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[Candidate 88766]

crimzontearz wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

the burden of "specifications" is obviously not on me

Bioware is the developer studio, Casey CHOSE to make his statement sybilline when he could have specified in detail (not that one needed much, just a couple of extra words) in a statement he made to clarify a situation. 

He has outright come out and said she will have armour in Mass Effect 3. Within that there wasn't even the vaguest hint that it would only be available some of the time. If ME1 and ME2 are any indication, the characters will wear the same outfit the entire time. There is no precident in Mass Effect for different squad outfits depending on the situation, and no hint of that in Casey's quote. So yes, the onus is on you to explain why you leapt to that conclusion.

read the quote please

"she will A-L-S-O have full armour and helmet" 

the operative word here is "also"

Also, Ash is seen wearing the "catsuit" uniform in the E3 demo, by your logic since they will wear only one outfit the entire time  she should have been seen wearing armor

So? Some of the original screenshots showed Shep escaping from Earth in his cerberus outfit, and that has already changed. Is it not so hard to believe that they simply hadn't designed her armour by ME3? Or that she wasn't wearing it as they weren't expecting a sudden invasion by massive sentient warships?

The also implies the player has the choice. Not that Bioware will decide the outfit for you depending on the mission. It just seems like you've taken a massive leap without thinking about any alternative reasons. We've already been told she will have armour, is that not enough to placate you even for a little bit?

If she could only have armour for certain missions, for which there is no precident in Mass Effect so far, don't you think Casey would have said 'she will also sometimes have armour' instead of 'she will also have armour'?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 05 juillet 2011 - 06:09 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...
Yeah sure, and when they do release the pictures people will complain when it isn't exactly like the Mass Effect 1 armor. From what I've seen on this forum a lot of the fans also follow a pretty infuriating tendancy. That is to say a lot of you are quick to the gun and slow to take time and think about things. Most of you are reactionary and so quick to dismiss things that don't suit you.

Can we skip the generalizations please? Thank you.

I'm taking all Bioware statements with a grain of salt because there were lots of precedents of them being far from reality.

I will cut out the generalizations when you do. There are also plenty of precedents for them being completely accurate. It's easy to call one side out on generalizing, but the fact is both sides do it. You can't sit here and pretend that you saying a statement may not be true isn't a generalization. 

[shepskisaac]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Bioware, NOW DO YOU SEE THE FANBASE REACTION? WE. DON'T. LIKE. ASHLANDA.

You've ruined a good, unique character to cater the game to the "hurr durr I love boobies (casual gaming)" audience. I thought you better than that.

Honestly, I'm having second thoughts about my collector's edition preorder.

[Terastar]

First of all I want to Thank BioWare for allowing me to be able to play a Female Commander Shepard. When I picked up the game I had no idea that it would be possible to play a female.
Things I liked about her was her armor. I liked the way it formed to her breasts and hips and yes it is wise for this to be in the armor. If you have rather big boobs then the support is most welcoming. I have had no problem with her armor. I really LOVED when in Mass Effect 2 I could customize her armor. That was really cool. My only complaint was the lack of a toggle switch and/or collapsible helmets. Safety first if in bad environments she needs a helmet if not then I want to see her face that I spent time on customizing.Plus not to mention all of the in game photos of your character. I would love for this to be a must have for all players. On my wish list is for Shepard and her crew to have a nice going-to-town outfits (like her black dress) IF there will be a place where she could wear something like that. Shepard and crew should have some nice in ship outfits to wear like the ones in Mass Effect and/or Mass Effect2. Maybe Shepard and crew could have some dress Blues?
James Vega I would like to look better. Especially if he is a romance option.
If not then I would like for a clone female version (Think Ugly Betty) to be on board for Male Shepard players and James for Female. Remember turn about is fair play. If females has to have ugly eye candy then so should male players IMHO.

[Massadonious1]

crimzontearz wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
your Dev Quote says that she will "also" have armor and helmet, for all you know it will be only in certain missions when she has to have a hardsuit for plot purposes and not all the time

Or, it could work exactly how it worked for both her and Kaidan/Shep in ME1 and Shep in ME2.

Nah, that's too unbelievable.

uhm....given what we saw in ME2 and the lack of details given to us so far everything points to a big fat "no"

What I saw in ME2 was Shep changing into casual clothes when he wasn't on a mission and only using his breather helmet when he was in a vaccum/hostile environment, like the Flotilla.

And from the "lack of details" regarding Ashley, she was hanging out on the deck of the Normandy after rushing to Shep's defense. She clearly should of stopped to play simon says with an armor locker instead of helping her boyfriend/commander, which begs the question why Joker and the Cerberus crew didn't do the same thing when the Collectors attacked. Priorites and all that.

And she likely wouldn't need to anyway because I'm pretty sure she can breathe Earth's atmosphere, being human and everything associated with it. Unless she's alternate dimension Ashley and the air is toxic to her, in which case, I will totally take the proper umbrage right beside you.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 05 juillet 2011 - 06:17 .

[crimzontearz]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

the burden of "specifications" is obviously not on me

Bioware is the developer studio, Casey CHOSE to make his statement sybilline when he could have specified in detail (not that one needed much, just a couple of extra words) in a statement he made to clarify a situation. 

He has outright come out and said she will have armour in Mass Effect 3. Within that there wasn't even the vaguest hint that it would only be available some of the time. If ME1 and ME2 are any indication, the characters will wear the same outfit the entire time. There is no precident in Mass Effect for different squad outfits depending on the situation, and no hint of that in Casey's quote. So yes, the onus is on you to explain why you leapt to that conclusion.

read the quote please

"she will A-L-S-O have full armour and helmet" 

the operative word here is "also"

Also, Ash is seen wearing the "catsuit" uniform in the E3 demo, by your logic since they will wear only one outfit the entire time  she should have been seen wearing armor

So? Some of the original screenshots showed Shep escaping from Earth in his cerberus outfit, and that has already changed. Is it not so hard to believe that they simply hadn't designed her armour by ME3? Or that she wasn't wearing it as they weren't expecting a sudden invasion by massive sentient warships?

The also implies the player has the choice. Not that Bioware will decide the outfit for you depending on the mission. It just seems like you've taken a massive leap without thinking about any alternative reasons. We've already been told she will have armour, is that not enough to placate you even for a little bit?

If she could only have armour for certain missions, for which there is no precident in Mass Effect so far, don't you think Casey would have said 'she will also sometimes have armour' instead of 'she will also have armour'?

quite simply because specifying that her "catsuit" is the more common outfit would enflame the community even more

hence why the statement was made in a sybilline way otherwise just a couple more words would have clarified everything about the situation

[Aimi]

crimzontearz wrote...

quite simply because specifying that her "catsuit" is the more common outfit would enflame the community even more

hence why the statement was made in a sybilline way otherwise just a couple more words would have clarified everything about the situation

Ah, the delusion of self-importance.

[crimzontearz]

Massadonious1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
your Dev Quote says that she will "also" have armor and helmet, for all you know it will be only in certain missions when she has to have a hardsuit for plot purposes and not all the time

Or, it could work exactly how it worked for both her and Kaidan/Shep in ME1 and Shep in ME2.

Nah, that's too unbelievable.

uhm....given what we saw in ME2 and the lack of details given to us so far everything points to a big fat "no"

What I saw in ME2 was Shep changing into casual clothes when he wasn't on a mission and only using his breather helmet when he was in a vaccum/hostile environment, like the Flotilla.

And from the "lack of details" regarding Ashley, she was hanging out on the deck of the Normandy after rushing to Shep's defense. She clearly should of stopped to play simon says with an armor locker instead of helping her boyfriend/commander, which begs the question why Joker and the Cerberus crew didn't do the same thing when the Collectors attacked. Priorites and all that.

And she likely wouldn't need to anyway because I'm pretty sure she can breathe Earth's atmosphere, being human and everything associated with it. Unless she's alternate dimension Ashley and the air is toxic to her, in which case, I will totally take the proper umbrage right beside you.

In ME2 I saw all characters but Shepard remain in armor while on the normandy, I see no reason why ME3 will be any different. You can kick up aaaaaaaaaaaall the cirumstantial evidence you like but ultimately until Casey says otherwise directly and without sybilline statements OR until we see a gameplay demo in which we can equip her with armor and helmet prior to a mission or whatever then I will remain skeptical

[crimzontearz]

daqs wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

quite simply because specifying that her "catsuit" is the more common outfit would enflame the community even more

hence why the statement was made in a sybilline way otherwise just a couple more words would have clarified everything about the situation

Ah, the delusion of self-importance.

no, mere logic

if your ultimate end  is to confirm to your obviously upset fans that, yes, Ashley will be happily wearing her heavy armor through the game then, you would make sure that your public statement on the matter confirms such a thing without leaving room for interpretation  which would keep the fans locked in a long verbal sparring and speculating over every word. There is no reason to be sybilline in such a case AND upon realizing that such "confirmation" was not though enough just a few more words would have cleared any doubt. The only reason to be vague is if one wants to conceal something.....

say it with me...

Press "what can you say about DA2's new combat system"
Bioware PR "Well, we wanted you to think like a general and fight like a spartan....and when you press a button something awesome happens!"


it is not a matter of importance but about the purpose of a statement 

[Ahglock]

I think all 4 of them looked bad. It just was bad design IMO. I'm not going into the she didn't have armor thing even, vega looked like a weird freak, the style of kaidens armor sucked etc. And the guns, those are guns we had in ME2 but with a N7 logo slapped on them, I hope that isn't final. Ah well this thing exploded into 75 pages in a day so I am sure I missed a ton of comments.

[Burdokva]

crimzontearz wrote...

hey Bioware, just our of masochistic curiosity...what was wrong with something like this??



was it so impossible/unfeasable/unconceivable in your mind to go for something that actually LOOKED like a Marine?

Not really a fan of the Halo series, but that's a fantastic representation of a futuristic female soldier - without any oversexualization or compromises with the military outlook. Thumbs up. My respect for Bungie's art department has increased.

[Warlock Adam]

Jeezus, everyone is so damn needy...

[crimzontearz]

thank you burdokva

I honestly do not understand what was so hard about this anyway

[axl99]

Eh. That Halo concept doesnt' look very practical in the sense it doesn't allow for a lot of movement. Sure it's bulky, but it's got to be awkward to have an extra set of funbags hanging around at her waist. Awkward for the riggers and animators to boot too.

[CajNatalie]

Seeing that Casey tweet adds some re-assurance.
Now all I need to do is see Ash in said armor, and have it confirmed that it's not going to be for like one portion of the game with her but instead you can have her wear it regularly in combat, I will be happy. :3
I'll remain patient until then. I would hope the other advocates of 'properly armored squaddies' don't do any further unnnecessary railing down BW's throats.

Hell, you know what, I've got no problem seeing something that fits nice to her form while also having heavy plates. You know, like just about every armor in ME1 (male or female).
Just as long as the plates are thick and in all the right places.
...of course, if BW does not deliver. Then I expect a massive political ****storm on BSN, lol. I'd be inclined to participate.

And as I've said before, and feel the need to say again because of some people still crying OH NOEZ BOOBIES!
I have no problem that she actually has her own cup size now, unlike the people who are freaking out that she's had a lolboobjob... it's called switching from a generic model where every damn woman has the same Bs to a unique physique. They're not lolmelons, so I see nothing wrong with that... each major character having their own physique right down to every single bevel the character modellers tweak (no matter where those bevels are) is a good thing.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 05 juillet 2011 - 07:12 .

[SiFyQueen]

They could have changed the colour of Liara's outfit - it's too similar to Samara's I think it would look better in black or blue...but still, it's awesome

[MillaShepard]

CajNatalie wrote...
And as I've said before, and feel the need to say again because of some people crying OH NOEZ BOOBIES!
I have no problem that she actually has her own cup size now, unlike the people who are freaking out that she's had a lolboobjob... it's called switching from a generic model where every damn woman has the same Bs to a unique physique. They're not lolmelons, so I see nothing wrong with that... each major character having their own physique right down to every single bevel the character modellers tweak (no matter where those bevels are) is a good thing.

I agree with this...  The main characters of ME.. (specifically the woman for the sake of this argument) are in top physical condition.  I don't mind that they show some curves and what not.  It's not MORE practical to have armor that's so bulky they can barely move either.  I really take no offense in the way their bodies look or are portrayed in most cases.  

[Candidate 88766]

crimzontearz wrote...

quite simply because specifying that her "catsuit" is the more common outfit would enflame the community even more

hence why the statement was made in a sybilline way otherwise just a couple more words would have clarified everything about the situation

1st: It isn't a catsuit, it is a jacket. It is akin to a current military uniform. If you really want to tell these people that they are wearing catsuits then be my guest.

2nd: Given the ridiculous reaction of the community to this already, do you really think Casey would say something that would incite even more anger later? Saying she has the option for armour when really it is only available sometimes would lead to even more fan rage and he knows this, so if that was the case he'd say it now.

3rd: Did you mean 'sibylline'? In what way was what Casey said mysterious or prophetic? He outright said Ash has the option of armour. There's no hidden meaning there, nothing mysterious about it, it just means she has the option for armour. It is a simple declarative statement - Ash will have armour in ME3. I don't see why there is any confusion or need for clarification here.

[ODST 5723]

There's something there if you dig hard enough into a short statement and start inferring or fearing that it's inferring something because you don't take it at face value.

[Candidate 88766]

ODST 5723 wrote...

There's something there if you dig hard enough into a short statement and start inferring or fearing that it's inferring something because you don't take it at face value.

Exactly. The arguments have pretty much decended into 'well Casey might be lying' in which case there is nothing that can be said that they will believe as even screenshots can show things that will get cancelled before release. 

[Thessair]

My thoughts:

Kaidan - Looks pretty cool, it almost makes me wish he'd survived any of my ME1 play-throughs.

Vega - Ugh. He looks like a giant, football worshipping frat boy.

Liara - Her head looks awfully small for her body and the Samara-clone design seems baffling to me.

Ashley - I'm not all worked up about her outfit, though it looks like she's taking fashion advice from LOKI mechs and DA2 Isabela.

Granted some of these have been expressed before, but I figured I'd jump into the bubbling cauldron.

Still, it's nice to see game art and I'll still be buying the heck out of the CE. Good or bad, the alternate costumes help break up multiple play-throughs and I'm happy to see them. So, in short, please keep making more stuff for me to spend money on. Thanks.

Modifié par Thessair, 05 juillet 2011 - 08:06 .