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[darknoon5]

tomas2377 wrote...

Ashley's alt look is hopefully a bad joke from BW.

Where is her armor?

I want my ME1 Ash back.

See, I disagree with this.

For better or worse, Ashley's character will have changed and developed. It's ridiculous to want back "ME1 Ash."

That said, I dissaprove of the armour.

[Iakus]

hangmans tree wrote...

I think Ash is in her casual... its an invasion, when would she have the time to change into battle gear? And it isnt bad, its good. She has no heels per se but a platform. I'm fine with her looks really. but I expect her to wear a battlesuit in the thick of it all...

I'd like to believe that, however:

1) Why have an AAP for Ash's casual outfit when Kaidan, Vega, and Liara are all shown in in AAP armor?

2)  Why would the Ash in the lineup have an assault rifle in her hands while in a casual outfit?

Sadly, it's her "armor", a reskin of the blue outfit from the E3 demo.

[Finis Valorum]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

But who cares about being faithful to the character? Only idiots want consistency, right?
Also, nevermind the sheer hipocrisy/sexism of getting the female soldier in that getup and have the two guys in solid, thick armor.

sigh...

Consistency has already been screwed since Me2 so the only thing we can hope for is that the guys including MShep get a catsuit option too or that MShep at least gets something that doesn't require him to look like a thank while everyone else gets to go combat casual.

[Uzzy]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

...BASTILA your kidding me how was she in any way shape or form a strong character? you could be a complete **** to her and she would still fall heads over heels inlove with you plus thats a skin tight catsuit as well it just doesnt show a zipper down the front like ashley's does

hell i found mission to be a stronger character than she was =/

also "2" characters does not a strong line of females make

Other then the romance aspect, I found Bastila to be a pretty strong character. But perhaps you're right about Mission.


And Juhani.


Oh hey, three female characters in a game that aren't dressed up as sex objects. Impressive!

[Jimtp]

GodWood wrote...

Jimtp wrote...
ok ive posted this in another thread but since it was closed I'll post it here as well

I dont realy get whats the problem with hot women in ME people had this same problem with Mianda ,who by the way was on of the best chars of ME2.Ashley at last became presentable it's not like she shows a lot of skin or cleavage.

People want female characters to be dressed appropriately for combat like the male characters.

And my question for you is how was Ashley not 'presentable' in ME1?

Believe me when i say that the only reason the males wear the armor they do is because they look good in it.Women look better in more elegant clothes.Anyway didnt see many people complain ,for example, Tali's armor which i doubt would protect her from anything other than diseases.
Also in ME1 she looked like some racoon/human hybrid now she looks hot ,quite the improvement i would say.

[Cuddlezarro]

it would be damn creepy if mission was a sex object...shes 14 for crying out loud and KoTOR wasnt a jrpg which somehow gets away with that kind of stuff =/

also the whole "needing to be redeemed with the power of love/friendship" never sits well with me

and BTW I also find ashley's new outfit stupid and I dont even like her character its almost as bad as mirandas non DLC outfit and jacks...any outfit of hers really but then again it suits jacks character

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:32 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

iakus wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I think Ash is in her casual... its an invasion, when would she have the time to change into battle gear? And it isnt bad, its good. She has no heels per se but a platform. I'm fine with her looks really. but I expect her to wear a battlesuit in the thick of it all...

I'd like to believe that, however:

1) Why have an AAP for Ash's casual outfit when Kaidan, Vega, and Liara are all shown in in AAP armor?

2)  Why would the Ash in the lineup have an assault rifle in her hands while in a casual outfit?

Sadly, it's her "armor", a reskin of the blue outfit from the E3 demo.

I'd hate for Kaidan and/or Vega to be dressed up like that casually, especially when I'm trying to get them in the sack...

So no, that is not Ashley's "casual" wear.  It is definitely her normal armor.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:32 .

[tomas2377]

darknoon5 wrote...

tomas2377 wrote...

Ashley's alt look is hopefully a bad joke from BW.

Where is her armor?

I want my ME1 Ash back.

See, I disagree with this.

For better or worse, Ashley's character will have changed and developed. It's ridiculous to want back "ME1 Ash."

That said, I dissaprove of the armour.

Between Horizon (Ash in Phoenix armor) and ME3 are only a few month. Not enough time to change your entire character.

[Rovay]

I honestly think you people crying bloody vengeance over Ash's outfit should sit back and calm down. We still don't know if that's her only outfit/reskin, so perhaps we should wait and see, then freak out?

Or just take your torches and pitchforks, set course for Bioware HQ and be done with it if that's what you really want.

[Pedro Costa]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Bare chest? Where? What garters?

Good Sir, if you can't see the exposed skin below her neck, you should see a doctor.

Garters: See below the "shirt" and above the thigh-high boots. Even *IF* they aren't garters per-se, it's what they are meant to invoke.

And the thigh high boots aren't that bad.

Yes, they are. She said she wouldn't wear those.

And Casey Hudson said that we can give her armor.

I'll reserve judgement until I see said "armor".

Also good to see how the comment about her sticking out like a sore thumb compared to other "soldiers" (Kaidan and Vega) went right through.

Finis Valorum wrote...
Consistency has already been screwed since Me2 so the only thing we can hope for is that the guys including MShep get a catsuit option too or that MShep at least gets something that doesn't require him to look like a thank while everyone else gets to go combat casual.

Although it was ridiculous, the outfits at least made sense for the characters. Except Samara. And those breathers. Ash is just butchering her character.

Interesting coincidence: L'Etoile was involved with Ash in ME1 and ME2 - in both games she wore armor. He's no longer around for ME3 and what do we get? A pinup poster girl for the Alliance. I fear for what her personality is like now...

Jimtp wrote...

Also in ME1 she looked like some racoon/human hybrid now she looks hot ,quite the improvement i would say.

She was beautiful in ME1 - instead of a pinup she looked like an actual military woman. She was somewhat attractive, but tomboyish and practical above all. This just reinforces the notion that they touched up Ashley to appeal to those who never really cared for her to begin with leaving her previous fan's in the dirt.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Jimtp wrote...

Believe me when i say that the only reason the males wear the armor they do is because they look good in it.Women look better in more elegant clothes.Anyway didnt see many people complain ,for example, Tali's armor which i doubt would protect her from anything other than diseases.
Also in ME1 she looked like some racoon/human hybrid now she looks hot ,quite the improvement i would say.

Women can look good in armor. Case in point: Ashley in ME1, Femshep in ME1 and ME2.

I'm sure 'looking cool' has something to do with why the men are in armor. But they're still dressed more appropriately for the situation at hand than the women are. If armor is good enough for FemShep it should be good enough for Ashley, another practical soldier type.

[Pedro Costa]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I heard that it was 6-12 months after ME2.

I really begin to wonder just how much of a skilled troll you are.

[Candidate 88766]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I heard that it was 6-12 months after ME2.

I really begin to wonder just how much of a skilled troll you are.

He's right - a Bioware dev has outright said the start of ME3 is 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2. Why are calling this guy a troll?

[Rovay]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I heard that it was 6-12 months after ME2.

I really begin to wonder just how much of a skilled troll you are.

I think it's mostly true. From what I heard, ME3 is set 3-4 months after Arrival which is set about 1-2 months after SM. At least I think it's true.

[Welsh Inferno]

It IS 6-12 months after ME2. Fact. From Caseys mouth.

[Jimtp]

She was beautiful in ME1 - instead of a pinup she looked like an actual military woman. She was somewhat attractive, but tomboyish and practical above all. This just reinforces the notion that they touched up Ashley to appeal to those who never really cared for her to begin with leaving her previous fan's in the dirt.

Where is the "somewhat attractive"(i'm talking about her looks not her character) she was considerably below average in ME1

[Chuvvy]

[CroGamer002]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I heard that it was 6-12 months after ME2.

I really begin to wonder just how much of a skilled troll you are.

He's right - a Bioware dev has outright said the start of ME3 is 6 to 12 months after the end of ME2. Why are calling this guy a troll?

*sneaks in*

And 2 months after Arrival

*sneaks out*

[Xeranx]

Jimtp wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Jimtp wrote...
ok ive posted this in another thread but since it was closed I'll post it here as well

I dont realy get whats the problem with hot women in ME people had this same problem with Mianda ,who by the way was on of the best chars of ME2.Ashley at last became presentable it's not like she shows a lot of skin or cleavage.

People want female characters to be dressed appropriately for combat like the male characters.

And my question for you is how was Ashley not 'presentable' in ME1?

Believe me when i say that the only reason the males wear the armor they do is because they look good in it.Women look better in more elegant clothes.Anyway didnt see many people complain ,for example, Tali's armor which i doubt would protect her from anything other than diseases.
Also in ME1 she looked like some racoon/human hybrid now she looks hot ,quite the improvement i would say.

Honestly people need to look at the evidence.  Stop bringing Tali up to service your argument because it fails even before you type it.  Tali's defense came in her shielding.  Her experience with tech could improve her shielding so much that she was able to handle being shot at.  It's why I was able to take her places in ME as opposed to ME2 where her shields were crap and that made her a liability.

[Candidate 88766]

tomas2377 wrote...

Between Horizon (Ash in Phoenix armor) and ME3 are only a few month. Not enough time to change your entire character.

ME3 is 6-12 months after the end of ME2, Horizon took place before even that. Since then, Ash lost a significant number of colonists under her supervision, saw her old Commander back from the dead and got promoted to Spectre. Of course she will have changed. It'd be less realistic if she went through all of that and came out as exactly the same character.

A few more points I'd like to raise:

1. Shields do most of the work in combat as they deflect high-velocity impacts, and the main dangers on the battlefield are high-velocity impacts. Bullets, grenade shrapnel, directed energy weapons, all are protected against by the shields. As a soldier, Ash is more than capable of handling hand-tohand combat without the need of heavy armour.

2. As shown in the explanation of Miranda's outfit, material technology has advanced enough that even slim outfits can offer adequate protection in combat. But, as I said before, the shields do most of the work. Massive armour just isn't necessary. The lore describes bullet travel as insanely high, so no amount of metal or ceramic can offer anywhere near the protection that a shield will.

3. She is no longer just a soldier. A soldier is deployed to the front and does fighting. Nothing else. They need armour because they are essentially sentient bullet-sponges. As a Spectre, she will have a much wider variety of tasks than simply shooting and being shot at. Saying she should wear armour because she is a soldier is no longer true, she is something much more than a simple soldier.

4. It is NOT a skirt. It is like the Cerberus officer's outfit, or the ceremonial outfit worn by current US Marines. I'm sure they'd appreciate you telling them wearing a skirt. As beffitting someone now above the rank and file, Ash is wearing something more professional. She is no longer a frontline troop, she does not need hulking space marine armour. 

5. Seriously, its the tiniest hint of cleavage. Its not like she's wearing a bikini. If you think that a woman showing a hint of cleavage means she cannot be a strong woman then that is sexist, plain and simple.

6. People saying it'll attract the 'CoD crowd': firstly, the sterotype you trying to evoke is the sterotype us gamers have been trying to shrug off for years. You're not helping. Demonising gamers for liking a certain game is what society has been doing for years to people that play any game. Just when we are getting past this, gamers seem to turn on themselves. Its ridiculous. Secondly, realistic military armour is far more likely to attract this 'CoD crowd' you hate so much.

7. The one thing I will agree with is that when in a vacuum or a hostile atmosphere the characters should have proper breathing equipment and all skin covered and I really hope that is rectified in ME3.



Edit: I'm sorry if I sound angry or offensive. That is not my intent. Its just that having 60 pages discussing a hint of cleavage seems like something that would happen on the Fox News forums, not BSN.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 05 juillet 2011 - 02:01 .

[Fhaileas]

Jimtp wrote...

She was beautiful in ME1 - instead of a pinup she looked like an actual military woman. She was somewhat attractive, but tomboyish and practical above all. This just reinforces the notion that they touched up Ashley to appeal to those who never really cared for her to begin with leaving her previous fan's in the dirt.

Where is the "somewhat attractive"(i'm talking about her looks not her character) she was considerably below average in ME1

How pitiful! I feel sorry for little boys like you whose only recourse is to live out fantasised love lives vicariously via a virtual medium because attractive women find you utterly repugnant in real life. So sad... 

[Welsh Inferno]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
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What this guy said. 

Point #7 is really important though. If she wears this outfit and a breather mask in vacuum or on a hostile planet it will then annoy me.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 05 juillet 2011 - 02:07 .