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[corey_russell]

Follow up on Constitution:

Official D&D definition of Constitution is simply "Health and Stamina (endurance, my emphasis)". So since they didn't assign weights going to assume each is 50% of a total CON score. Since I have excellent health (18 x 50%=9) plus average endurance/stamina (1/2 of 9=4 or 5) that would put my con at 13-14.

[BelgarathMTH]

I think it's pertinent to this discussion to point out something about hit points that was written up in a few paragraphs in the 2nd Edition AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide by Gary Gygax himself.

He pointed out that it is absurd to think that a fighter with 100+ hit points is actually withstanding being hit by a fireball, two lacerations to limbs from swords, and an assortment of fractured bones from mace and club blows, all the while swinging a weapon, wearing heavy armor, and using good fighing technique in top form. No human being can take that kind of punishment.

Rather, he said that the total hit points is meant to represent, abstractly, how fresh you are in the fight, and how skilled you are at defending.

Thus, a hit that deals, say 10 points of damage does not necessarily mean you actually got hit with a weapon; rather, it means you had a close call and narrowly avoided a lethal blow. And you could imagine every "hit" as some attack that bypassed your skills in some way, or made you dodge into a less advantageous position, or wore down your concentration a bit, etc, etc.

It then makes much more sense that a 1st level character may only have 7-10 hit points, while the master fighter has more than 100.

[corey_russell]

What's funny is a dwarven fighter can easily have 100 HP at level 10-12, and Firkraag, a huge mighty dragon only has 85. : )

[Windfoot]

Ok, loaded easy tutu and started as a monk. This time when I ran across the fighter/thief and Necro they helped me and gave me a healing potion (must be the higher cha). So I decided to join with them and help them...Imoen and I had just run afoul of a bunch of giberlings. Though we killed them all they did alot of damage to me. Monks definately aren't tanks. So, when they gave me a healing potion I felt indebted to help them (and the fighter/thief hinted that I was in their debt).

It's nice to be able to use the BG2 interface in BG1.

[touch_of_the_void]

These are my results from that Which D&D Character Am I? I'm not planning to enter this challenge at the moment but I'll play this character at some point, why not.

True Neutral Human Sorcerer

Str 13
Dex 13
Con 13
Int 17
Wis 13
Cha 13

Hmm, five 13s. Too bad 13 is not really helpful for the physical stats in AD&D...

Also the alignment was a pretty close thing, somewhere around Neutral Good - Lawful Neutral - True Neutral is probably about right.


Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (19)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (19)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (15)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXX (8)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXXX (4)

Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXXXXXX (8)
Neutral - XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaos --- XXXX (4)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXX (11)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXX (12)
Evil ---- (0)

class-wise I was expecting Wizard, but Sorcerer came out the clear front-runner.

class:
Barbarian - (-6)
Bard ------ XX (2)
Cleric ---- (-4)
Druid ----- (-4)
Fighter --- XX (2)
Monk ------ (-21)
Paladin --- (-19)
Ranger ---- (0)
Rogue ----- (-4)
Sorcerer -- XXXXXXXX (8)
Wizard ---- XXXX (4)

[corey_russell]

Xzar helping you with a potion is in fact a CHA check - Imoen's CHA is good enough to get the free potion. Monks use a thief's HP die (D6) instead of a fighter die (D10) so yes monks are squishy in BG 1. In other runs with monks in a party they usually use range at the lower levels and only assist with weak enemies or once the main tank has the attention of the enemies.

[Grond0]

corey_russell wrote...

Xzar helping you with a potion is in fact a CHA check - Imoen's CHA is good enough to get the free potion. Monks use a thief's HP die (D6) instead of a fighter die (D10) so yes monks are squishy in BG 1. In other runs with monks in a party they usually use range at the lower levels and only assist with weak enemies or once the main tank has the attention of the enemies.

Monks actually use a cleric die (d8), which seems fair to me.  However, where I think they do lose out is that they don't get the HP benefits from constitution above 18.  Given that they are clearly from a martial monk order this has always seemed anomalous to me.  As a result I have tended to give monks I've played maximum HP in the game, which has a roughly equivalent impact to higher constitution bonuses.

[corey_russell]

Thanks for the correction Grond0. To me it doesn't seem anomalous about the monk not getting as much HP as a fighter. To do a modern day equivalent analogy, if a monk were comparable to a ninja and a fighter to a US Marine, the Marine CAN take more damage than the Ninja thanks to his bullet proof vest(armor), tough GI clothing and helmet.

Even in medieval terms, a fighter would have to work out a lot just to carry his weapons and armor, he's going to be tougher physically, in both strength and stamina, because of what he has to go thru every day. The monk wearing, what, nothing? I look at a monk like artillery - he can dish the pain out but not so good at taking it (similar to a Kensai in that respect).

Of course, with no armor, the monk will be agile, but the monk kit already gets lots bonuses to AC as he becomes more experienced.

[BelgarathMTH]

corey_russell wrote...

What's funny is a dwarven fighter can easily have 100 HP at level 10-12, and Firkraag, a huge mighty dragon only has 85. : )

Really? Firkraag only has 85 hit points? That doesn't sound right.

But even if true, Firkraag doesn't have to worry much about getting hit in melee. A 10th level fighter or paladin still has to roll a 20 to hit him. Plus he's going to be Wing Buffeting, and casting Dragon Fear, and instant-casting spells at about three per round.

@Windfoot, good luck on your run. Be cautious and let your armored friends do most of the fighting at first while you practice your physical perfection skills - if you survive, you will eventually become very powerful.

@Grond0, I'm pretty sure monks roll d8 for hit points. EDIT: whoops, never mind, you were actually correcting a post from somebody else.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 05 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[Son of Imoen]

Fun challenge! IRL I'm far too tired to game now, but for starters I did the test.

The result is I Am A: Lawful Good Human Wizard (5th Level)
Ability Scores:[b]
Strength 10
Dexterity 13
Constitution 9
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 9
Charisma 14
[b]Alignment:Lawful Good to my surprise, I've always seen myself as Neutral Good, apparently I'm more law-abiding than I thought, though I find myself extremely at odds with goverment policy in my country right now (that's why I'm too tired to game: spend too much energy standing up against government budget cuts, solidarity ain't what it used to be anymore in Holland, we got some very egotistic people in the government. I'd rather be Chaotic Good right now!).

And with a real-life test DEX would score definitely lower and INT higher, is my guess. Strange to see my dex higher then my int here, it's not how i experience myself.

Wizard is no surprise though.


Alignment:
Lawful Good ----- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (28)
Neutral Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (26)
Chaotic Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (24)
Lawful Neutral -- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (20)
True Neutral ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (18)
Chaotic Neutral - XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (16)
Lawful Evil ----- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Neutral Evil ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaotic Evil ---- XXXXXX (6)

Law & Chaos:
Law ----- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Neutral - XXXXXXXX (8)
Chaos --- XXXXXX (6)

Good & Evil:
Good ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (18)
Neutral - XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Evil ---- (0)

Race:
Human ---- XXXXXXXXXXXXX (13)
Dwarf ---- XXXXXXXX (8)
Elf ------ XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Gnome ---- XXXXXXXXXX (10)
Halfling - XXXXXXXXXXXX (12)
Half-Elf - XXXXXXXX (8)
Half-Orc - XX (2)

class:
Barbarian - (-23)
Bard ------ (-23)
Cleric ---- (-4)
Druid ----- (-21)
Fighter --- (-4)
Monk ------ (0)
Paladin --- XXXX (4)
Ranger ---- (0)
Rogue ----- (-4)
Sorcerer -- XXXX (4)
Wizard ---- XXXXXXXX (8)

Modifié par Son of Imoen, 05 juillet 2011 - 08:52 .

[BelgarathMTH]

@Son of Imoen, feel free to raise your INT a bit and to use that DEX insight by raising it high enough to get at least 1AC bonus.

Remember, the test is only a guideline and is supposed to be fun.

Also, if you did this while tired and frustrated, you probably shortchanged yourself on a lot of questions by selecting "meh, yeah, pretty much" answers instead of the "absolutely, hell yeah, I'm good" answers.

You might want to take it again after a good night's sleep and when you're in a good mood and feeling confident.

Or not. Give yourself the stats and class that you know in your gut is you. "Trust your feelings".

[Grond0]

corey_russell wrote...

Thanks for the correction Grond0. To me it doesn't seem anomalous about the monk not getting as much HP as a fighter. To do a modern day equivalent analogy, if a monk were comparable to a ninja and a fighter to a US Marine, the Marine CAN take more damage than the Ninja thanks to his bullet proof vest(armor), tough GI clothing and helmet.

Even in medieval terms, a fighter would have to work out a lot just to carry his weapons and armor, he's going to be tougher physically, in both strength and stamina, because of what he has to go thru every day. The monk wearing, what, nothing? I look at a monk like artillery - he can dish the pain out but not so good at taking it (similar to a Kensai in that respect).

Of course, with no armor, the monk will be agile, but the monk kit already gets lots bonuses to AC as he becomes more experienced.

I agree in relation to strength, which is why I think it's fair that monks don't get exceptional strength.  As I said above I also think it's reasonable to use a d8 rather than d10 so that fighters would still have an advantage.  However, as referred to above, HPs in D&D are more about the ability to reduce / avoid damage than they are to soak up real physical damage.  I would have thought on this standard a martial arts master like a Shaolin monk (I would see ninjas as more akin to assassins) would surely rank rather higher than a GI (talking about hand to hand combat of course).

[corey_russell]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

corey_russell wrote...

What's funny is a dwarven fighter can easily have 100 HP at level 10-12, and Firkraag, a huge mighty dragon only has 85. : )

Really? Firkraag only has 85 hit points? That doesn't sound right.

Wow, I am not on a roll it seems. Yes you are right, Belgarath, according to numerous web sources he has 184 HP. I got 85 from somewhere, maybe I added it up on the screen? Must have missed a few lines.

Modifié par corey_russell, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[Carinna]

Okay, I took it back up where I left off (i.e. got killed the first time), at Carnival, exploring the nearby woods. Ran into the ogre berserker again, Khalid and Jaheira went down and this time the rest of us ran (much more realistic). Unfortunately, we ran right into a kobold ambush so had to turn around and run another way - back towards the ogre, around him (fortunately he's kinda slow), and then after we got a bit away, we shot arrows at him. He was down to near death at the time Jaheira died, so after a couple of spurts of run, turn, shoot, he died. Then all we had to do was mop up the kobolds, which we managed to do. Then the three of us stood around trying to figure out how to lug all of Jahiera and Khalid's armor back to town. We finally gave up on Jahiera's armor and just took the rest of the stuff (no strength to carry it otherwise). Raised Khalid for 100gp, but didn't have enough for Jaheira, so went and sold the stuff we'd gotten from the crazy mage in the tent. Came back and the price for raise dead had doubled, but we had it and raised Jahiera. She partially healed herself and Khalid, and then she insisted on going back to Carnival for her armor before it was stolen by scavengers (it hadn't been). We came back and spent the night at the inn. Oh, yeah, for killing the ogre, I finally went up to level 2.

[corey_russell]

Interesting story there Carinna. With any luck the rest of your battles for the rest of your adventure won't be this chaotic (though it would make interesting reading).

[BelgarathMTH]

ROFLMAO Carinna! I can just hear all the screeching and see all the panicked desperate running! ROFLMAO!

I wanted to ask you after that first death why you didn't run away from that gods-damned ogre! Also, are you sure you wouldn't start to develop at least a little skill as a strategist if you got "quantum-leaped" into this world all of a sudden and met Jaheira? At the very least, I would think she and Khalid would take you under their wing (you've quantum leaped into the body of their best friend's child), and teach you.

Jaheira and Khalid would certainly know better than to keep going toe-to-toe with an ogre that they were no match for. So either Jaheira would take command and order you to scatter and attack at range, or Jaheira would take command (that's what she does in the presence of weakness - without hesitation, oh omnipresent-authority-figure <hmph> - and order everybody to RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!

I think you're playing this too much as though you would actuallly be in control of Jaheira and Khalid. Jaheira would take charge as soon as she saw your "immaturity" vis a vis their world, and she wouldn't let you breathe without her permission!

Not until she saw some sign of learned competent leadership from you.

BTW - I'm entering my current run in the minimal reloads thread. I think it actually qualifies for this one, too, although my stats may be a little high.

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:36 .

[Carinna]

BelgarathMTH wrote...
I wanted to ask you after that first death why you didn't run away from that gods-damned ogre!

I suppose because it takes awhile to ditch the idea that I'm not playing a game with an heroic character, but just playing me.  If it was really me, yes, I'd run away as soon as J & K were both down, of course. 

Jaheira would take command (that's what she does in the presence of weakness

LOL!!  Interesting.  That's what I tend to do in real life.  If no one can make a decision, I make it and plow through.  And I absolutely cannot stand Jaheira (only staying with her on recommendation, but I'm sure there will eventually come a reckoning).  But I see Jaheira as taking over unless you actively stop her, not just stepping in to fill a void.

I think you're playing this too much as though you would actuallly be in control of Jaheira and Khalid. Jaheira would take charge as soon as she saw your "immaturity" vis a vis their world, and she wouldn't let you breathe without her permission!

Well, if she did that, she would be gone and I would really be dead because we'd never get along (not that I wouldn't need her guidance, but she would overdo it and try to guide me in stuff I already know, which would irritate me to death).  In "normal" games, the ogre isn't a problem; so why would Jaheira suddenly decide it's a problem here? (She doesn't know I'm not really the bhaalspawn).  In fact, when Khalid died, her reaction was not "whoa!  this is way too difficult for us to finish, let's run," but (to the ogre), "You'll pay for killing him."  Sure, as the omnipotent authority figure I have the power to force her to run anyway, but it didn't sound like she wanted to.  And should we have left her there alone?

BTW - I'm entering my current run in the minimal reloads thread. I think it actually qualifies for this one, too, although my stats may be a little high.

Okay.  Maybe we should post there anyway, just stating that we are doing this special case.  It sort of fits the requirements there, which also include no metagaming.

[Saint of Sinners]

I've done this a lot of times before with other games. Anyway, here's how I arrived at whatever stats I'm going to present. I'm too busy with an NR right now so I might not run this but at least I can have a placeholder until the time comes.

I can benchpress 200lbs. I stop moving at 240lbs. I can lug around 100 pounds easily, encumbrance starts to hit at 160. I'd say that 200 is the maximum I can do, which puts me easily at 17-18 strength.

I was a trackster and javelin thrower in HS. I'm a wrestler right now in the university, and I am also an MMA fighter. I'm not entirely dextrous, but I've got enough meat for cannon fodder. I solve Rubik's cubes consistently at speeds of sub-20's, and even sub-15's back in the day. I'd put my Dex and Con somewhere in the 15-16 range.

Int was a little difficult. I memorized all of the spells in the manual including their icons and schools, assigned a random word for each, and tried to remember it overnight. I ended up memorizing almost all of it (I messed up with Prot. from Energy and Prot. from Elements icon-wise, and some others), which means I can basically memorize any spell. As memorization is the only thing Int affects in-game anyway, I'd say I was a 16-17. If real-life standards are to be used, well, I'm MENSA-approved as a 168.

Wisdom and Cha are highly subjective at this point so I just asked my fiance. Wisdom was a 11, she said, because she told me that it's only at the beginning of HS (13 in our place) do you start really thinking about life in general. Since I'm 23, she gave me one point for every year after our elementary years. For Charisma, well, she's my fiance. Go figure.

That ends up with me being a contender with the ff. stats:
Str - 17
Dex - 16
Con - 16
Int - 17
Wis - 11
Cha -

Anyway, as for a class, I think I'd take a Fighter/Mage because that's what I'm going to go for if I was in D&D. If not that, perhaps a full-fledged Sorcerer or Mage. Anyway, good luck to you guys! Will read up on your exploits!

[BelgarathMTH]

@Carinna, (shoot, I wish I had the forum skill to answer quote by quote like you, but I don't)

First, of course, Jaheira went berserk after you ordered her and Khalid to attack an ogre, and she reluctantly followed your orders because she thought you were Gorion's child and a Bhaalspawn, and you promptly got the love of her life killed! What do you expect?

Geez, are you really so rigid in your thinking (Rigid Thinking is actually a Death Spell in your new reality) in the real world that you would not defer to the judgment of actual natives of your new world? Just because they have the audacity to try to lead a group with you in it? Gosh, I guess that means you deserve what you're going to get. Welcome to Faerun, my new friend. 

You have been quantum-leaped here. You have heightened senses and access to some kind of power you can feel tingling at the edge of your awareness.

And what you're going to do with it, is take Jaheira's and Khalid's offer of guidance, and just because you don't like Jaheira, order them to commit suicide against an ogre while they still trust you?

Gosh, are you sure your alignment isn't some form of evil, or is your INT in real life a 3 or something?

LOL - I don't mean any of that to be insulting, and if we were interacting in person, you would see that I am trying to communicate with you across cyberspace with good humor and hope that we are both having fun.

But really, if you want to do this "the real me in Faerun" game, I would suggest to you that you are not as suicidal as you are making yourself out to be. This new world that you have quantum-leaped into is offering you Power. Take it and use it. And listen to the natives who are trying to be your friends, for Oghma's sake!

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:42 .

[Carinna]

Heh heh.  Let's see:

BelgarathMTH wrote...
@Carinna, (shoot, I wish I had the forum skill to answer quote by quote like you, but I don't)

When you press the quote button, you'll see the word "quote" in brackets at the beginning and end of what the other person wrote.  The end quote just has a "/" in front of it (inside the brackets).  Just copy those quotes in brackets around whatever you want to quote, as many times as you want to separate something out.  Be sure and put the "/" in front of the ending quote for each one, though, or you'll make a mess

First, of course, Jaheira went berserk after you ordered her and Khalid to attack an ogre, and she reluctantly followed your orders because she thought you were Gorion's child and a Bhaalspawn, and you promptly got the love of her life killed! What do you expect?

Hey, she didn't get mad at me, she got mad at the ogre.  Jaheira is an adult (she never lets you forget it).  She made her own decision to follow the ogre; certainly if she'd thought we were all too low-level for it, she would have ordered us to run, but she did not.  She's responsible for her own actions, I'm not responsible for them.  And incidentally, we never said, "oh look at that ogre; let's go attack it."  It attacked us out of the fog of war.

Geez, are you really so rigid in your thinking (Rigid Thinking is actually a Death Spell in your new reality) in the real world that you would not defer to the judgment of actual natives of your new world? Just because they have the audacity to try to lead a group with you in it? Gosh, I guess that means you deserve what you're going to get. Welcome to Faerun, my new friend. 

Yeah, I'm that bull-headed.  Well, not really.  I squelch myself all the time when I know I'll just mess stuff up if I explode.  But I don't like it.   

You have been quantum-leaped here. You have heightened senses and access to some kind of power you can feel tingling at the edge of your awareness.

And what you're going to do with it, is take Jaheira's and Khalid's offer of guidance, and just because you don't like Jaheira, order them to commit suicide against an ogre while they still trust you?

Hmmm.  I think this somehow got twisted into a pact of some kind between me and the ogre ...  I absolutely was not thinking "gee, I can't stand Jaheira.  Let me off her and her whiny husband on some bloodthirsty monster and then I won't have to put up with her any more."

Gosh, are you sure your alignment isn't some form of evil, or is your INT in real life a 3 or something?

See above for motivations assigned to me that I don't possess (in refutation of the "evil" accusation :innocent:.  And I don't think lacking common sense is a property of INT.  More like WIS.

LOL - I don't mean any of that to be insulting, and if we were interacting in person, you would see that I am trying to communicate with you across cyberspace with good humor and hope that we are both having fun.

Yes, hope mine came out that way as well. 

But really, if you want to do this "the real me in Faerun" game, I would suggest to you that you are not as suicidal as you are making yourself out to be. This new world that you have quantum-leaped into is offering you Power. Take it and use it. And listen to the natives who are trying to be your friends, for Oghma's sake!

Yeah, I know.  But it's hard.  Especially considering that without metagaming, I'd be stuck investigating the Nashkel mines at this point, and I don't believe I'm ready for that if I can't even handle one ogre.  Normally, I would have explored the entire countryside between the Friendly Arm Inn and Nashkel (killing lots of gibberlings, xvarts, and dogs), building up my levels as I go.  But due to playing me, I wouldn't do those things (we needed to get to Nashkel, so here we are at level 1).  But enough of me whining about it.    Will get back to it tomorrow before my time off work expires ...

edited:  suddenly I can't talk for some reason ...

Modifié par Carinna, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:08 .

[BelgarathMTH]

@Carinna, well, everything you say is of course true for you, but none of it applies to NPC's, who are self-determining entities unto themselves.

I believe that you may be suffering from a failure of imagination here in your own game. In our real world, you have no choice but to "control" the actions of every playable NPC in our imaginary world that we've quantum-leaped into, i.e. the BG game that we are playing on our computers, safe in our own homes.

And we all know that the program AI cannot even begin to play these NPC's for us such that we feel like we are in control of our own actions, and our own actions only. Thinking that the Jaheira program, or the Khalid program, or the Imoen program, could pass the Turing test would make us laughing stocks among our (presumably a bit more intelligent and imaginative than average) peers.

So, in order to play your game and have it be fun to everybody, we all have to use our imaginations. We are writing and telling stories. These stories are limited by nothing at all but our writng skill and , (overusing the word, I know), our imaginations.

If you want to write and tell a story of some altered, idealized version of yourself being a hero in an epic, well, there are other threads for that. (no-reload masters, <cough, cough>).

In what I perceive as the spirit of your own thread here, we are trying to write personal stories that seriously comtemplate and attempt to implement our own personalities through the lens of Baldur's Gate.

What if you woke up tomorrow and got up off the ground in front of what appeared to you to be an inn...and confused, you started walking around and asking people to please help you because you feel strange and don't quite understand your surroundings....and it quickly became apparent that they all saw you as a teen or young adult, and they kept talking to you about how you were the foster child of someone named Gorion, and, etc. etc.?

And what if you quickly discovered that you had powers and/or abilities that would not be considered normal or natural in your life on Earth......?

What would you do? How would you be? Can you survive your..... "Quantum Leap" into the world of Baldur's Gate?

Modifié par BelgarathMTH, 06 juillet 2011 - 03:41 .

[polytope]

Well, I took the Easydamus test, results were slightly surprising:

LG Human Paladin/Cleric

Str 14
Dex 14
Con 15
Int  15
Wis 12
Cha 13

Not actually legal stats for a paladin, or any sort of dual class to cleric. I think fallen paladin might have fit me better as I highly doubt I could live up to the standards of a paladin.

Anyway, I will try the challenge with this character, starting ASAP... I'd like to find a kit that combines both paladin and cleric.

[BelgarathMTH]

polytope wrote...

Well, I took the Easydamus test, results were slightly surprising:

LG Human Paladin/Cleric

Str 14
Dex 14
Con 15
Int  15
Wis 12
Cha 13

Not actually legal stats for a paladin, or any sort of dual class to cleric. I think fallen paladin might have fit me better as I highly doubt I could live up to the standards of a paladin.

Anyway, I will try the challenge with this character, starting ASAP... I'd like to find a kit that combines both paladin and cleric.

Hmm, it looks like the test-evaluation program encountered some kind of tie in your career aptitudes. You seem to have given it a lot of answers that indicated wanting to help the needy, help sick people, help people weaker than yourself, and just generally help, help, help other people.

It also looks like you answered negatively to all questions concerning lying, or cheating, or going back on your word, or trying to circumvent the law. (The test is asking you about real life in the USA in 2011, not about how you think you would act in a fantasy,)

It might shed some light if you posted the detailed instrument raw data at the bottom of your results sheet.

And finally, the test is only a guideline. This thread is about having fun, and trying to imagine yourself, really you, in the world of Baldur's Gate.

[Son of Imoen]

BelgarathMTH wrote...

@Son of Imoen, feel free to raise your INT a bit and to use that DEX insight by raising it high enough to get at least 1AC bonus.

Remember, the test is only a guideline and is supposed to be fun.

Also, if you did this while tired and frustrated, you probably shortchanged yourself on a lot of questions by selecting "meh, yeah, pretty much" answers instead of the "absolutely, hell yeah, I'm good" answers.

You might want to take it again after a good night's sleep and when you're in a good mood and feeling confident.

Or not. Give yourself the stats and class that you know in your gut is you. "Trust your feelings".

Thanks for your reply. If I do feel up to really rolling a character and going with it, it won't be the test's Wizard anyway, but a bard:

Not only because I once have been playing a guitar, but more because it's my work to speak up for crowds, I'm not really an entertainer, but I often get compliments for wording things in appealing way about the rights and worries of people on the poorer side of society. The character that does most public speaking in D&D is a Bard, Wizards spent too much time solitary in their study. The spells come in handy as well, as being able to deal with technology and being able to help people with computer problems, like I can IRL, fits most closest to 'being able to cast magic' - so I will give myself 1250 xp right at the start, not to cheat or play cheese, but because a speaker in public who has some knowledge of technology=magic fits me best.

This will be my make-up, when vacation starts and I have rested enough to create a new campaign:

Bard level 2 (being able to cast magic, but not so good in multi-tasking - not 2 spells at the same time),
Shadowkeeped knowledge of spells: - identify, because I often am able to tell people things they didn't know of before,- armour: as a Faûrun equivalent of the anti-depressive medication I need to take on a daily basis to be able to deal with life and my mental ailment (knowing lots about the world but not being able to cope with that knowledge translates in high INT but poor WIS, is my guess) - a dose which help me survive the day for 12 hours.
proficiencies: staff (I like picking up a branch in the wood, cleaning it of side-branches and use it as a walking staff for fun) & long bow (tried it a few times at open air historical museums and I proved to being able to shoot straight really well)
a bard's pickpocket is the translation of my will to distribute wealth more equally - I will only pickpocket rich people (nobles and merchants) in-game, no druids, no adventurers (fellow travellers in the struggle for a better world)
alignment: NG (most important in life is justice, equity, supporting people who need it to stand 'upright', not upholding the law - the law itself can be evil ! )

STR: 11 (average for a male)
DEX: 10 (I can be clumsy doing the dishes and unattentive in traffic, bringing me into danger easy, compensated by a quick dash to safety or quick grasp of a falling plate from my hands, small pickpocket penalty her, I'd rather talk rich people into paying more tax and donating more, than grabbing it)
CON: 15 (got the flu just as often as an average person, but never had any serious ilness. Did have severe injuries, broken my spine once and give myself this +1hp for how well I recoverd from it: I walk and run just as well as before tumbling of that small cliff)
INT: 16 (I deserve some bonus there, was tested for and applied to Mensa once, though I quit because it didn't appeal to me - I don't whine 'I'm so intelligent, no one understands me').
WIS: 8 (a penalty to Lore, for lack of any other way to account for my mental disability (depressions) and being atheist, WIS 8 denies me the ability to apply to divine favors  )
CHA: 16 (I'm not handsome and shy when it comes to small talk, but I can take a leadership role in a meeting if needed and write and speak inspiring, I am told, which is translated by the bard-song ability as well).

But some needed rest before you'll hear from Son of Imoen actually campaining in Faêrun - 1 more week of work, then vacation starts!

Modifié par Son of Imoen, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:24 .

[Son of Imoen]

@Saint of Sinners: I hope I didn't offend you with what I've told about my experience with Mensa. It would be an interesting discussion how IQ translates to INT. I've made my 142 Mensa score into 16 INT, so if I was right, you should definitely grant yourself 17. Or am I giving myself to high a score with 16?

*edit: I see you did. I make up my posts while scrolling down & I posted faster than I scrolled. LOL.

@Carinna and Belgarath: your meta-discussion about being yourself in Faûrun, decision-making and personal stance to Jaheira is both fun to read and insightful. I agree with Carinna's remark about the distinction between INT and WIS. I always had some trouble comprehending the distinction, but about translating my own mental talents vs. mental weaknesses in D&D terms, the distinction got clearer to me. I translate INT into knowing what's going on in the world and WIS into knowing how to deal with it - and with people of course.

A technical question: do you play with or without tactical mods? I use SCS, but it's because of my meta-gaming knowledge I need SCS to make the game interesting. Without meta-gaming, isn't an SCS install far too difficult?

Modifié par Son of Imoen, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:50 .