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Mr.House wrote...

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It's whining and over speculation. I've been trying to tell people that they shouldn't get so mad about it.

No one is whining, all I see is rage, complaints and concenrs and your answer is Chud said it on twitter. That does not cut it.


Her boobs are bigger.

There is no speculation with that.

I am concerned about why though.

Is she pregnant?

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Wait, this is what the characters are going to look like... for reelz?

What did they do to Liara's face! It looks wrong... so very, very wrong.

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Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you want a screenshot you're gonna have to wait. The game is still 7 months away. Until then, chill.

So then get used to this until we are showen screenshots that show Ash in proper heavy armour.


You're gonna be complaining for 7 months. Have fun.

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Stop posting so fast, people, I'm still on page 40.

On the topic of Ashley, regardless of how "sexy" it looks, regardless of how much "better" it looks, she specifically stated that she would not wear that type of clothing (no, it isn't even armor.)
I have no problem with it on Miranda, or someone else already categorized as wearing such, but this is a...retcon. I said it.

See you guys when I get up there.

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Mr.House wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

It's whining and over speculation. I've been trying to tell people that they shouldn't get so mad about it.

No one is whining, all I see is rage, complaints and concenrs and your answer is Chud said it on twitter. That does not cut it.


In my opinion whining = complaining. I have also mentioned other things beside that tweet. Feel free to read the thread to see my other posts.

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Mr.House wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

It's whining and over speculation. I've been trying to tell people that they shouldn't get so mad about it.

No one is whining, all I see is rage, complaints and concenrs and your answer is Chud said it on twitter. That does not cut it.


Then this topic will just end up like all the other Ashley complaint threads.... LOCKED.

#1482
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-Skorpious- wrote...

Exactly. By offer a positive comment Bioware employees are more likely to continue reading a post than one that is nothing but constant bickering. Afterall, wouldn't you dismiss a review that was overly harsh without offering criticism? We don't have to worship their new design, but we shouldn't completely dismiss Bioware's original concept. 

Plus, I am not singling anybody out - this is directed at the forums in general. 

I don't consider what most of the people here are saying is harsh, if anything they should appreciate that we care enough about their game and their character to feel so strongly about this.

And we have offered criticism. This entire thread is filled to the brim. :wizard:

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Icinix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

It's whining and over speculation. I've been trying to tell people that they shouldn't get so mad about it.

No one is whining, all I see is rage, complaints and concenrs and your answer is Chud said it on twitter. That does not cut it.


Her boobs are bigger.

There is no speculation with that.

I am concerned about why though.

Is she pregnant?

Biowares new motto: Big boobies

#1484
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I've thought some more about concrete reasons why I think the outfit simply looks 'professional' and isn't necessarily intended to be overtly sexual.

The neckline, it doesn't go down far enough to be revealing of anything. It barely exposes any more than the exposed face everyone else has. Beyond that she's completely covered up. Hopefully if she's in an exposed environment she can close that up, of course.

The boob rack, well, it's a form fitting space outfit. Is that inherently sexualizing? Does it need to be flat and unremarkable like Anderson's suit to avoid being sexualizing? The female heavy armors in ME1 had pronounced "boob slots" as well, were those bad? I see it as attractive, sure, but not, you know, OMG HOT. More on that later.

The skirt could just as well be an extension of her shirt. There was art earlier in the thread that put Kaidan into a similar torso+skirt outfit, and I know that art was done in jest, but still, it didn't strike me as particularly sexual, nor does the concept on the whole, male or female. What is inherently sexual about it? They have skirts on the men and women in Dragon Age as well, and sometimes in DAO in combat you could see the woman hunched over in such a way that the opening of the skirt was right there in your face, but is that designed to evoke "Man, that was hot"? It just struck me as a kind of comical situation to find myself in, looking up the skirt of some angry woman with weapons in both hands.

The boots and high tech stockings just go with the rest of the outfit. I doubt it would work as well with combat boots. Form over function, yes, I'll get to that momentarily, but on the matter of it being sexualizing, the only way I see this being sexualizing is inasmuch as any formal suit with an emphasis on form is designed to be 'attractive.' But there's a difference between being designed to be attractive and being designed to be  sexualizing. There's a difference between a business suit that happens to be hot, and a stripper outfit. Everyone would like to be attractive, but sexualizing brings an element of exploitativeness into it. I feel pretty sure, in this case, that the look they're going for the former, 'attractive.'

Beyond that, like I said, she's (almost) completely covered up and she's got a few token hard armor pieces, and by my admittedly low standards regarding practicality in armor, I'm fine accepting that as a suit of light armor. Does light armor fit Ashley's character? It could. It depends on what her character is in ME3. We don't know yet. Now, does the fact that she chose a suit that emphasizes form over function fit Ashley's character?

I suppose it does not.

But I still don't see it as particularly sexualizing.

As far as her having an alternate "combat outfit" that is actual heavy armor, I'm all for that. Though, if this is an alternate outfit here, it seems unlikely that it won't be a combat outfit itself...

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you want a screenshot you're gonna have to wait. The game is still 7 months away. Until then, chill.

So then get used to this until we are showen screenshots that show Ash in proper heavy armour.


You're gonna be complaining for 7 months. Have fun.


You want to be a defeatist, that's your thing don't expect others who care and love this game to follow suit lol.... Have a nice nap!

#1486
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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you want a screenshot you're gonna have to wait. The game is still 7 months away. Until then, chill.

So then get used to this until we are showen screenshots that show Ash in proper heavy armour.


You're gonna be complaining for 7 months. Have fun.


And you'll be complaining about our complaining. I'd venture to say that we'll be having more fun than you, at least. :whistle:

#1487
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Siansonea II wrote...

I get the impression a lot of these kids thought Sucker Punch was "female empowerment".<_<


You mean it wasn't? :o That guy was all about respect for his charges and the things he had the girls doing was clearly preparation for being independent.  What are you talking about?  ;)

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with lip gloss ( just 15 ms points more, meow)


Because I totally said I supported this.

I'm just not that concerned about alternative outfits when they still have a good chunk of time to reveal the supposed "armor" that they said they would reveal.

If this is it, then I might care. And even if it is, I doubt it would be something that we could change this late in the game. Regardless, wake me up when that happens.

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Mesina2 wrote...

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James Vega is staring into your soul.


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If they reduced the size of his lips he would actually be pretty attractive. 

#1490
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The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

It's whining and over speculation. I've been trying to tell people that they shouldn't get so mad about it.

No one is whining, all I see is rage, complaints and concenrs and your answer is Chud said it on twitter. That does not cut it.


In my opinion whining = complaining. I have also mentioned other things beside that tweet. Feel free to read the thread to see my other posts.

If you think whining is complaining then you have a lot to learn in this world.

#1491
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Good lord Filament.. I expect more from you, really.

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-Skorpious- wrote...

 But by offering a positive comment Bioware employees are more likely to continue reading a post ...


In my experience they pay plenty of attention to mean-spirited posts.

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Filament wrote...


But I still don't see it as particularly sexualizing.


It doesn't need to show skin to be unfair. It's like in 1990 when female characters were always healers, witches, or archers. Let's make sure they are out of the way and in pretty things so they don't get hurt while looking cute wee! 

I thought we were over this stereotyping? 

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you want a screenshot you're gonna have to wait. The game is still 7 months away. Until then, chill.

So then get used to this until we are showen screenshots that show Ash in proper heavy armour.


You're gonna be complaining for 7 months. Have fun.


Complaining?  Or showing that we have room to give a sh*t?

#1495
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slimgrin wrote...

Good lord Filament.. I expect more from you, really.


I can't imagine you even read it in the amount of time it took you to respond.

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Eterna5 wrote...

If they reduced the size of his lips he would actually be pretty attractive. 

I find his lips the most attractive thing about him. His mouth is a little wide, but his lips look the most realistic of any of the humans we've seen, less like plastic-ey Sims lips.

If I could change one thing it would be his cro magnon brow.

#1497
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Siansonea II wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you want a screenshot you're gonna have to wait. The game is still 7 months away. Until then, chill.

So then get used to this until we are showen screenshots that show Ash in proper heavy armour.


You're gonna be complaining for 7 months. Have fun.


And you'll be complaining about our complaining. I'd venture to say that we'll be having more fun than you, at least. :whistle:


No see you guys made it clear you'll be complaining for the next 7 months. I didn't. And really this is fun for you?

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Filament wrote...

I've thought some more about concrete reasons why I think the outfit simply looks 'professional' and isn't necessarily intended to be overtly sexual.

The neckline, it doesn't go down far enough to be revealing of anything. It barely exposes any more than the exposed face everyone else has. Beyond that she's completely covered up. Hopefully if she's in an exposed environment she can close that up, of course.

The boob rack, well, it's a form fitting space outfit. Is that inherently sexualizing? Does it need to be flat and unremarkable like Anderson's suit to avoid being sexualizing? The female heavy armors in ME1 had pronounced "boob slots" as well, were those bad? I see it as attractive, sure, but not, you know, OMG HOT. More on that later.

The skirt could just as well be an extension of her shirt. There was art earlier in the thread that put Kaidan into a similar torso+skirt outfit, and I know that art was done in jest, but still, it didn't strike me as particularly sexual, nor does the concept on the whole, male or female. What is inherently sexual about it? They have skirts on the men and women in Dragon Age as well, and sometimes in DAO in combat you could see the woman hunched over in such a way that the opening of the skirt was right there in your face, but is that designed to evoke "Man, that was hot"? It just struck me as a kind of comical situation to find myself in, looking up the skirt of some angry woman with weapons in both hands.

The boots and high tech stockings just go with the rest of the outfit. I doubt it would work as well with combat boots. Form over function, yes, I'll get to that momentarily, but on the matter of it being sexualizing, the only way I see this being sexualizing is inasmuch as any formal suit with an emphasis on form is designed to be 'attractive.' But there's a difference between being designed to be attractive and being designed to be  sexualizing. There's a difference between a business suit that happens to be hot, and a stripper outfit. Everyone would like to be attractive, but sexualizing brings an element of exploitativeness into it. I feel pretty sure, in this case, that the look they're going for the former, 'attractive.'

Beyond that, like I said, she's (almost) completely covered up and she's got a few token hard armor pieces, and by my admittedly low standards regarding practicality in armor, I'm fine accepting that as a suit of light armor. Does light armor fit Ashley's character? It could. It depends on what her character is in ME3. We don't know yet. Now, does the fact that she chose a suit that emphasizes form over function fit Ashley's character?

I suppose it does not.

But I still don't see it as particularly sexualizing.

As far as her having an alternate "combat outfit" that is actual heavy armor, I'm all for that. Though, if this is an alternate outfit here, it seems unlikely that it won't be a combat outfit itself...


If Kaidan was wearing the exact same outfit, you would have a point. If Ashley hadn't previously disparaged exactly this type of clothing for COMBAT, you'd have a point. The sexualization is beside the point. If this was a long shapeless dress that covers her to the neck, it would STILL be a problem. Because this isn't Ashley, this isn't what she wears into COMBAT. Off duty, whatever. Ash might very well want to look pretty when she's on the ship or walking around someplace like the Citadel. But on a combat mission, Ash would be dressed to kill in a totally different way than she is shown here.

#1499
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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

If they reduced the size of his lips he would actually be pretty attractive. 

I find his lips the most attractive thing about him. His mouth is a little wide, but his lips look the most realistic of any of the humans we've seen, less like plastic-ey Sims lips.

If I could change one thing it would be his cro magnon brow.

And his horrible hair style.

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If they made Vega's face a little less puffy lifted his eyebrows a bit so he didn't look like "arrrgh me angry." he might look attractive.