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[Casterdael]

Shepard has the rank of the protagonist. End of story.

[fenrya13]

Siansonea II wrote...

fenrya13 wrote...

The silly insignia on their uniform doesn't mean a thing. The VS will never outrank Shepard. End of debate.

Somebody's got a case of playercharacteritis! Might I suggest a salve, or an unguent?

Bluster does not win arguments.

No playercharacteritis here. Just simple fact. Neither VS has ever done one single thing to show that they have any command abilities that are even on the same level as Shepard; let alone beyond his. Therefore regardless of there rank title, they will never command the same respect from a crew that Shepard does.

Modifié par fenrya13, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:30 .

[mopotter]

I am no longer part of the alliance so whatever rank the VS has does not affect me.

Shepard is a Spectre and does not take orders from anyone. Shepard will assist the alliance or the council if the cause is just or to destroy the reapers. :-)

[TobiTobsen]

"I'm the saviour of the known universe, destroyer of the Reaper and Collectors, hero of mankind and all the known races! I'm Commander..."

"SHEPARD! Get you ass down into the galley and help Rupert! Those potatoes won't peel and mash themself!"

"Yes, sir! Commander Alenko, sir!"

[Made Nightwing]

TobiTobsen wrote...

"I'm the saviour of the known universe, destroyer of the Reaper and Collectors, hero of mankind and all the known races! I'm Commander..."

"SHEPARD! Get you ass down into the galley and help Rupert! Those potatoes won't peel and mash themself!"

"Yes, sir! Commander Alenko, sir!"

 Damn, that's a good one. I'd actually like to see Bioware address the issue, it would make for some great unique Kaidan dialogue. But I'm of the opinion that he'd show the common sense he's famous for and turn over command to Shepard, or just 'disregard' the official orders coming from the Council or Alliance.

Kaidan: Hmm, my orders are to keep you under close surveillance and take the Normandy to the Citadel.
Shepard: Really?
Vega: Sorry ma'am, but Commander Alenko has to follow orders just like the rest of us.
Shepard: Yeah, I gues you're....
Kaidan: But, in all the confusion, it seems I've misplaced my omni-tool, so I can't access those orders. I guess I'll have to act on my own initiative and follow the recommendations given to me by my former commander.
Vega: Ah...boss? What about your orders?
Kaidan: What orders Lieutenant?
Vega: The orders you........what orders? I haven't heard any orders. Guess we'll just have to go with Shepard's recommendation.

This scenario would give both Vega and Kaidan a Crowning Moment of Awesome, re-establish the trust between Kaidan and Shepard, plus giving Vega a huge boost in approval.

[RattleSnake08]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Being a higher rank. Kaidan would be assigned as Commanding Officer of any ships the both of them happen to serve on by alliance command, plus their regulations and protocols would be set up so that if Shepard starts disobeying his Commanding Officers orders then idk..

This is not how it works in the military.  Just because someone is a higher rank does not automatically make them a CO of any ship.  You are appointed to the CO of a ship and everyone follows the orders of the CO.

[RattleSnake08]

MonkeyKaboom wrote...

2) Its impossible for an officer to receive two promotions in just 2 years

Depends on if it is during war time or not.  You can be promoted in the field and has been done in the past.

[JimTays]

Everyone is forgetting that the SSR-2 Normandy is not an Alliance vessel.

The crew and officers of the ship are accustomed to Shepard.  They trust his judgement and have been to hell and back with him.  So has Kaiden, and I don't see any threat of a power struggle between the two.  Kaiden knows Shepard has more experience with the Reapers than he does and it would be idiotic to try and have a "who's manhood is bigger" when the entire galaxy is at risk.

Also, Shepard is a Spectre.. he don't answer to anyone but the council.

[JayhartRIC]

JimTays wrote...

Everyone is forgetting that the SSR-2 Normandy is not an Alliance vessel.

The crew and officers of the ship are accustomed to Shepard.  They trust his judgement and have been to hell and back with him.  So has Kaiden, and I don't see any threat of a power struggle between the two.  Kaiden knows Shepard has more experience with the Reapers than he does and it would be idiotic to try and have a "who's manhood is bigger" when the entire galaxy is at risk.

Also, Shepard is a Spectre.. he don't answer to anyone but the council.

My Shepard doesn't answer to the council either.

[Sjaddix]

JimTays wrote...

Everyone is forgetting that the SSR-2 Normandy is not an Alliance vessel.

The crew and officers of the ship are accustomed to Shepard.  They trust his judgement and have been to hell and back with him.  So has Kaiden, and I don't see any threat of a power struggle between the two.  Kaiden knows Shepard has more experience with the Reapers than he does and it would be idiotic to try and have a "who's manhood is bigger" when the entire galaxy is at risk.

Also, Shepard is a Spectre.. he don't answer to anyone but the council.

And you would be forgetting that the Alliance siezed your ship. So by this point they have removed your cerebrus crew and modified the ship to their liking.


U blew up a solar system. The council pretty much hates u. By this point they have probably stripped your Spectre Status.

[Augustei]

TobiTobsen wrote...

"I'm the saviour of the known universe, destroyer of the Reaper and Collectors, hero of mankind and all the known races! I'm Commander..."

"SHEPARD! Get you ass down into the galley and help Rupert! Those potatoes won't peel and mash themself!"

"Yes, sir! Commander Alenko, sir!"

Lol Thats going to be the case for most peoples shepards =P

mopotter wrote...
I am no longer part of the alliance so whatever rank the VS has does not affect me.

Shepard
is a Spectre and does not take orders from anyone. Shepard will assist
the alliance or the council if the cause is just or to destroy the
reapers. :-)

Batarian space is part of the terminus systems, Shepard almost / did cause a war with the terminus systems when he blew up that system.. They were reluctant to give Shepard back his spectre status when he was working for a terrorist group, you really think he will still be a spectre after commiting terrorist acts and started a war?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 10 juillet 2011 - 02:08 .

[ODST 5723]

Here's the thing, the way Arrival ends the only ones who know what happened out there is Shepard. Hackett knows a bit, but never read the full report and he basically comes out and says that he trusts Shepard's judgement and that he did what needed done.

Arrival provides some significant foreshadowing as well.

1) The Reapers are still coming
2) The Batarian Hegemony will want blood
3) The Alliance will want an inquiry
4) The Admiral's comment about "dress blues" signals that Shepard will be considered Alliance

According to Hackett, there's not much direct evidence to tie Shepard to it, other than Shepard's own report it seems. And then there's his squad and Cerberus crew. None of whom should harbor any major love for the batarians. Plus, Hackett's going to be batting for him, and should be, since he was a major instigator. It was also his friend/operative that set that train in motion in trying to use the asteroid to destroy the Alpha Relay.

It could actually be better for the universe that Shepard take the hit on this one, as he was potentially independent and/or linked to Ceberus at the time, despite also being linked to the Council and the Alliance. Thus, the batarians don't have a direct group to blame the way they could have with an Alliance-backed Kenson.

It could also be worse for Shepard to take the hit, since it could be the exact type of thing that unites the Terminus as all of those groups are somewhat represented by Shepard and it could be twisted to be a massive conspiracy by the upstart humans who have the backing of the Council to do their dirty work through groups like Cerberus.

Since the Reapers apparently arrive during the inquiry, even if the Council had previously revoked his Spectre status if they're still alive I can see him getting pretty much free reign beyond anything he ever had as a Spectre or as an Alliance Marine since it validates all of the actions that were taken. Since they come through batarian space first, it's likely that the batarians will need help more than they will be condemning the incident.

Meanwhile, Kaidan outranking Shepard will likely fall by the wayside a the counteroffensive will likely not be an Alliance operation. At that point, it's intergalactic survival and Shepard will, as usual, rise to the occasion in a role of leadership to rally the galaxy for war he said was coming. I don't see rank holding much weight on the Normandy at that point. Shepard will likely be given authority above anything he's had before and Kaidan and Ashley will either recognize that or after a very brief power struggle, fall into a subordinate role.

[VIR176]

I heard Ash gets spectre status.
and btw whatever status anyone gets Commander Shepard will allways be the big kahuna, savior of the galaxy,humanity you name it.
Even Hackett took a order from Shepard.

[WidowMaker9394]

motleykroot wrote...

It's important to remember that between ME1 and ME2 Commander Shepard attained the universally recognized rank of Commander Shepard.

Commander Shepard Shepard?

[mineralica]

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

motleykroot wrote...

It's important to remember that between ME1 and ME2 Commander Shepard attained the universally recognized rank of Commander Shepard.

Commander Shepard Shepard?

Even better for people who chose "Commander" as first name for their Shepards. Commander Shepard Commander Shepard.

[Siansonea]

fenrya13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

fenrya13 wrote...

The silly insignia on their uniform doesn't mean a thing. The VS will never outrank Shepard. End of debate.

Somebody's got a case of playercharacteritis! Might I suggest a salve, or an unguent?

Bluster does not win arguments.

No playercharacteritis here. Just simple fact. Neither VS has ever done one single thing to show that they have any command abilities that are even on the same level as Shepard; let alone beyond his. Therefore regardless of there rank title, they will never command the same respect from a crew that Shepard does.

Well, if nothing else I'm impressed that you have knowledge of Kaidan and Ashley's service history that the rest of us lack. Seems like their activities in the interim since Shepard "died" are pretty well classified, so it doesn't do to assume they've been twiddling their thumbs for two years.

[Abispa]

Kaidan and Ashley will have as much experience with command as Bioware writers tell us they have. Kind of like how we had to take Bioware's word for it that Miranda has this incredible service record as a leader. I sure as hell never saw it.

Maybe their codex will be impressive. Somebody please read it so you can tell us all about it.

Modifié par Abispa, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:42 .

[CitizenSnips]

Ranks are fine for 99.9% of the population of militaries, but many black ops members exist outside of military rank regardless of the title they hold. Currently known examples for tier one black ops from the United States are ACE(Delta Force), DEVGRU(SEAL Team Six), and CIA SAD/SOG. Members of these units are very highly trained and often given much more autonomy than the average soldier and report only to the highest civilian and military leadership, bypassing much of the standard chain of command. Teams for these organizations are built around merit and ability, not title or rank. Ranks in relation to team slotting at the highest level of special forces are largely irrelevant, especially during times of immediate crisis. Teams are put together to get the job done. The best guy for the position, the best team for the job. Period. If Shepard is the best guy to lead the team, the Alliance will have him lead the team regardless of any other teammate's rank.

[KainrycKarr]

Siansonea II wrote...

fenrya13 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

fenrya13 wrote...

The silly insignia on their uniform doesn't mean a thing. The VS will never outrank Shepard. End of debate.

Somebody's got a case of playercharacteritis! Might I suggest a salve, or an unguent?

Bluster does not win arguments.

No playercharacteritis here. Just simple fact. Neither VS has ever done one single thing to show that they have any command abilities that are even on the same level as Shepard; let alone beyond his. Therefore regardless of there rank title, they will never command the same respect from a crew that Shepard does.

Well, if nothing else I'm impressed that you have knowledge of Kaidan and Ashley's service history that the rest of us lack. Seems like their activities in the interim since Shepard "died" are pretty well classified, so it doesn't do to assume they've been twiddling their thumbs for two years.

Shepard led teams that annihilated Sovereign/Saren, and the Collectors.

What could the VS have possibly done that would outshine that?

[Abispa]

COMMANDER Shepard was not even made a CAPTAIN in Mass Effect, yet s/he was still giving Admiral Hackett orders on what to do about Sovereign. Dozens of Alliance warships and the lives of hundreds of thousands of Citadel residents were handed to Shepard. Talk about passing the buck.

Shepard and we were in control of the situation then, we'll probably be in command in ME3 as well.

[Augustei]

Abispa wrote...

COMMANDER Shepard was not even made a CAPTAIN in Mass Effect, yet s/he was still giving Admiral Hackett orders on what to do about Sovereign. Dozens of Alliance warships and the lives of hundreds of thousands of Citadel residents were handed to Shepard. Talk about passing the buck.

Shepard and we were in control of the situation then, we'll probably be in command in ME3 as well.

Thats because Hackett willingly followed the instructions of shepard... His only guy on the ground who would have more intel on the situation then anyone else.....

If Hackett were a stupider general he could have easily told shepard to shove it. Anyway Kaidan fought the reapers and geth alongside shepard so would know what they are dealing with. Plus I seem to recall at the start of ME3 from the demos shepard has no idea wtf to do and needs Anderson to set him straight and call down the normandy. Where its CO. Commander Alenko comes to save shepards @ss =D

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 15 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[Homebound]

Your arguements are invalid, Shepard is a SpecTre. He answers only to the council.

[Sjaddix]

U blew up a mass relay and the council hates your guts anyway and let the Alliance arrest u. I would be surprised if u still have Spectre Status.

[Augustei]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Your arguements are invalid, Shepard is a SpecTre. He answers only to the council.

Yeah and as soon as shepard pulls that line on the alliance they will take back their ship and their crew and Shepard will be stuck on Earth to die with everyone else or another planet or station displaying the meaning of the word useless

Even though he is a spectre, he is in no position to disobey orders from the Alliance, Before the Invasion they also had the largest fleet in the galaxy.. Plus what Sjaddix said about blowing up a mass relay causing a highly likely war with the terminus systems meaning the council would almost immediatly remove shepards spectre status

So the more likely scenario is Shepard isn't a spectre, Kaidan IS a spectre and outranks him within the alliance.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 15 juillet 2011 - 10:09 .

[vallore]

Do we actually know, for sure, Shepard’s current rank?

We know she never got to Captain, but, as far as I know, we don’t know if she was promoted after the battle of the Citadel, or posthumously to,
say, staff-commander.