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[steej]

vallore wrote...




Do we actually know, for sure, Shepard’s current rank?

We know she never got to Captain, but, as far as I know, we don’t know if she was promoted after the battle of the Citadel, or posthumously to,
say, staff-commander.

Yes, he is a 'Spectre'. (or mine is anyhow)
Above the law and answerable to nobody.

I believe his military rank is superfluous and irrelevant.
In that respects he outranks even Admiral Hacket!

[edit]  having just said that, i looked this up;
masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Spectre
(scroll down to the "Known Specrtes" section)

It turns out that Kaidan Alenko / Ashley Williams becomes a Spectre!

[EDIT2]  I just read every one elses comments, and i'm way behind!
I guess your right guys, Shepard is removed of spectre status and Ash / Kaidan outranks you in every way possible.

OH I CAN'T WAIT ANYMORE!!  I HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME!

Modifié par steej, 15 juillet 2011 - 11:58 .

[SeaSquared]

Shepard has shown that he has a special rank in all organizations that makes him immune to orders.  before your even a spectre you can smart-off to admirals if you want, then theres the fact that as of ME2 Shepard technically isnt even in the alliance anymore, then theres the fact that as a (possibly former)spectre with plenty of experiance and two fellow spectres killed and notched on his space belt he obviously answers to no one except in theory the council, but even before he really did anything he could tell them to go to hell without trouble.

no offence but if your honestly worried that Shep is going to get bossed around by anyone then I think your taking some of  the technical parts of the characters a bit to seriously.

[BobZilla84]

I personally am one of the very few who actually likes the Idea of Ashley/Kaiden being the Commanding Officer of the Normandy I say this because The Alliance probably won't want to give Shepard alot of lee way because he is a Mass Murdering War Criminal and ultimately a thorn in the Alliances side.

Next thing to consider is that in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 we got to see Shepard as The Commander how about in Mass Effect 3 we just get to see Shepard being Shepard it could help with Shepard being more human and emotional as well not to mention the possable improvement the VS could receive Character wise.Like the VS could struggle under the weight of command and they could talk to Shepard about how he was able to do it for so long.

I think it could go something like this after the escape from Earth the Alliance Could order the VS to take Shepard to the Citadel to report to the Council and with Shepard being right all along the Council could fully Re-Instate Shepard's Spectre Status and then order the VS to be Shepards Transport and assist him/her to stop the Reapers in this case Shepards Re-Instatement into the Alliance won't matter all that much I say let Ashley/Kaiden Command the Normandy my Shepards have only one thing on their mind and thats gathering a awesome squad and bringing about the Destruction of The Reapers.

Also My Canon Shepard would spend most of his time in the Armory working on his Weapon's and in his personal quarters fixing his Armor.

[Siansonea]

Shepard's rank in ME3 should be "on trial". I'd say that pretty much everybody outranks him at that point.

Let's face it, Shepard's a deserter, who faked his death to work with Cerberus. He cooked up some stupid cover story about the Collectors, as if they have anything to do with anything, and he and the Illusive Man have been cavorting all over the Terminus Systems killing people. And he's got that idiotic pilot Moreau, who got the first Normandy blown up (coincidence?), and that contrary Dr. Chakwas. Did Shepard and Moreau PLAN to get the original Normandy blown up? It's awfully convenient that Shepard "died" according to Moreau's testimony, and then two years later the two of them are gallivanting across the galaxy in a souped-up NEW version of the Normandy doing the Illusive Man's bidding. Yeah, I definitely smell a rat, a rat wearing a Cerberus uniform. Oh and look, Cerberus went and blew up a mass relay in a batarian cluster. And the batarians are humanity's chief rivals. Hmmmmm. Yeah, still smelling a rat...

[Praetor Knight]

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard's rank in ME3 should be "on trial". I'd say that pretty much everybody outranks him at that point.

Let's face it, Shepard's a deserter, who faked his death to work with Cerberus. He cooked up some stupid cover story about the Collectors, as if they have anything to do with anything, and he and the Illusive Man have been cavorting all over the Terminus Systems killing people. And he's got that idiotic pilot Moreau, who got the first Normandy blown up (coincidence?), and that contrary Dr. Chakwas. Did Shepard and Moreau PLAN to get the original Normandy blown up? It's awfully convenient that Shepard "died" according to Moreau's testimony, and then two years later the two of them are gallivanting across the galaxy in a souped-up NEW version of the Normandy doing the Illusive Man's bidding. Yeah, I definitely smell a rat, a rat wearing a Cerberus uniform. Oh and look, Cerberus went and blew up a mass relay in a batarian cluster. And the batarians are humanity's chief rivals. Hmmmmm. Yeah, still smelling a rat...

I agree, and I'd add what happened on Illium.

And I can see that one C-sec dude that was verbally abusing the poor quarian girl, spewing non-sense against Shepard too.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 16 juillet 2011 - 06:01 .

[Siansonea]

Yeah, that asari, Benezia's daughter, is probably in cahoots with Shepard too, and obviously everyone else on the original Normandy, like that turian C-Sec agent, the quarian fugitive, the krogan merc. The only one who seemed to have a lick of sense or a modicum of loyalty to the Alliance is Alenko. Even though the rest of them turned traitor, Alenko stayed true to his oaths to the Alliance, even though his following Shepard during the mutiny and theft of the original Normandy is a huge black mark on his record, and Shepard's status as a Spectre is the only thing keeping Alenko out of hot water for that. If Shepard had just been an Alliance Commander at that point, CO or no, Alenko would have been court-martialed, as would Moreau, Chakwas, Adams, Pressly and all the others. But Spectre or not, Shepard can't just jump ship and spit on the Council by joining Cerberus. A human supremacist group is by definition anathema to the Council, and should be anathema to everyone who enjoys a safe, peaceful and egalitarian galactic community.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 16 juillet 2011 - 06:24 .

[Praetor Knight]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, that asari, Benezia's daughter, is probably in cahoots with Shepard too, and obviously everyone else on the original Normandy, like that turian C-Sec agent, the quarian fugitive, the krogan merc. The only one who seemed to have a lick of sense or a modicum of loyalty to the Alliance is Alenko. Even though the rest of them turned traitor, Alenko stayed true to his oaths to the Alliance, even though his following Shepard during the mutiny and theft of the original Normandy is a huge black mark on his record, and Shepard's status as a Spectre is the only thing keeping Alenko out of hot water for that. If Shepard had just been an Alliance Commander at that point, CO or no, Alenko would have been court-martialed, as would Moreau, Chakwas, Adams, Pressly and all the others. But Spectre or not, Shepard can't just jump ship and spit on the Council by joining Cerberus. A human supremacist group is by definition anathema to the Council, and should be anathema to everyone who enjoys a safe, peaceful and egalitarian galactic community.

Wrex should get a pass because he returns to Tuchanka, but the others are involved with Shepard.

I hope this is the type of perspective we start with in ME3.

[adrewan]

Kaidan died if you start a new game with a male you get Ashly. He died on my me 1 sav.

[Aligalipe]

Bioware has already given the answer for this problem:

Wrex: So... tell me, who'd win a fight between you and Shepard?
Kaidan: What? Commander Shepard is my superior officer, i can't imagine us having to fight.
Wrex: You can't? That's why Shepard is your superior officer. And that's why Shepard would win.

So there you go  Shepard is his superior officer, ALWAYS. Even when both are Spectres

[Iconic_N7]

After everything Shepards been through he should have already been promoted to Captain. Its irritating to me when all of his crew are advancing and Shepard is just ignored and seen as a criminal for joining creberus for the greater good. VS gets spectre status and bumped up in rank in the alliance. Spoier Warning: Liara gets to be the new and improved shadow broker. Wrex goes back to being his clans leader back on his home turf. But what a bout Shepard. Nothing. Absolutely nothing but an empty thankyou form the council, and the alliance awards him by sending him to trial. WHAT!? He should at least be Captain Shep by the end of the I told you so invasion at the begining of ME3. Thats at least my opinion.

[Kabanya101]

Kaiden will NEVER outrank my Shepard, I made sure every playthrough that the prototype Legion as I call him died.

Ashley giving me orders, don't make me laugh. That racist **** will be flying out the airlock from atmosphere sooner than you can say reapers if she even says when order to me.

[Augustei]

Ydub00Ether wrote...

After everything Shepards been through he should have already been promoted to Captain. Its irritating to me when all of his crew are advancing and Shepard is just ignored and seen as a criminal for joining creberus for the greater good. VS gets spectre status and bumped up in rank in the alliance. Spoier Warning: Liara gets to be the new and improved shadow broker. Wrex goes back to being his clans leader back on his home turf. But what a bout Shepard. Nothing. Absolutely nothing but an empty thankyou form the council, and the alliance awards him by sending him to trial. WHAT!? He should at least be Captain Shep by the end of the I told you so invasion at the begining of ME3. Thats at least my opinion.

Sending him to a trial... well how else should someone be "rewarded" for mass homocide and causing mobilisation for war?

[Dandynermite]

There is a reason I killed Kaiden other than prefering Ashley now

[marshalleck]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Kaiden will NEVER outrank my Shepard, I made sure every playthrough that the prototype Legion as I call him died.

Ashley giving me orders, don't make me laugh. That racist **** will be flying out the airlock from atmosphere sooner than you can say reapers if she even says when order to me.

And yet, Shepard will run around at everyone else's beck and call like the little tool he ultimately is. "Shepard, fetch our star maps. Shepard, get this quarian a job. Shepard, find this volus' credit chit" etc. etc. 

But people freak out about an NPC potentially outranking Shepard. Absurd.

Modifié par marshalleck, 16 juillet 2011 - 06:23 .

[CitizenSnips]

marshalleck wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...

Kaiden will NEVER outrank my Shepard, I made sure every playthrough that the prototype Legion as I call him died.

Ashley giving me orders, don't make me laugh. That racist **** will be flying out the airlock from atmosphere sooner than you can say reapers if she even says when order to me.

And yet, Shepard will run around at everyone else's beck and call like the little tool he ultimately is. "Shepard, fetch our star maps. Shepard, get this quarian a job. Shepard, find this volus' credit chit" etc. etc. 

But people freak out about an NPC potentially outranking Shepard. Absurd.

ABSURD!

[lietk12]

"Shepard, go fix this mess on Aite that someone under my micromanaging command made
Shepard, I've set you up with one of your old squad buddies on Horizon trollolololol
Shepard, retrieve some Reaper tech which I can use in the next comic book involving me--oh, and we lost the previous crew there to indoctrination
~kthx TIM"
Why worry about Kaidan outranking you when TIM can make you do any mission he wants?

[Ahriman]

lietk12 wrote...

"Shepard, go fix this mess on Aite that someone under my micromanaging command made
Shepard, I've set you up with one of your old squad buddies on Horizon trollolololol
Shepard, retrieve some Reaper tech which I can use in the next comic book involving me--oh, and we lost the previous crew there to indoctrination
~kthx TIM"
Why worry about Kaidan outranking you when TIM can make you do any mission he wants?

But TIM doesn't outrank Shepard! Why don't you understand?
Shep is a pawn in games of big guys, that's a problem for me. But having someone in higher rank on ship only adds more interesting situations.

[Had-to-say]

Kabanya101 wrote...

Kaiden will NEVER outrank my Shepard, I made sure every playthrough that the prototype Legion as I call him died.

Ashley giving me orders, don't make me laugh. That racist **** will be flying out the airlock from atmosphere sooner than you can say reapers if she even says when order to me.

Sucks that you feel that way toward Ashley. She is one of my favorite characters. I wouldn't say she is racist. 
Someone like president Nixon, that is a racist with high office. Where is that hatch to the airlock?  

[Mister Mida]

I think people are making a big deal out of this for no reason. I don't think anything will change concerning the military hierarchy on the ship. Shepard will be in charge no matter what.

[Elvis_Mazur]

So, Kaidan is will give me instruction in battle and will talk to the people in the Normandy?


AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[MonkeyKaboom]

Ash is a 2nd Lt. That's base bottom as far as commissioned ranks go. She's got less pull than a bandaid on a hairy ass.

Kaidan is a staff officer. As in Med corp, given his sentinel status. Or possibly biotic corp I suppose. He is not a command officer. He doesn't even exist in Sheps chain of command, unless he is under his command on board the Normandy.

The ranks are all mess up anyways. They threw together a mess of Marine and Navy ranks in the game. There is not rank of Commander in RL marines. That's navy. In which case there are 2, Lt. Commander (O-4) and Commander (O-5). And for brevity both in conversation are simply called...Commander....

Kaidan doesn't outrank the Shepster. Nothing to see here folks...

[AVPen]

Aligalipe wrote...

Bioware has already given the answer for this problem:

Wrex: So... tell me, who'd win a fight between you and Shepard?
Kaidan: What? Commander Shepard is my superior officer, i can't imagine us having to fight.
Wrex: You can't? That's why Shepard is your superior officer. And that's why Shepard would win.

So there you go  Shepard is his superior officer, ALWAYS. Even when both are Spectres

Just watched that scene the other day on YouTube... ironically, it was just after playing through Horizon again and Kaidan starting calling my Shepard a traitor, a manipulated man, an unloyal solider to the Alliance and the Council, no matter how much my Shepard stated otherwise.
Ahh, good times.... <_<