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[ISpeakTheTruth]

Shepard is Space Jesus which out ranks any mortal rank system. Although I am hoping for a scene where Kaidan tries to take control of the situation.... then Shepard can do a Renegade interrupt head butt right to his face and that will be the end of that.

[Finis Valorum]

XxDeonxX wrote...

One of the devs, I cant recall which one it was during their interview with Gamespot or IGN and during the gamplay demo demonstrations The earth one I think it was, pluys Anderson says in it that he is staying behind to organise the resistance.. I think Anderson now being an Admiral will be leading the resistance.... Or Hackett

Still leaves room for Shepard to lead the coalition of the willing to Liberate Earth and/or Vanquish the Reapers, I like Kaidan in fact I would have no problem with him commanding the ship so long as I'm in charge of the overall mission, also Kaidan doesn't have Shepards contacts with the Geth, Quarians, Krogan or Rachni.
Besides if Kaidan commands the ship it will relieve Shepard of the burden of having to play therapist to the crew.

Like I've said before Shepard being in charge of the overall mission could be accomplished entirely by the Council reinstating Shepard and tasking him/her with the mission of stopping the Reapers while ordering Kaidan, a fellow Spectre, to assist Shepard with that mission in any way he can.
While it's true that individual Spectres usually work alone this is an unusual case and a Spectre's duty is ultimately what the council says it is.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I smell a promotion in Shepards future. I bet once he starts to gather the forces of the galaxy the Council will name him the Supreme Commander of Council forces or something like that. Because Spectre status was fine when we were just running round trying to find a crazy Turian but now that we're going to be leading the galaxy in defeating the greatest threat in our history the Spectre rank seems too small.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I'd like to see Ashley Vs. FemShep. Vocal arguments turn physical while Garrus and Vega watch.
But seriously, wouldn't the VS delegate command to Shepard anyway because of experience and knowledge of the Reapers/Collectors etc. The Alliance knows the Collectors are real, and Kaidan/Ashley were there with you on Virmire speaking to Sovereign

Doubt it. The most experienced person is not necessarily the one in charge. A Lieutenant fresh out of ROTC at the age of 21 will be placed over a squad with a gunnery sergeant who has had 3 tours in Iraq, 2 in Afghanistan, and has several commendations for whatever. A good leader consults and relies on these soldiers, as they know what they are doing, and can effectively lead.

In this situation, Shepard would be the gunny. And you wouldn't have the Lt. say "Uhhh, I'm clueless. Shepard, you lead and I'll follow".

It won't make sense if Kaidan is assigned to the ship detail and is taking orders from Shepard. He can be assigned in another role that would allow him to not be directly in the chain of command. By doing that, he still has to respect Shepard as the CO of the ship, and there is no conflict of a Staff Commander serving under a Lt. Cmdr in battle (cause he's technically just tagging along)

Or, just promote Shepard and be done with it.


EDIT: And the argument is moot for Ashley. She is a Lieutenant now (same rank as Jacob if he takes the offer), which is still beneath Lt. Cmdr Shepard. Nothing to worry about there.

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 05 juillet 2011 - 03:49 .

[Annihilator27]

If Kaiden tries to pull anything, I want a renegade intterupt to right hook his a**. I still need to have a few "words" with him after the horizon incident.

[Lucasinno]

I thought you lost all of your right to command people when becoming a spectre, remember that the Alliance put the Normandy Crew under the Command of Spectre Shepard.

[JayhartRIC]

How do people know Shepard is a Lt. Commander. I remember him being called Commander.

[Augustei]

Lucasinno wrote...

I thought you lost all of your right to command people when becoming a spectre, remember that the Alliance put the Normandy Crew under the Command of Spectre Shepard.

When he became a spectre though he never actually left the Alliance Millitary, if he did he probably wouldn't have the normandy at all or a crew. Shepard is both Alliance Millitary and Spectre.. Unless he told the council to shove it in ME2 and never got his spectre status back then he is just Alliance Millitary which the devs said he has come back to in ME3.

But yeah he never left it upon becoming a spectre, thats why we bumped into Rear Admiral Mikhailovich on the citadel and he complained and thats why Admiral Hackett kept giving us missions after becoming a spectre.

So Shepard was still a Lieutenant-Commander.. Idk if he will still hold that title come ME3 or be demoted / promoted But due to his Court Marshalling being interrupted, his reaper theory being proved right and him having the trust and respect of two of the Alliances primary Admirals i'd say he hols onto his title and/or is promoted instead of being demoted.

[Augustei]

JayhartRIC wrote...

How do people know Shepard is a Lt. Commander. I remember him being called Commander.

On the Wiki, and in an old Casey Hudson interview.. I think its in the in-game codex as well. There are two ranks associated with being called Commander; Lieutenant Commander which Shepard held in ME1.. and probably in ME3 unless he gets promoted. And Staff Commander the rank above it which is Kaidans rank in ME2. Theres no rank just called Commander though if someone is called Commander its associated with one of those two ranks (in the world of ME anyway)

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 05 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .

[Han Shot First]

Crimson Sound wrote...

Really? Shepard should have been promoted to Captain the moment he was given control of the Normandy. Commanding Officers of any vessel are always referred to as "Captain" regardless. Sure he became a Spectre, but he was still Alliance. One of the biggest complaints about most game protagonists is that they're never promoted. I think it's incredibly stupid how that works.  He saves the galaxy and gets a pat on the back, but he accidentally kills a Batarian colony and he gets court martialed by the Alliance.  Funny how that works. 

Of course the argument can be made that the name is iconic, but it's only iconic because the character has remained a commander for two games. Shepard is still an iconic name. Please Bioware, promote Shepard to Captain.

You are confusing rank and billet.

The person in command of a ship is always captain of the vessel, but he doesn't always necessarily hold the rank of Captain. Smaller vessels in many navies are often commanded by Lt. Commanders, or their equivalent rank.

Of course Shepard probably should have been promoted after the Battle of the Citadel.

[knightnblu]

XxDeonxX wrote...

So in ME2 we find out Kaidan was promoted to the rank of Staff-Commander while Shepard is out, in ME3 apparently Ashley Williams has reached the rank of 2nd lieutenant where she was promoted to operations chief while shepard was out, so risen 1 more rank between me2 and me3 so its quite possible Kaiden may even be being cosidered or already be a Major / Captain. So with Shepard rejoining the Systems Alliance in ME3 does that mean we have to start taking orders from Kaidan now since he is out commanding officer and outranks us? or is he going to calmly step aside and let shepard take the reins of command?

I personally dont like the idea of being given orders from kaidan.. lucky for me he didn't survive Virmire and by ME3 theres still 2 ranks between Shepard and Ashley Williams =P but for those who saved Kaidan on Virmire.. What will you do if Kaidan starts giving you commands  especially those that conflict with your Shepards views?

The VS is now a Spectre and as Udina once said, Spectre's get their own ships and crews. I am still not convinced that Shepard is still the CO of the Normandy. It may very well be the VS who is in command and that by definition means that they outrank you aboard the ship. I like that idea because it introduces new dynamics into your relationships with the VS.
 
I find it very unlikely that the Alliance would hand over command to Shepard given that he is being Court Martialed for being AWOL, a mass murderer, and for treason. In short, Shepard has some 'splianing to do. That leaves the newly refitted Normandy devoid of a captain and the VS/Spectre is the natural choice.
 
The VS Spectre status also adds new dimensions to interactions with he VS. That alone makes them a wild card for in game events and could lead to problems if not handled deftly.

[Cypher0020]

well I always ask for reinstatement so my Shep/Kaidan equal each other out lol

[Han Shot First]

The VS is now a Spectre and as Udina once said, Spectre's get their own ships and crews. I am still not convinced that Shepard is still the CO of the Normandy. It may very well be the VS who is in command and that by definition means that they outrank you aboard the ship. I like that idea because it introduces new dynamics into your relationships with the VS.

Shepard got his own ship and crew only because he needed it for his mission, and since he was also a Lt Commander in the Alliance fleet, he could also remain in command of the Normandy. If Shepard had instead been a civilian intelligence operative that was made a Spectre, the Normandy may still have been assigned to him for his mission, but it would have had an Alliance officer in command. Shepard's role would have been more like Nihlus in the run up to Eden Prime.

Consider that of all the Spectres we meet Shepard is the only one who is also the commanding officer of a warship. He commands that warship not because he's a Spectre, but because he's also a Lt Commander in the Alliance Fleet.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:18 .

[Saberchic]

Kaidan outranking Shep used to bother me. It doesn't so much now. I assume he's dome something awesome to get promoted.

If Shep is reinstated, my guess is that he/she will be an equal rank to Kaidan because there's no way Shep is taking orders from him. Sorry, my paragons, paragades, renegades, etc. won't except it.

Shep has the most experience with fighting the reapers and collectors. Shep will be calling the shots.

[DCarter]

Did Kaidan headbutt a krogan? Oh he didn't? Well shut up then.

[Bluko]

Well this problem can be rectified by making Shepard a Staff Commander instead of Lt. Commander. I always thought it was a bit odd that Shepard was in no way shape or form promoted at all for their actions. Especially since Shepard died you'd think they would have gotten some kind of posthumous promotion. All things considered you'd think Shepard probably would have earned the rank of Captain by ME2.

Although if I remember right Shepard says he had to give up his commission upon becoming a Spectre.

Though this seems to grate with the fact that both Kaidan and Ashley are Spectres and have both been promoted several ranks. Ashley should really still be an Operations Chief since Non-Commissioned Officers (NCOs) rarely become Commissioned Officers since that usually requires some additional training.

It also seems a bit strange Kaidan jumped two ranks, but Ashley only jumped one. Really it would have been a lot more sensible for Kaidan to be a Lt. Commander. Then we also wouldn't have the issue of Kaidan outranking Shepard. As Shepard has seniority with the rank of Lt. Commander, Alenko would pretty much have to defer to Shepard's decisions.

[C9316]

I thought being a spectre meant shep was above rank so what does it matter if Kaidan outranks shep in the alliance? Now I know some people didn't get reinstated as spectres but....

[HiddenKING]

Kaidan is dead in my games so I don't care

[SynheKatze]

I think people tend to forget about social or military standards when life threatening situations arrive, the one with the most experience becomes the leader, and that man/woman is none but Shepard.

[Thugcry01]

It's Shepard's ship. I think that alone supersedes Kaidans rank. Shep's boat, Shep's in charge.

[Jaron Oberyn]

HiddenKING wrote...

Kaidan is dead in my games so I don't care

Same here. Carth doesn't even get a chance to rank up.


-Polite

[Augustei]

Thugcry01 wrote...

It's Shepard's ship. I think that alone supersedes Kaidans rank. Shep's boat, Shep's in charge.

It was TIM's Ship, Claimed by the Alliance.. Shepard never owned the Normandy so if he trys to play that card he will loose

[JayhartRIC]

If he didn't get promoted in ME1, there is no reason for him to get promoted in ME2 and even less reason for him to get promoted in ME3.  If he hadn't died, he surely would have been promoted.  But dying definitely would put a wrinkle in that.