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[StrawberryViking]

 EDIT: Title change- Apparently I was unclear when I made the title of the first, so hopefully you won't get more "But everyone will win in some form, so it's a moot point."

(To me at leaSt) I've always felt that paragon was always the safest route to go, and it is to my understanding that most people believe that overall paragon choices usually fare better in the long run. 

But in ME3, I want the tagline for ME1 (Extinction is one descision away) to be true. I want it so that victory isn't assured simply because you pick the option in the upper corner. Renegade has simply been degraded to the image of "ruthless douchebag"  whose actions seem trivial and needless in the scope of the entire game because for the most part renegade usually equates to less content (with the killing of characters) and in this aspect it feels like the renegade is being punished. I also in the belief that renegade seems this way because the benefits of their actions never really come to fruition like paragon's do, and in fact in that sense it seems needless. The Rachni for example, you kill the rachni queen as a rengade 'just to be safe', which I believe with the information you are given is a perfectly valid reason. However, if as a paragon you let her live, you are forced to realize that killing her as a renegade was all for naught.

The only renegade decision that I find that was truly "victory" for renegades was on Samara's recruitment with Elnora. You are specifically told before you start that every eclipse sister has to earn her uniform by killing. When you encounter her, Renegades, while not immediatly shooting her upon seeing her uniform, does kill her after a presumed act of hostility. The paragon lets her go, and finds out afterwards she was infact a ruthless killer and murdered the volus. 

Just once I want a paragon decision to bite us in the ass. It's all I ask. War (or perhaps genocide) is mean business and I want

I know the usual convention is paragon=good, renegade=bad, but I do believe that you can't be a saint all the time and expect to end up on top. The saying goes "Nice guys finish last.", while not completely true, you can't win trying to appease everybody. 

Modifié par StrawberryViking, 11 juillet 2011 - 02:04 .

[AngelicMachinery]

But, if blue doesn't mean win.. how am I suppose to know what to do?

[Kusy]

My uncle works at BioWare and he told me that if you were a renegade you will loose. And go to hell.

[HogarthHughes 3]

I agree completely, but until ME3 comes around we still don't know exactly how decisions like whether or not to spare the Rachni queen will turn out.  It is pointless to debate outcomes that we don't know yet. Not saying that thats what you're doing, but I bet that is what this thread will turn into.

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 05 juillet 2011 - 01:20 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Well Renegades are more willing to make sacrifices if it is for the greater good. I see your point thought that Paragons seem to have better outcomes. I guess we will have to wait and see with ME3. Who knows maybe letting the rachni queen live wasn't such a good idea after all. It remains to be seen.

[Repearized Miranda]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

But, if blue doesn't mean win.. how am I suppose to know what to do?

Pick red and lose! DUH! 

[Faolin]

We do know that there is such a thing as Rachni Husks in ME3. So assuming they're made sufficiently badass/dangerous, saving the Rachni isn't consequence free.

I personally think gameplay (rather than story) is the perfect place to "punish paragons". A Paragon makes a choice because it fits their morals, and is willing to suffer any consequences that come from that. MAKE them suffer, make their game that much harder, but if they manage to succeed regardless give them the happy ending they're looking for.
Disclaimer: I personally am a Paragon, but made several of the major choices (including the Rachni one) as Renegade.

[Kasai666]

Renegade should equal epic win!
Seriously though, Renegades get the short end of the stick when it comes to stuff like this. It needs to be fixed that blue doesn't equal win.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I think Renegades should also win, but in a Renegade manner. You don't have to take one away from the other or make one better than the other.

[Saaziel]

Renegon & Paragade.

Because having choices means that you don't naively or fanatically limit yourself.

[Medhia Nox]

Renegades should fare better than Paragons - the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.

[The C Trayne]

i'm currently playing my first renegade char in me2 and while i like the little interupts way better and he is like a cool badass guy i dont really like his attitude or some of the **** hes saying is just like mean... i feel the renegade should be more along the lines of not backing down, shoot first ask later kind of guy not a total douchebag... im starting to dislike my character even because hes so mean

[Repearized Miranda]

^ Shoot first (possibly killing them), ask questions later is NOT mean? Then again, threatening Elnora was/is a paragon option.

[The C Trayne]

ya i like the whole shoot first attitude i dont like the fact that he is a douchebag... some of the stuff he says to people is just totally unnecessary and makes me hate him

[Saberchic]

I do believe there will be paragon choices to bite my Shepard in the butt. I'm still not sure that letting the rachni queen live is a good gamble. Sure, they may help a bit in the battle, but what about afterward?

I also liked the whole Elnora snafu. I hope she causes some real trouble.

I'm wondering if Zaeed's loyalty mission will bite us too. Vido is still out there, and now super pissed at Zaeed and Shep.

I've played both Renegade and Paragon. I don't think Bioware is going to leave the paragons unscathed or make it so that the paragons win easily.

[Paulinius]

There should be both paragon and renegade options that help you and screw you over.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ This!!

[Raiil]

Saaziel wrote...

Renegon & Paragade.

Because having choices means that you don't naively or fanatically limit yourself.

Hear hear. Even compassionate people can be practical even if it hurts their heart, and even unstoppable badasses can have lines they won't cross.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ That, too, but no kool-"ade" drinking for me. Where's that Krogan liquor?

[Raiil]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

^ That, too, but no kool-"ade" drinking for me. Where's that Krogan liquor?

Right next to the fine hanar wine, I suspect. Drink up, me hearties?

[Reapinger]

Funny thought that... When you're not a total jerk and help people out everything works out a little better? Who knew?

[mauro2222]

Maybe is just me, but I think that renegade is the easy path, shooting everyone, you don´t give a damm about others because you´re selfish and so on.

[CheeseEnchilada]

I'd say a happy ending is possible either way. What defines a 'happy' ending is a little different for paragon and renegade.

I would guess that you'll see huge losses no matter what you do. As a paragon, they will probably be spread out across the species, including humanity. You'll end the game with every race intact, but with a huge struggle to rebuild, and everyone generally being weaker than before. As a renegade, humanity comes first and losses for other species are acceptable. You may see a lesser species (drell, vorcha) wiped out entirely, and council races severely weakened. But humanity emerges as the strongest race and takes charge. Everyone is weakened, but we have a strong race to lead us, for better or for worse.

And as a whole I am hoping for paragons to feel a bit of pain from their decisions. I'm hoping the rachni enemies are only for those who spared the queen, and other decisions give us a bit of trouble. But all in all, I'd like everyone to be able to get both the worst and happiest endings, regardless of alignment.