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[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote..
You just described what Cerberus did with the Alliance and Normandy.. The Alliance owns the designs and design rights, Cerberus stole them and illegally built the SR2.. The Alliance having rightful and legal claim to the SR2 claims it from TIM.. the end

They stole the designs. Not the actual ship. They do not have rightful and legal claims to the SR2 anymore than the turians have rightful and legal claim to the Normandy's Thannix Cannon. 

Nevertheless, it's an enemy vessel, it's confiscated. They're not going to just park it next to a mass relay with a note on it saying "Here's your ship, Illusive Man, Love, The Alliance XOXOXOXO" Nope. The Alliance slaps a new logo on it, and it's ready for action.

[Lord Coake]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Thugcry01 wrote...

It's Shepard's ship. I think that alone supersedes Kaidans rank. Shep's boat, Shep's in charge.

Nope. Property of the Alliance. Seized Cerberus ship is now an Alliance asset. Shepard never owned it anyway. If the Illusive Man wants his ship back, he can try and take it. Shepard is a disgraced rogue agent, which is sad, because before he faked his death to join Cerberus, he was a bonafide war hero. It's a shame, it really is.

 

You can't steal something and then say it's yours and expect people to respect that. Especially if the person you stole it from isn't dead. 

You just described what Cerberus did with the Alliance and Normandy.. The Alliance owns the designs and design rights, Cerberus stole them and illegally built the SR2.. The Alliance having rightful and legal claim to the SR2 claims it from TIM.. the end

And fialing that, the SR2 is a prize of war seized from an openly hostile terrorist organization.  So, the Navy takes it apart, learns what makes it tick, then puts it back together and presses it into service under the Alliance banner.  Pretty simple.

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
Nevertheless, it's an enemy vessel, it's confiscated. They're not going to just park it next to a mass relay with a note on it saying "Here's your ship, Illusive Man, Love, The Alliance XOXOXOXO" Nope. The Alliance slaps a new logo on it, and it's ready for action.

 

Yeah true. That doesn't make it rightfully theres anymore than a stolen american tank belongs to whoever stole it. You stole it. Plain and simple. Tweaking the actual ship (not blueprints like Cerberus did) means you just threw your crap in it. If someone steals your car and throws some new rims and speakers on it it's still the original owners' car. The thief just put their crap in it. 

My Shep'll steal it back but it's certainly not rightfully theres. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:21 .

[Augustei]

Ryzaki wrote...

 

Siansonea II wrote...
*passes response to Alliance High Command*

Dear Sir or Madam,

We have reviewed your claim on behalf of The Illusive Man. Please advise Illusive Man that his is a rogue organization, and the Alliance will confiscate any and all ships bearing Cerberus registry as they are found. Please forward the following message through Cerberus channels directly to the Illusive Man, if you would:

Hey Timmy. Yeah you. If Cerberus wants to tangle with the Alliance, we're more than happy to dance. We've got your precious "Normandy 2", (which was built using stolen Alliance technology, by the way), and you're not getting it back. We've also got our naughty boy Shepard in lockup, as well as Moreau, Chakwas, Chambers, Daniels, Taylor and all the other folks you managed to lure away from the Alliance with your blood money. So, smoke 'em if you've got 'em Illusive Man, because the Alliance takes the assassination of our admirals seriously. We take the torture of our corporals seriously. And you, Illusive Man, have bitten off more than you can chew. Once you're done kissing the Normandy 2 goodbye, you might want to kiss your ass goodbye next. Cheers!

Sincerely,
Admiral Hackett

 

Right. And the second Shepard is on that ship he'll liberate it from the alliance.  And Shep's not on lockup by the time he gets back to the ship. Shep's not staying in lockup for very long. Especially not allied with Cerberus. 

Also with the amount of Cerberus spies in the alliance the thought that they can't get the ship back is laughable.  

But still if Kaidan wants to deal with the Reapers on his own my Shep welcomes him to it.He'll go to a nice tropical abandoned planet and have some drinks. 

Its not said that the new crew is the same as the one from ME1.. So they will most likely see it as mutiny and seize him and lock him in the brig. In ME1 when the different crew followed him he was disobeying the council.. Now he is disobeying the Alliance with an Alliance crew on board in said scenario

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:49 .

[Ryzaki]

XxDeonxX wrote...
Its not said that the new crew is the same as the one from ME1.. So they will most likely see it as mutiny and seize him and lock him in the bridge.

 

Yeah I'd love to see how that turns out for them. 

Not to mention both EDI and Joker are on the ship. (The two with the most power over said ship). Shep being locked in the brig isn't likely. Shep staying in the brig is even more unlikely. 

That said if Kaidan wants to save the Earth on his own my Shep has no problem finding a little isolated planet and staying there. Maybe find some airheaded but cute girl to go with him. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Nevertheless, it's an enemy vessel, it's confiscated. They're not going to just park it next to a mass relay with a note on it saying "Here's your ship, Illusive Man, Love, The Alliance XOXOXOXO" Nope. The Alliance slaps a new logo on it, and it's ready for action.

 

Yeah true. That doesn't make it rightfully theres anymore than a stolen american tank belongs to whoever stole it. You stole it. Plain and simple. Tweaking the actual ship (not blueprints like Cerberus did) means you just threw your crap in it. If someone steals your car and throws some new rims and speakers on it it's still the original owners' car. The thief just put their crap in it. 

My Shep'll steal it back but it's certainly not rightfully theres. 

Well, I'm sure "rightfully" means different things to different people in this instance. Samara would probably posit that neither of them should have the ship. But the Alliance is in the business of promoting the Alliance, and they won't have any qualms about repurposing Cerberus' shiny new toy.

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...
Well, I'm sure "rightfully" means different things to different people in this instance. Samara would probably posit that neither of them should have the ship. But the Alliance is in the business of promoting the Alliance, and they won't have any qualms about repurposing Cerberus' shiny new toy.

 

I'm pretty sure Samara would see it as Cerberus' vessel. Good or bad they did make the thing. Even if the blueprints were stolen. 

Oh I never said they would. Just like they don't have any qualms about repurposing Shepard. 

I really hope my Shep can make them crumble. 

[Augustei]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Hmmm, I think even Dead Kaidan outranks Prisoner Shepard, the former Alliance hero turned Cerberus lackey.

Except that Shep hasn't been stripped of rank and isn't in prison.  And since he was acting as a spectre outside of both Citadel and thus Alliance jurisdiction there is nothing he can be charged of.

Yeah, Hackett and Anderson seem willing to play ball with Shepard, but I wonder, will Mikhailovich? Will the other admirals? How many of them were good friends with Kahoku? How many of them are going to just shrug their shoulders because Shepard decided to sleep with the enemy for two years?

Anderson by nature of his position holds more power than any single alliance member period.  Furthermore, I wasn't aware being a dead and rotting piece of salami on a medical table for 2 years constituted treason.  The events that happened afterward were sanctioned by Representative Anderson, the highest appointed human in counsel space.  But I'm sure that won't stop you from spamming shep hate on every thread you seem to enter.  Why do you play a character you role play hate so much?

Anderson isn't councillor in all playthroughs, plus come ME3 he isn't a councillor at all.. He is an Admiral (Not mentioned whether its Rear Admiral or Admiral of the fleet however) But the strongest human fleet is the 5th fleet anyway which belongs to Hackett.. Neither of these people hold the most power though, Udina does because if Anderson is councillor he steps down and Udina takes his place. this happens well before ME3 in fact during the novel which I cant remember the name of atm.. but during Shepards trial Anderson wont be a councillor

I cant see Udina putting in a good word or standing up for shepard after the numerous Millitary and Political ****storms he has cooked up.

Come ME3 Arcturus will be completely destroyed so the 5th fleet stationed there, along with Hackett could possibly be dead.. Shepard will have 1 admiral standing up for him.. The Guy was working for a terrorist organisation and sure he had the Human Councillor stand up for him.. but then he went and blew up a batarian system and caused the beginnings of a war. So idk.. the Alliance will be having their doubts.

Plus the political sovereignty over their millitary must be taken into consideration, the guy is was working for cerberus and then commited high end crimes.. The word of one Admiral wont be to great.

Luckily however since Arcturus will be blown away most of the politicians wont be around to judge shepard.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[Kathleen321]

Oh Mass Effect politics....

[Augustei]

Ryzaki wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
Its not said that the new crew is the same as the one from ME1.. So they will most likely see it as mutiny and seize him and lock him in the bridge.

 

Yeah I'd love to see how that turns out for them. 

Not to mention both EDI and Joker are on the ship. (The two with the most power over said ship). Shep being locked in the brig isn't likely. Shep staying in the brig is even more unlikely. 

That said if Kaidan wants to save the Earth on his own my Shep has no problem finding a little isolated planet and staying there. Maybe find some airheaded but cute girl to go with him. 

They claimed the normandy, took it apart and put it back togeather. You think they wont put blocks on the AI and give it a killswitch? So that rules out EDI.. as for Joker the guy with the glass bones.. He isn't the only pilot they have

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:50 .

[Ryzaki]

XxDeonxX wrote...
They claimed the normandy, took it apart and put it back togeather? You think they wont put blocks on the AI and give it a killswitch? So that rules out EDI.. as for Joker the guy with the glass bones.. He isn't the only pilot they have

 

You really think they put blocks on EDI after testing the normandy and seeing how much better it preformed with her unshackled? And you think Shepard/Joker can't undo said shackles? These are the genius who lead to the incident on Luna remember. (The alliance not Shepard). 

Joker is the best you can get. Taking him out and replacing him with someone else would be shooting themselves in the foot. 

Either way Shepard's not staying trapped and helpless on the brig. Even if he/she can't take over the ship he/she will manage to escape when the ship docks. Unless they're gonna keep Shep in cryo the whole time which is completely pointless. 

They'd end up wasting god knows how much manpower just keeping Shepard locked up. And they better not have any of the grunts start talking to Shepard or that silver tongue will get them a traitor right quick. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:54 .

[Augustei]

Ryzaki wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...
They claimed the normandy, took it apart and put it back togeather? You think they wont put blocks on the AI and give it a killswitch? So that rules out EDI.. as for Joker the guy with the glass bones.. He isn't the only pilot they have

 

You really think they put blocks on EDI after testing the normandy and seeing how much better it preformed with her unshackled? And you think Shepard/Joker can't undo said shackles? These are the genius who lead to the incident on Luna remember. (The alliance not Shepard). 

Joker is the best you can get. Taking him out and replacing him with someone else would be shooting themselves in the foot. 

Either way Shepard's not staying trapped and helpless on the brig. Even if he/she can't take over the ship he/she will manage to escape when the ship docks. Unless they're gonna keep Shep in cryo the whole time which is completely pointless. 

They'd end up wasting god knows how much manpower just keeping Shepard locked up. And they better not have any of the grunts start talking to Shepard or that silver tongue will get them a traitor right quick. 

EDI doesn't perform any better unshackled then she does shackled really, I mean there is no noticeable difference in ME2.. And yes it kind of makes perfect sense to shackle the AI of the known terrorist group who kidnapped and killed one of their Rear Admirals, got their Akuze unit killed and caused them a whole heap of trouble.. Also getting rid of the guy loyal to shepard the guy known to work for a terrorist organisation and being court marshalled for wiping out an entire system? Yeah they really would be shooting themselves in the foot getting rid of him....

[Destroy Raiden_]

If Kaiden did get a promotion he better remember whose ship he's on and that the only reason he got a promotion was because I died and therefore wasn't able to accept mine and if he does get out of line I'm going to show him what the chain of command is or he's going to have a solo tour of the airlock depending on how far he pushes me.

[Ryzaki]

XxDeonxX wrote...
EDI doesn't perform any better unshackled then she does shackled really, I mean there is no noticeable difference in ME2.. And yes it kind of makes perfect sense to shackle the AI of the known terrorist group who kidnapped and killed one of their Rear Admirals, got their Akuze unit killed and caused them a whole heap of trouble.. Also getting rid of the guy loyal to shepard the guy known to work for a terrorist organisation and being court marshalled for wiping out an entire system? Yeah they really would be shooting themselves in the foot getting rid of him....

 

Did you bother talking to EDI after she was unshackled? Do so and come back. Her being unshackled allows her to do all the missing crewmembers functions while still being top preformance for battle. 

And nope it doesn't make perfect sense to shackle the AI of the known terrorist group who had a yearor more of field testing and has saved several people on that ships lives. Especially not when said ship has a loyalty to Shepard instead of TIM. That said if she's shackled she can be unshackled. 

And I'm not on the "alliance vs Cerberus" boat. To me the alliance supportered Cerberus on some level. That is where Cerberus originated. Just how many of their experiments were given under alliance good will? 

When said person is one of the best if not the best helmsmen in the alliance fleet? Yeah that's shooting themselves in the foot. That said they can go ahead and do that. It is a wise decision if they're worried about Shepard more than the Reapers. They'd probably dump Shepard off at the nearest port as well. My Shep really doesn't care if they fly themelves into the sun. He'll just look for a nice abandoned planet and live his life in peace.  That or go to Omega and start doing the shuffle in AfterLife until the Reapers come.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 06:26 .

[Pax of Doom]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

If Kaiden did get a promotion he better remember whose ship he's on and that the only reason he got a promotion was because I died and therefore wasn't able to accept mine and if he does get out of line I'm going to show him what the chain of command is or he's going to have a solo tour of the airlock depending on how far he pushes me.

What?

First of all, it's doubtful that the Alliance gives promotions based on dead man's shoes.  Second, it's doubtful that the Alliance has a shortage of promotions, so it's first come first served.

Third, and I will even make a separate paragraph to emphasize it, Kaidan at the start of ME1 was a Lieutenant.  His career progress before Shepard was fine.  It was fine under Shepard.  It was fine after Shepard, if a bit perplexing with all the promotions.

Honestly, I am starting to wish there was such a thing as a Chain of Command, and Kaidan beats Shepard with it, just to tick people off.

[hegth]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

 if he does get out of line I'm going to show him what the chain of command is or he's going to have a solo tour of the airlock depending on how far he pushes me.

100 times THIS.
remember the hand that feed you kaidan......... REMEMBER.

[darthnick427]

WTF?! Kaiden does not outrank shepard. We own his ass. He is and always will be your subordinate.and The alliance would be **** without shepard and they know it! From what i could tell they haven't done **** since Shepard died. Making kaiden a spectre just showed how desperate they were. He hasn't done anything but follow shepard around and follow his orders and if he starts getting pissy with me i will shoot him in the foot and allow Garrus to shoot his arms off with his sniper and allow Grunt to rip what's left of him in half since i honestly don't want him or ashley on the Normandy, much less my squad, in the first place.

[mineralica]

Yes, he does. Several of my Shepards are looking forward to tease him about it.

Seriously, do you think Kaidan is brainless enough to organize a pissing contest in a middle of Reapers invasion? I believe it will be "Shepard is good in organising forces and stopping Reapers/Collectors, let him do it", no matter which ranks will people around him have.

[Made Nightwing]

mineralica wrote...

Yes, he does. Several of my Shepards are looking forward to tease him about it.

Seriously, do you think Kaidan is brainless enough to organize a pissing contest in a middle of Reapers invasion? I believe it will be "Shepard is good in organising forces and stopping Reapers/Collectors, let him do it", no matter which ranks will people around him have.

^This. I'd actually like to see something like this.

Shepard: We can't afford to regroup with the fleet. We need to head to ****** to pick up ******* to fight the Reapers.
Kaidan: Shepard, as a Spectre of the Council and nominal commanding officer, I must formally protest your illegal seizure of Alliance property.
Shepard: Duly noted.
Kaidan: Good. Now that that's out of the way, can we get back to stopping the Reapers now?
Shepard: Good to have you back on my side.

[Siansonea]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

If Kaiden did get a promotion he better remember whose ship he's on

A former Cerberus warship now owned by the Alliance and theirs to do with what they will? Check.

and that the only reason he got a promotion was because I died and therefore wasn't able to accept mine

Ah yes, it seems that the rumors of your demise were rather exaggerated Shepard. Was it tax evasion? Or did you just really want to work for Cerberus and didn't want to go to all the trouble of telling the Alliance "I quit"?

and if he does get out of line I'm going to show him what the chain of command is or he's going to have a solo tour of the airlock depending on how far he pushes me.

Seems like attempting to murder a superior officer could be a bad way to renew Alliance ties, but you go ahead and do it your way. Something tells me that Cutscene Kaidan might have some surprises in store for you, and I imagine Loyal Alliance Crew might have some things to say in this instance as well.

[Lord Coake]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Shepard: We can't afford to regroup with the fleet. We need to head to ****** to pick up ******* to fight the Reapers.
Kaidan: Shepard, as a Spectre of the Council and nominal commanding officer, I must formally protest your illegal seizure of Alliance property.
Shepard: Duly noted.
Kaidan: Good. Now that that's out of the way, can we get back to stopping the Reapers now?
Shepard: Good to have you back on my side.

I could tolerate this.  It sounds just official enough on Kaidan's side that most players would buy it, and to the military people playing ME3, it would really just be par for the course of military absurdity that threads through all of Mass Effect.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 06 juillet 2011 - 03:58 .

[Arppis]

ipgd wrote...

SHEPARD'S GOING TO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING UNDER HIM ALL RIGHT HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK

Haha...

...don't you know that Shepard likes to be in charge?

[JonnyBoyGir]

Shepard is a Spectre he can do anything he wants whenever he wants and he can go anywhere he want he makes all the decissions and i think he should just stay a spectre "The council's first and last line of defence"

[Annihilator27]

Arppis wrote...

ipgd wrote...

SHEPARD'S GOING TO HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING UNDER HIM ALL RIGHT HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK

Haha...

...don't you know that Shepard likes to be in charge?

Pulling that rank

[Tech6425]

luckily i wont have to worry about it... kaidan never lives.... ever

i liked him better when he was carth onasi