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[corey_russell]

If you're going to do #4, you should post the chart about the strength - I sure haven't memorized the weight can lift/corresponding STR stat relationships. Also might be a bit unfair to women -- if she would be a fighter by personality, don't see why she couldn't be 17 STR for example if she was strong for a woman. Just to pre-empt, this isn't sexist as it's proven by both studies and common experience that men have more upper body muscle mass than women.

Also, I am not sure about #1. We already have minimal reload thread and a no-reload thread, do we need another similar thread? Also it's not really a competition, but to reveal more about ourselves. I thought the idea of this thread was to put stats close as can to yourself, do the choices you would actually do, and share what happens with the rest of us. More deaths is expected, since most of us won't have max stats, and being yourself can get you killed in Faerun. Also, if you were really there, you wouldn't be meta-gaming. (example: You meet a mage walking to you at the Friendly Arm Inn. He may just want to ask about the weather or even one of the friends Gorion mentioned, you don't KNOW he means you harm (unless you are a paladin - detect evil) until after he talks to you. I know I meta-game heavily on him normally but won't if I am able to enter this challenge).

[Krazy Solo]

You have a valid point on number 1... So we will just deal with the rest.

I understand the logic behind female vs male, but it still holds true. If you can carry a weight on your shoulders then doesn't matter your gender.

If I recall 18 strength allows 250 weight limit. 10 is 70 weight. 180 weight difference from 10 to 18. I also know 20 strength is 500 if i recall from playing my Shapeshifter. So it really not gimping alot of players. Just we are so use to maximizing our characters that we forget 10 in any given stat is average.

I'll see if i cannot get a good table set up for the stats. This way we all play equally with our stats! This challange should be held with honesty at best.

I would expect all players who participate play the game without knowledge of the events that will unfold as you play. Pick answers that you yourself would take. Avoid treasure hunting for items. Also for spellcasters you would pick spells that you would learn and use atm in the game not knowing what might later be needed.

The one thing a power gamer will struggle with is not using foreknowledge in the gameplay experience.

[corey_russell]

Krazy Solo wrote...

The one thing a power gamer will struggle with is not using foreknowledge in the gameplay experience.

Indeed. But there ARE ways to get forenknowledge with strictly game mechanics, such as a stealthed character scouting (thought attacking someone without their declared intent would be a bit dubious unless your character is chaotic evil), also Farsight (love that spell).

Like I said I am expecting lot more deaths, since this means much more often will be unbuffed unless in a dungeon.

[Son of Imoen]

Taking stats as if in your prime or taking stats as you currently are should be an option, I'm against making 'in your prime' stats a rule. Some people might be more comforrtable playing how they would experience it if they found themselves trapped in Faerûn as they are now. I certainly would. I was in my prime when I was 18 before my disability struck, but it wouldn't feel like playing me if I played the happy careless person I was before my depressions struck - it's a distant memory, like it's someone else..And Iwant to play me in Faerûn (still intend to continue after the point of my demise at the hand of the spiders in Landrin's house, but I want to complete some of my 7+ ongoing campaigns first).

[Krazy Solo]

Well if you was trapped in Faerun you would want your stats to be closer to what you would be. Not to be persistance, but it is a challenge that many cannot conceed too.

For example... If you can only lift and carry 70 pounds without being hindered, then your Strength stat is 10. What would this do. It makes you less efficient as a fighter, but maybe you want to be a fighter.

Somewhere along the lines there needs to be a guideline for stats so it doesn't have to be 100% accurate but gives a stat placement for individuals without feeling gimped compared to other characters.

I think I've came up with a stat system that could be great for this type of challenge. 

Strength stat is based on how much you can carry without being slowed. So a Strength of 9=50, 10=70, 11=80, 12=90, 13=100, 14=110, 15=120, 16=150, 17=200, 18=250, 19=500 (I might be off on some these but their fairly close to accurate i believe).

Dexerity stat is how agile and how good you hand eye coordination is. Dexerity of 9-11= average, 12-14=above average, 15-17=superior, 18+=flawless.

Constitution is your threshold for pain, physical condition, and immunity to illness. Constitution of 9=below average, 10-11=average, 12-13=above average, 14-15=superior, 16-17=flawless, 18+=Perfect.

Intelligence is your ability to learn, reason, and knowledge. Intelligence of 9=average, 10-13=above average, 14-16=border genius, 17-19=genius.

Wisdom is your willpower to mentally resist, your ability to observe your surrounding. Wisdom of 9=Average, 10-13=above average, 14-16=superior, 17-18=flawless.

Charisma is your appearance to others, your ability to manipulate reactions, and how persuasive you are. Charisma of 9 = average, 10-13=above average, 14-16=superior, 17-18=flawless.

Let me know if there is any changes that might be needed.

Based on the guideline above I would be, 12 strength, 12 dexerity, 18 con, 16 int, 13 wis, 9 cha. Now depending on what class i choose these stats may change to acknowledge the minimum stat of such class. For Example if i wanted to be a Druid. My Wisdom stat would be 14, and my Charisma 15.

As you can see the guideline is flexible enough to allow yourself to be any class of choice even if you don't meet the minimum stat requirement initially.

Ok now with that out of the way the rule realignment is simple for this challenge.

1. Determine your stats

2. Pick your Race and class

3. Adjust your stats according to the minimum stats for class

4.  No reloading, except for glitches, bugs, and upon death

5. Do and act as if you was in faerun.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 29 juillet 2011 - 11:12 .

[Krazy Solo]

Ok unless there is any objection to the stat brackets, I'm gonna go ahead and remake for the last time my T.I.F. (Trapped In Faerun) file.

==Information==

I'll be playing from BG2 SoA to ToB without mods. Vanilla all the way through.

=Name: I will be using my first name with a Faerun twist to it.
=class: Shapeshifter (Druid Kit)
=Alignment: True Neutral
=Stats: Str 12, Dex 12, Con 18, Int 16, Wis 14, Cha 15
=Profiencies: Quarterstaff, 2-handed weapon style, Single Weapon style, Scimitars

Wish me luck on my adventure.

Shame I won't beable to go through BG1 like many might beable too. Which would mean I could have gotten increases in stats from tomes . Oh well we all can't have everything.

Although my skill set would translate better as a Fighter/Thief, but mentally I think being a druid is cool. So my natural choice is being a Druid. After all the concept of the challenge was based on a question. What would it be like if you was Trapped in Faerun? So based on that we would assume you would try to become what you enjoy rather than being something that bores you.

[lroumen]

Don't feel restricted in your questioning. I've been thinking about the stat point distribution that I was suggested by the questionnaire. Just play as you like, as long as you use the chat/response options which you feel accurate to your personal reactions. I think that that is the spirit of the playthrough.

One the bright side for me. I have the time to start out, so I will. I have changed my statistics to the following:
class: Thief
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (was Chaotic Evil)
Ability Scores:
Strength: 9 (was 10)
Dexterity: 16 (was 19)
Constitution: 10 (was 11)
Intelligence: 15
Wisdom: 17
Charisma: 15

More realistic for the BG world. Eventhough I think a PhD degree in exact sciences counts for more than 15 int I stuck with it. Evil vs Neutral. If you check my graph you see only 1 more point for evil than neutral and lots of good in it as well. I'm averaging that one. Law vs Chaos is adequate eventhough averaging does bring me closer to Neutral in the end.

[Krazy Solo]

Sadly everytime I try to determin the strength progression it is weird.

9 is 50, 10 is 70, 13 is 90, 14 is 120, 15 is 150, 18/-- from 200 to 350, 19 is 500, 20 is 550...

Seems the value is oddly progressive.

Because of my thinking and adjusting stats i've come to conclusion I've no clue how to progress the stat value. Even worst now I'm thinking maybe I should be a F/T Multiclass dwarf at the least or Human Berserker -> Thief dual. As you know when it comes to decisions on what you are in a video game is objective to what you have done and learned.

Well do to the ever persistant presure of getting things exactly right I've been remaking characters at a dumb founding rate.

At last I have finally come to conclusion that I've been going at it the wrong way. So rather than trying to be perfect, just live with the fact some things are just gonna be unperfect.

With that in mind, I've decided that I will just go ahead and play the F/T Multiclass.

class: Fighter/Thief
Race: Dwarf
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Stats: Str 14, Dex 12, Con 18, Int 16, Wis 13, Cha 9
Profiencies: Quarterstaff*, Spear*, Long Bow*, Short Bow*, 2 Handed Weapon Style**

This is the last time I'll be remaking. Regardless how displease I become later. My character is not a combat guru, but a tactical minded person that believes being smarter is better than brute strength. I may lack the strength and agility to be a frontline super soldier, but I make up being sturdy and smart.

Sure I wont be winning any prizes being optimal, but that is besides the point. Now I beg to question would it be fair to boost my stats by a few to make up for the lack of not being able to play through BG1? At least in terms what Tomes would easily be attaind?

This would boost my stats to 15 str, 13 dex, 19 con, 17 int, 16 wis, 10 cha.  Would that be fair or is some of the tomes not easily gotten by all players initially?  I guess I will just have to accept that it be fair for myself to include the tomes that are available in BG1 since I cannot play it..

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 01 août 2011 - 03:19 .

[Krazy Solo]

Since a uninspiring mod saw it fit to lock the other thread out unreasonable justification, I wont be posting lengthy updates again. So if you was hoping for nice write up you can blame said moderator.

My F/T Dwarf has cleared Irenicus Dungeon had rested at the Mithrest Inn. I stop playing at that point will continue at a later time.

[corey_russell]

Krazy Solo wrote...

Sure I wont be winning any prizes being optimal, but that is besides the point. Now I beg to question would it be fair to boost my stats by a few to make up for the lack of not being able to play through BG1? At least in terms what Tomes would easily be attaind?

As Carinna stated in the beginning the stats are what YOU think you would be. You can use the web site's suggestions, but that's just a suggestion. She also stated that at the same time she's isn't asking anyone to be gimped. E.g., if someone in real life has a horrible constitution, and that person thinks they should give themselves a 5 CON, it's okay to give more to be less gimpish.

BG 1 tomes are irrelevant - this is not a "power game" thread. Carrina has a thread for that, if that's what you are interested in.

[Krazy Solo]

corey_russell wrote...

BG 1 tomes are irrelevant - this is not a "power game" thread. Carrina has a thread for that, if that's what you are interested in.

Its relevant to me as I don't have Baldur's Gate 1.  As such I would not have the opportunity to obtain them.  I was wondering if it would be wise to assume I would find them all if i was to play through Baldur's Gate 1?  Has nothing to do with power gaming.  If that was the case I would be trying to rationalize having 18 str and 18 dex which are not my strongest attributes by a long shot.

Even with the tomes they barely raise my stat values up to semie specialize lvls.  After all my logic behind the stats is not to make the strongest possible character, but realistically attaching my character to BG1 lore where the Tomes are available.  Only tomes I would assume I miss would be one of the wisdom tomes, but I wouldn't know as I never played BG1.

As far as stat value goes, I've clearly stated that the minimum stats for a class has priority over actual stat value.  Say you have 5 con, but want to be a Ranger, that automatically gets put at the class minimum value.  Since this game has stat restrictions for classes you never truely have a gimped stat unless your playing a class that boost your weak stats.  Even then you cannot justify saying that weak stats gimp a character.  If that was the case then Minsc would be the worst character in the game in bg2.

As far as the challenge goes it truelly a Roleplay Challenge.  Not your traditional challenge where your power gaming skills take full swing, but a challenge where your patience must be solid.

For Example:  You meet Aerie in the Circus Tent, A) You insult the creature as an Ogre, Confused by the voice, C) Remain Composed and find out information, or D) Attack without reservation?

Depending on your personal level of morality will dictact your response, but how many can truely play as Evil when its themself being judged?  I would say 80% of the players would choose B or C out of curiousity but be cautious of tricks.  Of course there are individuals who are headstrong and arrogant don't care about anyone but themselves.  Yet how many of those individuals truely play games?  Not many, at least not RPGs.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 01 août 2011 - 04:43 .

[corey_russell]

Krazy Solo wrote...

corey_russell wrote...

BG 1 tomes are irrelevant - this is not a "power game" thread. Carrina has a thread for that, if that's what you are interested in.

Its relevant to me as I don't have Baldur's Gate 1.  As such I would not have the opportunity to obtain them.

Let me explain then why I said it's irrelevant. This challenge was posted in the BG 2 forums, not BG 1. This means EVERYONE starts in BG 2 and not BG 1 - which means none of us have the tomes. So whether you own Baldur's Gate 1 is not releveant for this challenge.

For someone to go all the way through BG 1 just for the stat books for this challenge would be pointless - they should just set the stats to what they want rather than going through all that. Likewise, that's my suggestion to you - set your stats what you want and forget about the tomes.

[Krazy Solo]

Then, during the course of the gameplay, have the PC react the way you would if you were thrust into the PC's situation (start with BG1Tutu or BGT unless you don't own BG1).

I say you missed the part where Carinna said you would start in BG1. Unless you don't own it Corey.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 01 août 2011 - 04:53 .

[corey_russell]

My apologies. I forgot about that tidbit. I do have BG 1, but I prefer to play unmodded so looks like I won't be entering this challenge like I thought I would. According to that, I would have to install BG1Tutu or BGT. My installation works great, would rather not have to mess with it.

Also, according to that, maybe should should alter your stats for the tomes. To my knowledge:
- 1 strength tome
- 1 constitution tome
- 1 dexterity tome
- 1 intelligence tome
- 3 wisdom tomes
- 1 charisma tome

There may be more, I am not fully aware of everything in TotSC areas.

Modifié par corey_russell, 01 août 2011 - 08:32 .

[Krazy Solo]

To Be Honest I wouldn't worry to much about the tutu or trilogy installs. This only hinders those who want to be sorcerers, monks, and barbarians. I'm assuming those who are mages can still import to get Wild Mage.

I would just go ahead and playthrough BG1 if you want if not don't worry about it. Do like I did play the character as an Amnesiac person who forgotten everything prior to awakening in Irenicus dungeon.

[corey_russell]

Even though my character, has high INT, the web site suggested cleric. Although interestingly enough, I definitely prefer melees when I play BG for fun. For a caster class, however, cleric is definitely is the one I would use. Being a pure mage has never been an attractive idea for me (if I play mages, I usually player fighter/mages).

Hmm, another cleric run, how many of those have I done now (hint: lots). Although if it the choices I would REALLY do, I can see some different results, I tend to power game with the exception I rarely kill unarmed citizens unprovoked.

As an example, when the mayor suggests investigating the mines, I would probably do so immediately (as I did the VERY first time I ever played BG 1) in real life. I remember ton of reloads that run, I dreaded going to the mines (then). I was actually nervous the first time through, partly due the ambience (things like miners saying "I think I am coughing up blood" and other sounds)

EDIT: not submitting an entry until my current run with Lotan in the BG 2 no reload thread ends. (read dies or kills Melissan). He's currently in spellhold.

Modifié par corey_russell, 01 août 2011 - 09:20 .

[Carinna]

corey_russell wrote...

I prefer to play unmodded so looks like I won't be entering this challenge like I thought I would.

???  This sounds like a non-sequitor.  What does not having BGT or Tutu have to do with anything?  If you don't have them, you can still start in BG1 if you own it and import into BG2 on completion.  My apologies if I gave the impression that the "big" game was somehow required - it was my own preference for consistent graphics coming through (and the knowledge after I'd written a book about it that I really should have posted in the BG1 forum so I added the BGT and Tutu part to make it fit more here).  But please, go ahead and start with BG1 - I put that because the PC in BG1 is just starting out so I thought it would feel more "normal" for the character that way.  I like how KrazySolo has adapted it for BG2 by playing an amnesiac, though (although someone could just as well get dropped in there with everyone expecting them to act like a hero and have full memory that they aren't in fact the person the others think they are).

[corey_russell]

Very good. When Lotan's runs ends, will try it and see how it goes with BG 1. I am glad you included BG 1, because to me there seems to be more "role-playing" opportunities there -- what I mean is there are many more actions in BG 1 that affect reputation - I could get reputation like 35 if the cap wasn't 20 as an example.  Also seems many dialog choices in BG 2 have no meaning - some even all the choices are different wording of the same response (both affirmative or both negative)! One annoying example of this is when Nalia gets arrested - the PC has 3 choices, but all choices make the PC promise retribution and make him sound murderous. A calm, sane answer like "Your superiors will hear of this." would be nice, but no was not to be. After all, she was arrested by the Amnish army. And unless the PC intends to start a war with an entire army with only 6 at most people, legal response is the only real option.

An example what I mean about BG 1: on the Sword Coast in BG 1, with the bridges including one with hobgobin elite archers and Ogre Berserkers, you mean a bandit with 5 hobgoblin archers. One choice gives him all your money, the other impresses him so much he takes some money and leaves, and of course the other leads to a fight.

Modifié par corey_russell, 01 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[Krazy Solo]

==Update==

Having heard rumor from the guards that the circus has been closed until matters are resolved got my attention. Curiousity kills the cat, more times than not may get myself killed in the process. As such exploration of the tent lead to bizaar twisted reflection of a gnome Kalah. If it was a battle of wits the delusional Illusionist wanted he more than got his handful against me. In the end Kalah could only fail as the end result in his death. In the end the gnome betrayed by his arrogant thoughts. Aerie then ask to tag along, i agreed only for the time being as more allies may prove wise on my part. The locals all told me that I should speak with the cowled wizard representative in the government district. As such heading there would shed light on the matter of Imoen being taken prisoner. No matter Jaheira said it true, rushing the matter may prove more dangerous than taking my time.

TBC...

==Update 2==

Sad day in Faerun, we had freed the slaves at the copper corronet.  We ventured into the sewers below the CC clearing out the monsters whom made nest of the place.  As we entered a passage up  from the tunnels we found ourselves dead smack in the middle of the slavers stronghold.  Battle was fierce as such some of my comrades fell in battle.  Irony have it the two dwarves, myself and korgon stood against the slavers unslaught out number 5 to 2.  Just as it seems we would pull the victory out a lucky blow struck me down.  As such I feinted and presumely died....

---note---

Although the challenge was ruled to be a minimum reload challenge I've felt that the circumstances of the death deems it a fatal death.  As such no revival was possible as I was only survivor of the group before falling.  As such I am not gonna try rationalize continuing from a previous save before the death.  So Da'Vid The Dwarf Fighter/Thief amnesiac adventure came to a sudden end at the hands of the slavers.

I think I'll try my hand at this challenge again using the same self imposed rules that a fatal death is game over.  By fatal I mean no party members alive prior to your death.

As such I'm gonna figure out what class the reincarnated Da'Vid will be.  After all I don't want to go through another playthrough as a Fight/Thief Dwarf , would be ackward none the least.  Was actually challenging and fun doing this challenge.  It requires more thinking on the fly rather than pre buff for battle.  After all not all battles are buffable before hand.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 02 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[Krazy Solo]

I've been going over possible characters, I'm leaning on a Human Priest of Helm or Gnome Mage/Thief. The more I linger one the choice the more I think Cleric is probably what I'm looking at. Statistically my stats favor intellectual classes versus physical base. The only qualms I'm having is what weapons would i possible be good at using if i was cleric, lol. As my real life experience is centered around polearms and bows.

Regardless of my decision I'll post an introduction with update when I get around to making up my mind.

==edit==

No matter how I try to rationalize a class, I can never seem to get pass my anger of being weak lol.  I mean weak physically.  My style of gaming is undeniably melee oriented.  I prefer having versatility over being specialized.  I like to have little bit of everything.  Sadly this game really doesn't have a true Jack of all trades master of none class.  Sure Bards combine Fighter/Mage with a pinch of Thief, but they lack the Cleric side altogether.

To my own delima I have not ever beat the game with any character other than a Paladin.  Sadly ToB was Solo'd so I really have no experience with higher lvl thieves, mages, clerics, and fighters, well maybe not so much of fighter.  It bugs me that I struggle so damn much with classes that I like to play.  classes such as Bard Kits, Mages, Sorcerers, Thieves, Druids, and Clerics.  Fighters are so trivial I could play through the game blindfolded and never die.

As you probably can tell I'm rambling on about my issues and trying to have fun with a great game.  Just so darn hard to truely know  who you are until you actual done it yourself.  I know my limittations, I know my strengths, but I don't know how they translate into a video game.  Weapon Wise i'm skilled in the use of Polearms and Bows.  I minor knowledge of use of Darts and Throwing Weapons.  With this knowlege I know I would pick Quarterstaves, Spears, Halberds, Long Bows, Short Bows, X-Bows, and Darts as my core group of weapons.  What it doesn't tell me what class I would be to utilize all of them?  Besides a Fighter class (includes ranger, barbarian, and paladin)  a bard can use all weapons.

Maybe I'm a Bard O.O.  Maybe I have been over looking the bard kits in my conquest for perfection.  Then again its the profound fact that bladed weapons are far more superior overall in this game that is making my decision a hard one.  Doesn't help that my alignment in game is between neutral and chaotic, plus good and neutral.  So basically I'm either Neutral Good, Chaotic Good, True Neutral, or Chaotic Neutral.  Now you add in the NPC that are in game I would find it hard to keep Edwin, Korgon, and Viconia all happy.  And we all know of all the NPC Korgon and Edwin are cut above the rest in their role slots.

This means Korgon, Minsc, and Keldorn are the true Frontliners in game, with Valygar, Cernd, Anomen, Jaheira, and Haer'Dalis all secondary frontliners.  Edwin and Nalia being the better Mages, with Jan, Aerie, and Imoen being secondary.  Then you have the rest being the 2ndline Utility NPCs.

So much thinking of how to balance the game at the end has gotten me baffled.

After all this planning and thinking, I still have to play the character clueless of the future events that will take place.  Fun stuff I tell ya.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 03 août 2011 - 10:51 .

[Krazy Solo]

Finally, I settled on a potential class for myself . Rather than debate and maul over details I just ran with whatever came to mind at the time.

So Enters....

Name: Da'Vid
Race: Gnome
class: Mage/Thief Multiclass
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Stats: Str 15, Dex 14, Con 18, Int 17, Wis 16, Cha 10
Profiencies: Quarterstaff, Short Bow, 2 Handed Weapon Style

==Update==

Pretty much everything was done the same up to chapter 2... Upon exiting Gaelens home i've decided to head to government district, struck a deal to help the Cowles find a murderer. I talke to Jan Jansen sadly i informed him I didn't need his services at the time. I approached the mob surrounding a Drow. Clearly the crowd is filled with anger. The Drow called out to me claiming that I know of her, once again I was either mistaken for someone else or I'm clearly had my memories twisted. Either way I saw no reason other than dislike for the Drow. As such I freed her. Seems the mob became hostile as the fanatics pelt me with arrows. You could say a Gnome sorely hates being the punch line for jokes. Needless to say they thought me to be a pin cushion. As such no matter how far i backed from the battle they kept pelting me with arrows eventually death followed.

Needless to say death number one came early again. This is becoming annoying none the lease. I know damn well the game should be easier than my current string of bad luck. Unless actually roleplaying makes things harder who knows. Either way I'll be continuing from the governors hall. Will have ot redo Jan and Viconia incidents over again. This time I think i'll allow the knuckle head Minsc do the rescuing since its his style and all .

[lroumen]

corey_russell wrote...

Also, according to that, maybe should should alter your stats for the tomes. To my knowledge:
- 1 strength tome
- 1 constitution tome
- 1 dexterity tome
- 1 intelligence tome
- 3 wisdom tomes
- 1 charisma tome

There may be more, I am not fully aware of everything in TotSC areas.

I'm starting the chalenge in BG1. I much prefer to start from scratch and see where I end up than start in a dungeon.... As such, I'll see what I do when I come across the tomes. I do not expect to gain them all.

[Krazy Solo]

If you could Iroumen let me know how many of em easily obtainable which ones are remotely out of the way. As I'm playing a Chaotic Neutral Alignment ATM would wonder how that would change the outcome of finding some of the tomes.

=update=

It seems i've had a revelation.  No matter how many times I try to persuade myself, the truth slaps me in the face.  I'm not a thief, mage, or anything close.  It seems i've been over looking the one thing that makes me...  well... Me!  I'm a passive fighter, meaning I don't fight unless i have to.  As such defensive style weapons are more my style.  Such weapons are quarterstaves and spears.  With that in mind I took a serious look at all the classes.  It seems only two really stood out at me.

Berserker and Cleric...  Oddly enough I kept saying I couldn't be a cleric.  I was party right.  I have a berserking like state that I enter when angered deeply, but that doesn't mean I am a pure Berserker.  The dilemma is even with the bonus stats from the tomes I would be short one wisdom from being able to Dual-class.  As such I'm playing a Priest of Helm atm.

Seems I go through more characters than I actually beat the game.  Hopefully this will be the last official change until I beat BG2.  I hate getting to chapter 2 only to feel not right.

Name: Da'Vid
class: Priest of Helm
Race: Human
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral
Stats:  Str 15, Dex 13, Con 18, Int 17, Wis 16, Cha 10
Profiencies: Quaterstaff *, Flail *, 2 Handed Weapon Style *

Currently rerunning Irenicus Dungeon, will update after I get to chapter 2.  This time I'm being truthful taking my time on my options.  As I'm more likely to avoid combat this time around I'll be paying closer attention to the dialog options.

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 05 août 2011 - 11:30 .

[lroumen]

It depends quite a bit on what you would do at the request of fortune or adventure. Some of the tomes are hidden in the wilderness but other than helping a person in need or something like that, there is no real reason to go there at all so you will miss them. I would say that if you play by character, large chunks of the explorable areas will be skipped in favour of the main storyline (I guess).

- Charisma: gnoll stronghold. You will only get this if you help either Minsc or Edwin. Why else go to the stronghold? (unless you drink beer and wine and hear rumours in the bar, I think it is mentioned there too).
- Constitution: Cave in the Watch tower area. This is related to Safanas request so if you feel up to traveling there you will get it (CN/CE = glory and fortune, so that fits). But since no quest leads to this area and it is not related to the storyline there is no reason to go there and you might miss it. I guess wanderers will make it there at some point.
- Dexterity: Thieves Guild. You will probably get this alright if you are CN since you would likely go for a chance of fortune with the thieves.
- Strength: Below Candlekeep. Cannot be missed unless you are a chicken and run for the exit
- Intelligence: It all depends on how you resolve Ramazith vs Ragefast. You may even not meddle with them at all. This is a missable one again.
- Wisdom 1: The Lady's House. Depends on if you keep it or steal it back. Goody people will miss this tome unless they go against character. Evil people could probably not even help the quest giver and miss out entirely whether they would keep the tome or not.
- Wisdom 2: Durlags Tower. You would probably get this for the adventure.
- Wisdom 3: Below Candlekeep. You won't miss this just like the tome of strength.


So the ones that you will likely not miss are: 1 Strength (candlekeep), 1 Wisdom (candlekeep)
Related to fortune/quests: 1 Dexterity (thieves), 1 Wisdom (durlag), 1 Charisma (gnolls)
Related to quest choices: 1 Wisdom (lady's house), 1 Intelligence (Ramazith)
No reason to go to the area at all: 1 Constitution (safana request)

Or at least that is my interpretation of it all.

Modifié par lroumen, 05 août 2011 - 11:06 .

[Krazy Solo]

lroumen wrote...

It depends quite a bit on what you would do at the request of fortune or adventure. Some of the tomes are hidden in the wilderness but other than helping a person in need or something like that, there is no real reason to go there at all so you will miss them. I would say that if you play by character, large chunks of the explorable areas will be skipped in favour of the main storyline (I guess).

- Charisma: gnoll stronghold. You will only get this if you help either Minsc or Edwin. Why else go to the stronghold? (unless you drink beer and wine and hear rumours in the bar, I think it is mentioned there too).
- Constitution: Cave in the Watch tower area. This is related to Safanas request so if you feel up to traveling there you will get it (CN/CE = glory and fortune, so that fits). But since no quest leads to this area and it is not related to the storyline there is no reason to go there and you might miss it. I guess wanderers will make it there at some point.
- Dexterity: Thieves Guild. You will probably get this alright if you are CN since you would likely go for a chance of fortune with the thieves.
- Strength: Below Candlekeep. Cannot be missed unless you are a chicken and run for the exit
- Intelligence: It all depends on how you resolve Ramazith vs Ragefast. You may even not meddle with them at all. This is a missable one again.
- Wisdom 1: The Lady's House. Depends on if you keep it or steal it back. Goody people will miss this tome unless they go against character. Evil people could probably not even help the quest giver and miss out entirely whether they would keep the tome or not.
- Wisdom 2: Durlags Tower. You would probably get this for the adventure.
- Wisdom 3: Below Candlekeep. You won't miss this just like the tome of strength.


So the ones that you will likely not miss are: 1 Strength (candlekeep), 1 Wisdom (candlekeep)
Related to fortune/quests: 1 Dexterity (thieves), 1 Wisdom (durlag), 1 Charisma (gnolls)
Related to quest choices: 1 Wisdom (lady's house), 1 Intelligence (Ramazith)
No reason to go to the area at all: 1 Constitution (safana request)

Or at least that is my interpretation of it all.

Very interesting...  So all in all I have potential of getting 5 of the 8 just out of my personality alone.  So that would mean I would need to Remake my Cleric, which means I will need to redo 30 minutes or so of Dungeon, Also gives me a chance to rethink what weapon styles as well...

So my new Stats would be Str 15, Dex 13, Con 18, Int 16, Wisdom 15, Cha 10...  Either way unless I played Dwarf or Half-Orc i was gonna have 18 Con.  Only real changes with lost of one wisdom and intelligence.  Which is fair to assume I will get all but 3 of the tomes just out of sheer curiosity of exploring the regions i'm in.  Even then there is possibility I might end up getting all but the constitution tome.

So rather than remaking my character again I'll just keep playing it .

Modifié par Krazy Solo, 05 août 2011 - 11:31 .