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[Macropodmum]

megski wrote...

Haha, I think I was distraught my first time through the gallows.  We tried playing fable 3 together.  We got married in the game, he made me live in a caravan then sold it while our baby was in it.  i divorced him haha.  

Lol, I would have too

[megski]

Rifneno wrote...
People blame Orsino for too much. Yes, he didn't report Quentin once he found out what a lunatic he was. A lot of people wouldn't have. He said he didn't do it because he knew Meredith would use it as an excuse to bring the hammer down on the Circle. And he was right. That parasite was looking for any excuse she could to further her abuse and even flat out murder them all; if things didn't eventually blow up (no pun intended) anyway it's quite possible that Orsino would've actually *saved* a great many lives by letting Quentin go. Likewise, people say he was to blame for not letting Meredith search the mage's quarters unchecked. I say they're not taking a look at the whole picture. Karl was made tranquil for writing a letter saying "this place sucks." Samson was kicked out of the templars and left to die a slow, cruel death of lyrium withdrawal because he was delivering a letter from a mage to his old sweetheart on the outside. It's a shame the templars don't bring the hammer down on, say, rape like they do on postal service. But see, that kind of thing is why Orsino objected. People are worse than killed for the minorest offenses. He'd be betraying the mages in his care if he didn't at least argue against the search.

I never blamed Orsino for not allowing Mere to search the circle.  Why should he have rolled over for her then?  The stuffs had hit the fan by that point.  

I don't think your hatred for her is fair either.  Meredith was scared.  She KNEW something was going on in Kirkwall that shouldn't be, Sebastian's family friend, Quentin.  Her job was to protect Kirkwall from the mages if need be.  She was just looking in all the wrong places and going about it all the wrong way.  Not to mention as time went on she was infact losing her mind. Maybe if Mr. O would have fessed up about Quentin, she could have set her sights on a mage that really did need to be destroyed.   Maybe he would have gained credibility with her.  Wasn't it also found out that she had nothing to do with that crazy templar making people tranquil?  I also remember her saying, "It breaks my heart to do it."  I think that was the real Meredith, sincere and trying to do the right thing.  However, she was far too gone to retain that sanity. Maybe uncorrupted Meredith was afraid that if she didn't take drastic measures that the streets of Kirkwall would fill up with abominations...and that happened.  Why?  Well that is strictly up to each character's individual view point.  Just like all this is my view point and my speculation as to how and why.  I still don't think its fair to villify her completely.  She made mistakes that tainted her, just like every one else.   

[Ryzaki]

I'm complaining about being judged...alright. /shrugs 
That said there's no need for me to defend my choice you're right. I know it's not evil, others are aware of that. There's no need for me to prove it to anyone else. 

God I can't wait for that add on to be finished.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 12:18 .

[GodWood]

Rifneno wrote...
Right and wrong don't vary from person to person. Perception of right and wrong varies. Massive difference. Right and wrong is not an opinion, it's a fact.

We are talking morals yes?
Because there's the source of your problem right there.
You believe that there is an objective 'morally right' and an objective 'morally wrong'.

Others (such as myself) do not.

[Xewaka]

I thought the moral of the storyline was "Sh*t happens and most of the time you can't do anything to help it."
Oh, and I chose going with the Templars. It was a measured movement to contain the population from striking mob-like against what they perceived as the cause (the Circle Tower) while allowing my clout as Champion to keep the Templars in check and avoid an even bigger slaughter.
Plus, I got the Viscount hat out of the deal.

Modifié par Xewaka, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:04 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Rifneno wrote...

Right and wrong don't vary from person to person. Perception of right and wrong varies. Massive difference. Right and wrong is not an opinion, it's a fact.

I see we have a moral realist in our midst.

Your position requires an untenable standard of evidence.

[Rifneno]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Right and wrong don't vary from person to person. Perception of right and wrong varies. Massive difference. Right and wrong is not an opinion, it's a fact.

I see we have a moral realist in our midst.

Your position requires an untenable standard of evidence.

Which has nothing to do with whether it's true or not.

[BurstAngel75]

"The world is in black and white (wrong and right), its our reaction that makes the world grey (excuses)."

I think the problem with Orsino is pretty much wrapped up with what he said before he became the Harvester. I don't remember the exact quote, but if I remember correctly, he saw how things would not end even if they win against Merrideth. He wasn't commeting on the fight, he was commenting on the revolution that Anders forced upon the mages and the futility of that fight. With the beginnings of the mage revolution starting before his very eyes, he gave up and lashed out at everyone.

[Macropodmum]

Xewaka wrote...

Plus, I got the Viscount hat out of the deal.

I honestly cannot see the point of that when you still run away anyways...

[DRTJR]

I get the feeling that Bioware was Blugening the Mages are EVIL! club

[CrimsonZephyr]

DRTJR wrote...

I get the feeling that Bioware was Blugening the Mages are EVIL! club

Absolutely. Instead of showing mages to be varied people, most mages end up getting hit with the evil stick moments after you meet them.

[Vit246]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

I get the feeling that Bioware was Blugening the Mages are EVIL! club

Absolutely. Instead of showing mages to be varied people, most mages end up getting hit with the evil stick moments after you meet them.

Bioware itself admitted that it protrayed mages in a "skewed" way. There's supposed to be a quote on that.

[CrimsonZephyr]

That sort of undermines their statement that the sides are equally grey when they go out of their way to make mages look like frothing lunatics and Templars just average guys doing their jobs. In every situation, it is a vengeful mage ruining what a sympathetic Templar tries to get right. Fenris is always proven right, Anders is always proven wrong, Grace is a murderer, Thrask is a reasonable guy, etc. Every Circle figure is secretly colluding with blood mages, every Templar  aside from Meredith, Alrik, and that guy with the mutton chops was just protecting the innocent. The game only pays lip service to the idea that the majority of mages, are sympathetic figures. The game even rewards you with the Viscount's seat if you side with the Templars and punishes you with exile if you side with the mages. I mean, seriously, what the hell?

Also, the "mages are chaotic evil" angle would work well if the game never teased the player with the possibility, or even the fact that this wasn't the case. How many times does Hawke have to say "Not all mages are like that" or "You can't judge all mages by the actions of a few" only for Fenris to make a smug or jerkass-ish comment about evil mages after you've fought your way through a crowd of twenty of them? If evil mages represent a minority, show, don't tell! How many times does Anders have to protest against the flaws of the Templars only to be proven wrong? The game simply didn't show what it was trying to tell.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 11 juillet 2011 - 01:43 .

[DRTJR]

People feel sympathetic to the mages naturally, they can't chose their fate except for Enchater, Tranquil or Apostate. That's why I think Mage hawke and Merrill booked it to Tevinter after the Knight comander was slain, In tevinter being a mage or not matters not.

[CrimsonZephyr]

DRTJR wrote...

People feel sympathetic to the mages naturally, they can't chose their fate except for Enchater, Tranquil or Apostate. That's why I think Mage hawke and Merrill booked it to Tevinter after the Knight comander was slain, In tevinter being a mage or not matters not.

Merrill is a.) an elf; and b.) far too nice for Tevinter. Plus, apparently mages can get enslaved just as easily.

And if people feel sympathetic to mages, so what? A black and white story told well is still far better than a grey story told poorly.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 11 juillet 2011 - 01:46 .