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[rapscallioness]

Legion of Grunt wrote...

Watch as Shepard gets promoted to fleet Commander as soon as the Reapers start destroying stuff...

problem solved?!?

Yeah, I think this is probably what will happen...I mean..who really knows, but I could very well see Shepard getting a very quick promotion as soon as the Reapers show. And then being told to "Go get 'em!"

[rapscallioness]

One phrase will be muttered across the galaxy when the Reapers show up, "Shepard was right...."

[Finis Valorum]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...


As a military man, I'm sure you know that seniority still comes into play. If they do promote Shepard to the same rank as Kaidan, they'd have to retroactively do it from prior to when Kaidan was promoted (2 years ago?). They can explain it away as "Hey, you died so we didn't promote you then. Here you go, active as of two years ago." Or "We couldn't because you were a spectre, here you go." This would be more trouble than its worth, but bioware has to keep him as Commander for marketing purposes. Maybe they'll just say seniority doesn't matter to simplify it, I could go along with that.

I think we've come to a consensus that Shepard either needs to be promoted to atleast Staff Commander, or Kaidan should not be assigned to the ship detail. He would have to be outside of the direct COC of the Normandy's crew. I don't know if they have a naval or military advisor, but they should. There are ways to solve this cumbersome issue.

What about a jump -step promotion for Shepard?
Couldn't they skip Staff Commander and jump straight to Captain then?

Alternatively the council could reinstate Shepard as a Spectre and order Kaidan as a fellow Spectre to assist Shepard with his mission in whatever way possible.
This would circumvent the Alliance rank system entirely except perhaps where the situation on board the Normandy itself is concerned and put Shep in overall command of the mission with Kaidan obliged to render any assitance requested by Shepard.

[TexasToast712]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Yeah, imagine a soldier in a war having to take orders from someone just because he had a higher rank.

Saviour of the Galaxy > everyone else.

[goofyomnivore]

Shepard has the rank of being the PC. That is the supreme rank in any game.

Maybe Shepard gets a promo though? During war times maybe the Council appoints a "Galactic Admiral"? I also don't think it is out of reach of Hackett/Anderson appointing Shepard in command regardless of rank.

I doubt Kaidan would "pull rank" on the one individual who has been right the whole time, and is the most qualified to call the shots, since well they have defeated the Reapers efforts three times now.

Modifié par strive, 05 juillet 2011 - 12:48 .

[Iwantobelieve]

Alliance ? The Earth governement ? There's no more Alliance. The Reapers have dismissed that claim/

Modifié par Iwantobelieve, 05 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[essarr71]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shepard is with the Alliance in ME3. Or at least he is according to a couple of the magazine previews.

Define "with".. that's what I'm trying to say.  Sure, Shep is with the Alliance.  Shep's also with the Turians.  And the Asari.  Shep might interact with the Alliance the most, but we have no idea of the circumstances.  But even if shep takes the time to reenlist, given their history and Shepard's experience with the Reapers, do you think Kaiden would give Shep grief over who is calling the shots.

The Earth is literally getting torn apart around them and Kaiden is going to cut in and say, "MYSHIPMYSHIPMYSHIP!"

If there was very little flexibility of how Shep gets the SR2, I could sympathize with trying to sort this out, but the fact is there are plenty of ways this doesn't break military protocol, and I'm going to assume that Bioware has taken their ranks into account... they did go out of their way to change them, after all.  Pretty sure they noticed.

[Han Shot First]

What about a jump -step promotion for Shepard?
Couldn't they skip Staff Commander and jump straight to Captain then?

I don't think Bioware will ever promote Shepard to Captain.

Commander has become almost like the character's unofficial first name.

"with".. that's what I'm trying to say.  Sure, Shep is with the Alliance.  Shep's also with the Turians.  And the Asari.  Shep might interact with the Alliance the most, but we have no idea of the circumstances.  But even if shep takes the time to reenlist, given their history and Shepard's experience with the Reapers, do you think Kaiden would give Shep grief over who is calling the shots.

Shepard is back to being commanding an Alliance warship in ME3 with an Alliance crew. So whether or not he's still a Spectre, he's also a Commissioned Officer in the Alliance military.

Kaidan would likely defer to Shepard regardless of the circumstances, but those circumstances should have some element of believability. To compare it to the civilian world, having Kaidan outrank Shepard but serving as the Normandy's executive officer for example, wouldn't make no more sense than an office where the CEO is subordinate to a marketing manager.

I think it is far too early to complain, since we don't know what Shepard's rank will be in ME3. But I do hope Bioware realizes that they've now promoted Kaidan above Shepard (as of ME2), and make adjustments accordingly.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:11 .

[sympathy4saren]

Shepard is a Spectre, and a darn powerful one.

How does Kaiden outrank him?

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:16 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Lots of Shepards got kicked out of the Spectres, s4s.

[Balek-Vriege]

Shepard = Supreme Commander of Galactic Resistance

Regardless of rank, Kaidan will follow your orders since Shepard has Spectre seniority and saved Humanity three times already. It might be a problem though if you're no longer a Spectre, cheated on Kaidan as Femshep and don't repair the damage in ME3. If you make the wrong decision (in his eyes), he may pull Staff Commander/Spectre rank.

Other than that, I can only see it as being a flirt option for Femshep/Kaidan about "following orders" and the roles being "reversed."

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:22 .

[Spartanburger]

Officers from low to high.

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

And remember, Spectre>all of these.
Kaidan and Shepard will have the same rank, and even if Kaidan had a higher rank he would respect Shepard and take his orders because Shepard is by far the more experienced.

[Han Shot First]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre, and a darn powerful one.

How does Kaiden outrank him?

Kaidan was promoted to Staff Commander. *If* Shepard is still a Lt Commander in ME3, Kaidan would outrank him. Although not confirmed yet it also looks like the Virmire Survivor is a Spectre in ME3. In screen shots Ash and Kaidan have the Spectre logo on their armor.

Not really an issue on my canon playthrough at least, since in that playthrough Kaidan died on Virmire.

Kaidan and Shepard will have the same rank, and even if Kaidan had a higher rank he would respect Shepard and take his orders because Shepard is by far the more experienced.

Shep was a Lt. Commander.

Unless he gets promoted, Kaidan would outrank him.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:34 .

[Siansonea]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Shepard is a Spectre, and a darn powerful one.

How does Kaiden outrank him?

Actually, Shepard is a Cerberus agent now, and not even part of the Alliance chain of command anymore after "dying" over Alchera. And Shepard might NOT be a Spectre. So Spectre Commander Kaidan would most definitely outrank Dumb Brick Cerberus Stooge Shepard. But don't worry, Shepard still outranks Kaidan in the Cerberus chain of command, even though Shepard is not really too close to the top of that food chain either.

[GodWood]

Why does this bother people so much?
Are your egos that fragile?

[Spartanburger]

Han Shot First wrote...

Kaidan and Shepard will have the same rank, and even if Kaidan had a higher rank he would respect Shepard and take his orders because Shepard is by far the more experienced.

Shep was a Lt. Commander.

Unless he gets promoted, Kaidan would outrank him.

I am aware of that, I'm saying that even though Kaidan outranks Shepard, Shepard is still the better Commander. Kaidan would/should be very aware of this having served under his command and knowing what Shepard has done in the years Kaidan's not been in his squad. Anyone with half a braincell would know that Shepard would be the better person to lead, even if you have a higher rank.

And as I said, if both people are Spectres, their military rank does not apply any more.

[Siansonea]

GodWood wrote...

Why does this bother people so much?
Are your egos that fragile?

I'd say "yes".

[NICKjnp]

Only if Shepard killed the council OR Shepard refused to become a Spectre again.

[sympathy4saren]

Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware Shepard could get stripped of Spectre status.

In my playthroughs of ME2 I was a Spectre and received confirmation I still was even with Cerberus.

[Han Shot First]

Siansonea II wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Why does this bother people so much?
Are your egos that fragile?

I'd say "yes".

It has nothing to do with 'ego.' In fact, my character would have no problems following orders from Admiral Hackett or Captain Anderson or even Staff Commander Alenko. (if he wasn't Virmired)

It has everything to do with believability. Shepard barking orders at someone who outranks him would be a ,"Wait, what?" moment.

And as I said, if both people are Spectres, their military rank does not apply any more

Sure, if Bioware says so.

That doesn't mean it makes sense. Saren, Nihlus and Tela Vasir did not command warships as Spectres.
 
Being a Spectre doesn't make someone some sort of supreme military commander, like the Jedi are in the Old Republic era of Star Wars. Nihulus for example, did not outrank Shepard or Anderson when he was aboard the Normandy.

Shepard was in command of an Alliance warship because in addition to being a Spectre, he was also a Lt Commander in the Alliance military.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 juillet 2011 - 02:05 .

[Warkupo]

Kaiden is not so stupid as to try and pull rank on the Hero of the ****ing Galaxy. At best you'll get a conversation like "Hey Kaiden, how come you never used your rank to be a ****?" and Kaiden will say "Well Shepard, it's because I'm not a ****."

[Lord Coake]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

Admiral Hackett undoubtedly outranks Shepard...yet I've never heard him give Shepard one order. Not only that, but he was present during the battle of the citadel, and yet deferred decisions to Shepard.

Shepard supercedes military rank at this point.

To be honest, good General and Flag officers rarely give actual orders to the captains of other vessels or the CO's of other larger troop formations.  They'll instead detail the objectives, lay down what needs to be done and build a strateagy around whats at his/her disposal, then leave the implementation to said lower officers.

Kaiden could very well take that route with Shepard.  The Normandy is Sherpards ship, no way around it, but Kaiden could easily be in the position of imforming Shepard what needs to be done and where. Which leaves Shepard in the positon he/she is best at; a small-unit field officer.

That would by no means downplay Shepards importance while not stressing things too far within military structure.  Flag and General officers need good field officers to get things done right, and good field officers need good Flag/General officers to know where and when to get things done right.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 05 juillet 2011 - 02:36 .

[Siansonea]

Warkupo wrote...

Kaiden is not so stupid as to try and pull rank on the Hero of the ****ing Galaxy. At best you'll get a conversation like "Hey Kaiden, how come you never used your rank to be a ****?" and Kaiden will say "Well Shepard, it's because I'm not a ****."

I have no idea what **** is supposed to mean.

That "Hero Of The Galaxy" business is ancient history. Sovereign's attack was two years ago. And Shepard is just some dead Alliance hero. Except, now he's not dead. And now he's a rogue agent. Dude, weren't you the same guy who was talking smack about Saren betraying the Council? Then you start cashing Cerberus paychecks? Yeah, I think Shepard's "hero" capital is in the red at this point.

I don't recall seeing Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani snapping away with her camera as the assault on the Collector Base was happening. Really, who actually knows what happened beyond the Omega-4 relay? So whatever new "hero capital" Shepard might have earned from the Suicide Mission, well, let's just say I don't think he's going to be able to spend it when he steps off the Normandy SR-2.

Kaidan, on the other hand, has been working diligently and continuously for the Alliance and the Council for the last two years that Shepard has been "dead". And Kaidan is older than Shepard. And Kaidan doesn't have Douchegade tendencies. So yeah, if I was on the Council, I'd listen to Kaidan before I'd listen to that Cerberus lapdog Shepard, I don't care what he did or didn't do two years ago. What have you done for me lately, Shepard?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 05 juillet 2011 - 02:48 .