Kaidan can suck a dick. That's what I say, any way Shepard has the superior rank of Shepard, you can only get it by saving the galaxy and stopping the collectors also you need to be bros with Garrus.
So... Kaidan outranks Shepard
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#127
Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 03:01
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You know, it's for this very reason I plan on having my canon femShep tell the Council to "shove her Spectre status where Haestrom's sun don't shine." She don't need no stinking title to kick Reaper ass; she just threatens the Reapers with burning the movie Twilight into their hardcore systems to play on an infinite loop. The only way they can stop it would be to initialise a detonation sequence. Now that's how you take care of unwanted visitors!
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 03:26
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Siansonea II wrote...
That "Hero Of The Galaxy" business is ancient history. Sovereign's attack was two years ago. And Shepard is just some dead Alliance hero. Except, now he's not dead. And now he's a rogue agent. Dude, weren't you the same guy who was talking smack about Saren betraying the Council? Then you start cashing Cerberus paychecks? Yeah, I think Shepard's "hero" capital is in the red at this point.
I don't recall seeing Khalisah Bint Sinan al-Jilani snapping away with her camera as the assault on the Collector Base was happening. Really, who actually knows what happened beyond the Omega-4 relay? So whatever new "hero capital" Shepard might have earned from the Suicide Mission, well, let's just say I don't think he's going to be able to spend it when he steps off the Normandy SR-2.
Kaidan, on the other hand, has been working diligently and continuously for the Alliance and the Council for the last two years that Shepard has been "dead". And Kaidan is older than Shepard. And Kaidan doesn't have Douchegade tendencies. So yeah, if I was on the Council, I'd listen to Kaidan before I'd listen to that Cerberus lapdog Shepard, I don't care what he did or didn't do two years ago. What have you done for me lately, Shepard?
It's refreshing to see this type of post.
Taking a step back from being Shepard and looking at Shep's career, just about every major decision is can legitimately be seen as questionable, and nothing is unanimously the "right" thing to do, and it's one of the aspects of the series I enjoy.
On a completely PARAGON Shepard, your Shep will have:
Sacrificed countless Alliance soldiers and ships defending the Citadel Council
Unleashed the Rachni, who nearly conquered the galaxy
Inexplicably went MIA for 2 years ("I was dead", won't work.. see: common tax evasion excuses)
Willingly worked with Cerberus, suspicious at best to humans, and seen as a threat to other races
Are commanding a ship with an unshackled artificial intelligence and a Geth crew member (not to mention a convicted felon you broke out from prison)
Covered up war crimes committed by the Quarians
Is holding data to help cure the genophage, potentially unleashing another race that nearly conquered the galaxy
Can be tied to dealing with a vast number of shady people, and could very well be sleeping with the Shadow Broker.
All in the name of stopping a galactic genocide Shep can't prove.
Doubt many, if any, of that will ever really be brought to light, but from the outside looking in, even the very best Shep is a damn shady character if you had to just look at the bullet points.
If a person of that caliber stood trial for destroying a relay, killing 300k batarians and potentially started a war between the alliance and the terminus, which would drag every other civilization into the struggle: yeah... good thing the reapers show up when they do.
But, uh.. back on topic...
...I'm happy to see the VSs career actually progress instead of stay stagnant. It makes sense that the members of the team that were known for saving the Citadel would have moved up the ranks. But, regardless of Shep's checkered decisions, they are part of a select few who KNOW Shep has the right idea. I doubt either of them would stand in Shep's way once the Reapers show, regardless of rank/protocol.
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#129
Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 03:33
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If anything this will become a chance for a cute conversation between him and shep if so i cannot wait to hear it.
#130
Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 03:46
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Under most circumstances, Shep's reputation would be and would stay dirt. However, the Reapers putting in an appearance in force renders all that completely nil. Suddenly, the Specter everyone was decrying as a madwoman is proven completely, horribly right. Shepard doesn't need "hero cred" anymore, as she just the biggest dammed "To Told You So" moment in galactic history.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 04:12
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Alliance is gone. It's been wiped out by the Reapers during the first wave of the invasion. Ranks are irrelevant. There are some remains, but it's no longer the organization it was. Cerberus is gone, too, morphed once again into a completely new role to suit the needs of the writers. I wager the Council is gone, as well. Destiny Ascension proved to be rather useless in a fight. The Reapers are here, and the galaxy has been changed forever.
But I like the idea of Kaidan outranking Shepard. I'm curious to see how Kaidan is going to handle it. Will he be apologetic about it, or will he try to give orders to Shepard? Kaidan's changed, too, since ME1, and I don't think I know this person anymore.
I just can see it, Kaidan giving an order to the crew, and then Shepard giving them a contradictory order, and then the crew just follows Shepard's order, ignoring Kaidan completely. Rank isn't everything, especially since the system that enforced it is no longer in place. Who's going to court-martial the crew if they disobey Kaidan's orders? No one...Alliance is no more, the Earth is occupied, the Citadel is probably under siege. He's alone here. If Kaidan lacks the authority and power to enforce his orders, he can't do anything about Shepard ignoring him.
But I like the idea of Kaidan outranking Shepard. I'm curious to see how Kaidan is going to handle it. Will he be apologetic about it, or will he try to give orders to Shepard? Kaidan's changed, too, since ME1, and I don't think I know this person anymore.
I just can see it, Kaidan giving an order to the crew, and then Shepard giving them a contradictory order, and then the crew just follows Shepard's order, ignoring Kaidan completely. Rank isn't everything, especially since the system that enforced it is no longer in place. Who's going to court-martial the crew if they disobey Kaidan's orders? No one...Alliance is no more, the Earth is occupied, the Citadel is probably under siege. He's alone here. If Kaidan lacks the authority and power to enforce his orders, he can't do anything about Shepard ignoring him.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 04:35
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Where did you hear that the Alliance was wiped out? To me it seems like they lost the battle of Earth and retreated, albeit with lots of casualties. I'm sure the 5th fleet is still around too (they aren't gonna kill Hackett off in the first 10 mins of the game, atleast I hope not). The alliance will have a role to play, no doubt in my mind (of course that doesn't make it true, but i think its likely).
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 05:06
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Well, Shepard can still be a Spectre and thus enjoy special commandeering power, or in the case of the VS being a Spectre too, I am fairly certain both won't fuss over ranks and just go with the most experience, cue to Shepard.
LOL what if VS is a Spectre? Shepard is famous for killing other Spectres. Kills one each game. You bet Shep is going to kill some more Spectres in ME3- preferrably a Salarian/Krogan/Human Spectre, just to add some diversity to the collection.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 05:31
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And off the top of my head...essarr71 wrote...
On a completely PARAGON Shepard, your Shep will have:
Sacrificed countless Alliance soldiers and ships defending the Citadel Council
Unleashed the Rachni, who nearly conquered the galaxy
Inexplicably went MIA for 2 years ("I was dead", won't work.. see: common tax evasion excuses)
Willingly worked with Cerberus, suspicious at best to humans, and seen as a threat to other races
Are commanding a ship with an unshackled artificial intelligence and a Geth crew member (not to mention a convicted felon you broke out from prison)
Covered up war crimes committed by the Quarians
Is holding data to help cure the genophage, potentially unleashing another race that nearly conquered the galaxy
Can be tied to dealing with a vast number of shady people, and could very well be sleeping with the Shadow Broker.
Stopped Saren
Saved the destiny ascension
Saved colonies on Eden Prime, Horizon, Terra Nova, Watson, Sinmara and Feros!!!!! (this is staggering)
Stopped plague in Omega
Rescued workers from burning refinery
Saved the life of a Turian politician
Saved a group of forgotten and stranded crew from the Hugo Gernsback
Stopped a multitude of crime at the Citadel
Negotiated medical assistance for sick colonists
Saved a bunch of Salarains on Illium
Stopped that crashing ship
Shut down Blue Suns pirate base responsible for piracy and murder
Solved the murder of a volus on Illium and shut down a smuggling ring
Hunted down and brought an Ardat-Yaski (or whatever they are called) to justice
Recovered a major research ship to help ensure the survival of the Quarian migrant fleet
Sheaprd has done a lot of good for a wide variety of people and races and can prove it. He absolutely eclipses what we know Kaidan or Ashley have achieved. Which to be brutally honest isn't that impressive given their lack of contribution on horizon.
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Where did you hear that the Alliance was wiped out? To me it seems like they lost the battle of Earth and retreated, albeit with lots of casualties. I'm sure the 5th fleet is still around too (they aren't gonna kill Hackett off in the first 10 mins of the game, atleast I hope not). The alliance will have a role to play, no doubt in my mind (of course that doesn't make it true, but i think its likely).
Never heard it anywhere. Just the impression I've got after watching the invasion. It looks like the Alliance is being devastated. The ships explode in the sky and rain down. The shuttles that try to leave are blasted off. It looks like the Reapers closed the orbit, and I'm not even sure the Alliance ships can get out if they wanted to. Normandy probably still have that Reaper IFF - that, or the new stealth systems are actually stealthy.
And that's not to mention that someone has to give an order to leave the Earth at the mercy of the Reapers. If that happened, I want to know the name of that brave person. But I doubt it happened, considering the Alliance attitude towards surrendering to aliens. Remember what happened to General Williams, "the only human ever to surrender to an alien force." I bet nobody ordered a retreat. Perhaps in the chaos of the battle a few ships escaped...but that would be desertion unless the order was given.
This is all speculation, but things look very, very grim. However, Shepard still calls himself "Alliance Navy," so I suppose something of the Alliance still remains. Unless it's his way to remember them by. "I'm Alliance Navy, the only one left of the Alliance. They died back on Earth, but I managed to escape. I'm an expert at survival."
One way the Alliance could survive...A part of them stayed behind at the Citadel, even though they knew the Reapers were coming to invade the Earth. I bet that was the fifth fleet.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 05:39
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Malanek999 wrote...
And off the top of my head...essarr71 wrote...
On a completely PARAGON Shepard, your Shep will have:
Sacrificed countless Alliance soldiers and ships defending the Citadel Council
Unleashed the Rachni, who nearly conquered the galaxy
Inexplicably went MIA for 2 years ("I was dead", won't work.. see: common tax evasion excuses)
Willingly worked with Cerberus, suspicious at best to humans, and seen as a threat to other races
Are commanding a ship with an unshackled artificial intelligence and a Geth crew member (not to mention a convicted felon you broke out from prison)
Covered up war crimes committed by the Quarians
Is holding data to help cure the genophage, potentially unleashing another race that nearly conquered the galaxy
Can be tied to dealing with a vast number of shady people, and could very well be sleeping with the Shadow Broker.
Stopped Saren
Saved the destiny ascension
Saved colonies on Eden Prime, Horizon, Terra Nova, Watson, Sinmara and Feros!!!!! (this is staggering)
Stopped plague in Omega
Rescued workers from burning refinery
Saved the life of a Turian politician
Saved a group of forgotten and stranded crew from the Hugo Gernsback
Stopped a multitude of crime at the Citadel
Negotiated medical assistance for sick colonists
Saved a bunch of Salarains on Illium
Stopped that crashing ship
Shut down Blue Suns pirate base responsible for piracy and murder
Solved the murder of a volus on Illium and shut down a smuggling ring
Hunted down and brought an Ardat-Yaski (or whatever they are called) to justice
Recovered a major research ship to help ensure the survival of the Quarian migrant fleet
Sheaprd has done a lot of good for a wide variety of people and races and can prove it. He absolutely eclipses what we know Kaidan or Ashley have achieved. Which to be brutally honest isn't that impressive given their lack of contribution on horizon.
Everything they did in ME1 is ancient history. The Alliance So Doesn't Care, as everyone and their dog will tell you in ME2.
Everything they did in ME2 was under the aegis of Cerberus, so they're still not winning any points from the Council. And it is Council/Alliance rankings we're talking about here, so their point of view is the only one that matters, not some omniscient player perspective.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 05:41
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Pretty sure the Alliance command structure is going to fall apart once the reapers start chowing down on Earth. The person in charge is going to be the person with the will to lead. Also, it doesn't hurt that Shepard is the player character.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 05:54
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HopHazzard wrote...
Pretty sure the Alliance command structure is going to fall apart once the reapers start chowing down on Earth. The person in charge is going to be the person with the will to lead. Also, it doesn't hurt that Shepard is the player character.
MEMO TO ALLIANCE HIGH COMMAND
Re: Reapers! Holy Sh**!
Dear Sirs and Madams,
It has come to our attention that operative Shepard, formerly Commander Shepard of the Systems Alliance Marines, is the player character. Shepard, as many of you know, was largely responsible for infiltrating the Citadel Tower during the geth attack, allowing the Fifth Fleet to destroy the geth dreadnaught, alongside Shepard's own ship, the Normandy SR-1. Shepard was presumed dead over Alchera after an attack by an unknown vessel (survivors insist it was not a geth ship), but surfaced recently in the employ of Cerberus. Now, I know what you're all going to say, and I knew Admiral Kahoku too, but the intel we're getting about Shepard being the player character is believed to be solid. Shepard's activities while in Cerberus' employ are not well documented, there is an unexplained gap of two years between the time of the Alchera incident and Shepard's recent brushes with Alliance intelligence. The operative on Horizon stated in the report that Shepard claimed to be in a coma for two years, and was "rebuilt" by Cerberus, but of course we can't take something like that seriously. Rest assured, though, that in light of this news that Shepard is the player character, that steps will be taken to ensure that the Alliance and the Citadel Council will do everything in our power to behave as quest givers, secondary protagonists, and secondary antagonists (the Reapers clearly being the primary antagonists in this scenario). P.S.: Please do not speak of this to Admiral Kahoku's widow, the poor woman has been through enough, and it's bad enough she had to hear that the marine who found her husbands body is now working for the very group who killed him.
Regards,
Admiral Enpeesee
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#139
Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:06
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ACWolfe wrote...
You know, it's for this very reason I plan on having my canon femShep tell the Council to "shove her Spectre status where Haestrom's sun don't shine." She don't need no stinking title to kick Reaper ass; she just threatens the Reapers with burning the movie Twilight into their hardcore systems to play on an infinite loop. The only way they can stop it would be to initialise a detonation sequence. Now that's how you take care of unwanted visitors!
Twilight is 99.9% effective, though some would call it cruel and unusual.
Here is one example of a poor indoctrinated sap forced to watch that steaming pile:
#140
Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:07
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If essarr71 is going to use argumnents from ME1 against Shepard I can use arguments from ME1 for Shepard. Out of interest why do events that happen 2-3 years ago suddenly get forgoten? You've made a pretty dubious statement without any argument.Siansonea II wrote...
Malanek999 wrote...
And off the top of my head...essarr71 wrote...
On a completely PARAGON Shepard, your Shep will have:
Sacrificed countless Alliance soldiers and ships defending the Citadel Council
Unleashed the Rachni, who nearly conquered the galaxy
Inexplicably went MIA for 2 years ("I was dead", won't work.. see: common tax evasion excuses)
Willingly worked with Cerberus, suspicious at best to humans, and seen as a threat to other races
Are commanding a ship with an unshackled artificial intelligence and a Geth crew member (not to mention a convicted felon you broke out from prison)
Covered up war crimes committed by the Quarians
Is holding data to help cure the genophage, potentially unleashing another race that nearly conquered the galaxy
Can be tied to dealing with a vast number of shady people, and could very well be sleeping with the Shadow Broker.
Stopped Saren
Saved the destiny ascension
Saved colonies on Eden Prime, Horizon, Terra Nova, Watson, Sinmara and Feros!!!!! (this is staggering)
Stopped plague in Omega
Rescued workers from burning refinery
Saved the life of a Turian politician
Saved a group of forgotten and stranded crew from the Hugo Gernsback
Stopped a multitude of crime at the Citadel
Negotiated medical assistance for sick colonists
Saved a bunch of Salarains on Illium
Stopped that crashing ship
Shut down Blue Suns pirate base responsible for piracy and murder
Solved the murder of a volus on Illium and shut down a smuggling ring
Hunted down and brought an Ardat-Yaski (or whatever they are called) to justice
Recovered a major research ship to help ensure the survival of the Quarian migrant fleet
Sheaprd has done a lot of good for a wide variety of people and races and can prove it. He absolutely eclipses what we know Kaidan or Ashley have achieved. Which to be brutally honest isn't that impressive given their lack of contribution on horizon.
Everything they did in ME1 is ancient history. The Alliance So Doesn't Care, as everyone and their dog will tell you in ME2.
It's NOT some "omniscient player perspective". There is proof ranging from reliable witnesses to hard physical evidence on everything I stated.Siansonea II wrote...
Everything they did in ME2 was under the aegis of Cerberus, so they're still not winning any points from the Council. And it is Council/Alliance rankings we're talking about here, so their point of view is the only one that matters, not some omniscient player perspective.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:10
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I am pretty sure if Kaiden tried telling Shep what to do, Shepard would laugh at him and tell him to go clean the toilets on the Normandy.
Thank you for the laugh. Awesome!
Kaidan: Since I outrank you now, I'm taking control of this ship so first...
Shepard: Erm.. No?
*Shepard hands kaidan some stuff to clean with*
Kaidan: What's this for?
Shepard: Cleaning. Now report to Mess Sergeant Gardner and make those toilets sparkle!
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:13
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Siansonea II wrote...
HopHazzard wrote...
Pretty sure the Alliance command structure is going to fall apart once the reapers start chowing down on Earth. The person in charge is going to be the person with the will to lead. Also, it doesn't hurt that Shepard is the player character.
MEMO TO ALLIANCE HIGH COMMAND
Re: Reapers! Holy Sh**!
Dear Sirs and Madams,
It has come to our attention that operative Shepard, formerly Commander Shepard of the Systems Alliance Marines, is the player character. Shepard, as many of you know, was largely responsible for infiltrating the Citadel Tower during the geth attack, allowing the Fifth Fleet to destroy the geth dreadnaught, alongside Shepard's own ship, the Normandy SR-1. Shepard was presumed dead over Alchera after an attack by an unknown vessel (survivors insist it was not a geth ship), but surfaced recently in the employ of Cerberus. Now, I know what you're all going to say, and I knew Admiral Kahoku too, but the intel we're getting about Shepard being the player character is believed to be solid. Shepard's activities while in Cerberus' employ are not well documented, there is an unexplained gap of two years between the time of the Alchera incident and Shepard's recent brushes with Alliance intelligence. The operative on Horizon stated in the report that Shepard claimed to be in a coma for two years, and was "rebuilt" by Cerberus, but of course we can't take something like that seriously. Rest assured, though, that in light of this news that Shepard is the player character, that steps will be taken to ensure that the Alliance and the Citadel Council will do everything in our power to behave as quest givers, secondary protagonists, and secondary antagonists (the Reapers clearly being the primary antagonists in this scenario). P.S.: Please do not speak of this to Admiral Kahoku's widow, the poor woman has been through enough, and it's bad enough she had to hear that the marine who found her husbands body is now working for the very group who killed him.
Regards,
Admiral Enpeesee
^This
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:14
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Who really cares about ranks? Shepard is a super-hero, Chuck Norris in space. Kaidan is his side-kick =P
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Mr.House wrote...
Shepard has no true rank anymore, Shepard is still called Commander for three reasons.
1:That was the title they had before he/she died
2: Shepard is known across the galaxy as Commander and never changed rank before death.
3:Walters was too lazy to touch this in the game and did not get rid of the Commander title.Commander is iconic "name for Shepard.
Also captain of Quarian ship Neema calls Shepard a captain.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:16
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Robhuzz wrote...
VolusvsReaper wrote...
I am pretty sure if Kaiden tried telling Shep what to do, Shepard would laugh at him and tell him to go clean the toilets on the Normandy.
Thank you for the laugh. Awesome!
Kaidan: Since I outrank you now, I'm taking control of this ship so first...
Shepard: Erm.. No?
*Shepard hands kaidan some stuff to clean with*
Kaidan: What's this for?
Shepard: Cleaning. Now report to Mess Sergeant Gardner and make those toilets sparkle!
Nah, I see it more going like this...
Kaidan: Alright, Hackett ordered us to fall back to Arcturus, we'll go there, regroup with the fleet and then look at our options.
FemShep: Erm...No? This is my ship and if you think....
Kaidan: So the logical aspects of my plan don't mean anything compared to your ego?
FemShep: That's right.
Kaidan: Lieutenant Vega, please take Commander Shepard to the Brig until she stops acting like a petulant child.
Vega: On it boss.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:18
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Kaidan can suck a dick.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:18
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I see it going going like this.
Kaidan: Sorry sir, I'm going to pull rank on this one.
[Shepard turns to Garrus and then they both crack up in laughter]
Kaidan: Sorry sir, I'm going to pull rank on this one.
[Shepard turns to Garrus and then they both crack up in laughter]
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:19
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VolusvsReaper wrote...
I am pretty sure if Kaiden tried telling Shep what to do, Shepard would laugh at him and tell him to go clean the toilets on the Normandy.
Sometimes I really wish these forums had a like button, I mean I like Kaidan and all but this was hilarious.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:20
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Mr.House wrote...
Captain Shepard has more power in it's name.-Skorpious- wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Shepard has no true rank anymore, Shepard is still called Commander for three reasons.
1:That was the title they had before he/she died
2: Shepard is known across the galaxy as Commander and never changed rank before death.
3: Walters was too lazy to touch this in the game and did not get rid of the Commander title.
And because the name is iconic.
Imagine if everybody started calling you "captain" in ME3 - it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue like commander does does it?
Call of Duty did that since first one.
And there's a ton of games with protagonists being a captain.
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Posté 05 juillet 2011 - 06:20
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I see it going going like this.
Kaidan: Sorry sir, I'm going to pull rank on this one.
[Shepard turns to Garrus and then they both crack up in laughter]
Except....well, Kaidan would always have Vega on his side. The guy's tank enough to take down a Krogan.
