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[Ryzaki]

Valentia X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Next time they won't hook him up to a VI that has wide access to the rest of the facility and probably won't allow any geth near it to be armed.

The technology is potent (too potent, which is why there was a problem), but very promising. Any war with the geth can be ended with the press of a button.

David could communicate with them and ultimately control them, but how many and for how long would be a problem. In order to control them, there has to be at least a local intranet network so he can command via a mainframe, and it probably wouldn't be too difficult for David to make the jump to a national, global, or intergalactic system from there.

There's also that sticky moral issue, but that might just be me. I felt sick when I first played through the game and saw David hooked up.

 

Good point. 

Uh...I wanted to shoot A...whatever his name was. That pistol whip was too good for him. Slimey bastard. How could he do that to his own brother? 

[Ryzaki]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

[/i]Shepard's choices were either kill those 300K batarians, or let the Reapers kill EVERYONE. 

THE TWO ARE NOT COMPARABLE. 

No, Shepard could have refused. Everyone would have died eventually, sure, but Shepard didn't really know that. He just choose the easy and smart way out for once.

...Are you serious?  SHEPARD KNEW THE REAPERS WERE COMING. There is no "Shepard didn't really know that." I am the first to admit Cerberus isn't the second coming of Lucifier but that's ridculous. Cerberus actions in general and Shepard's on Arrival are not comparable. Cerberus was only benefitting themselves and their goals and "humanity" Shepard was saving everyone (save those Batarians) asses. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2011 - 07:38 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not if Overlord is completed.

Which it wasn't, because TIM was just about to shut it down when the idiot Archer decided to put his autistic brother in a machine and believed he could create a VI to control the geth, which backfired so hard, he would've doomed the galaxy if Shepard hadn't arrived when he did.

[Ryzaki]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
...Are you serious?  SHEPARD KNEW THE REAPERS WERE COMING. There is no "Shepard didn't really know that." 

So because the Reapers are coming 300k people have to be murdered? Shepard's no better than the Reapers then. Isn't that what a Paragon would say? I'll bet you were dull enough to save the Council, probably for the same reasons. Then you turn around and are willing to kill all those people.

You're one of those shallow, witless Paragons I was talking about a page or two back.

*slow clap* 

I'm a paragade actually hun. But thanks for letting me know you're a troll. 

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

There's also that sticky moral issue, but that might just be me. I felt sick when I first played through the game and saw David hooked up.

I didn't like it either but it isn't your job to think with your heart. In fact, it's a betrayal of your job. Your obligation and duty, you might say, is to think with your head. David's suffering is worth it.

One might argue that the individual is just as important as the millions. Having Legion in the group as well may change the dynamic of the argument (as I said, YMMV). Shepard is a soldier, and civilian casualities are frowned upon. Allowing monstrous things can turn you from a being fighting for survival into a plain monster yourself.

In any case, for me, Overlord was a disaster because of the human elment. Despite his autism, David remains subjected to human pains, fears, and the natural reactions thereof. Even if I considered letting Overlord continue, ultimately trying to use a being from a race not particularly known for rationality or logic would be folly. David tried to protect himself and reach out, as humans are wont to do, and it ended in a tragical farce. 

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh wow, Cerberus' intel isn't all encompassing. There are holes in it.

Does anyone have perfect intel on the entire galaxy? Now you're just being petty.

Yeah, I'm being petty for demanding proper intelligence on an alien ship I'm about to attack or potential allies.

And guess what. TIM is indoctrinated, so I don't care what you say to try and justify their actions. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Technically, ME2 was a Cerberus operation. The Lazarus Project, the Lazarus Cell, the Normandy, the Crew, EDI, the resources, the missions, the dossiers, the Suicide Mission... all could be considered a Cerberus success.

[Praetor Knight]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You have to forget about the past and make way for the future!

We need more entrepreneurial  spirit!

Yeah, and let's forego any pretext to victory against the reapers.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 09 juillet 2011 - 07:43 .

[Quole]

Cerberus likes to put their logo on everything. Why is that?

[Ryzaki]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Technically, ME2 was a Cerberus operation. The Lazarus Project, the Lazarus Cell, the Normandy, the Crew, EDI, the resources, the missions, the dossiers, the Suicide Mission... all could be considered a Cerberus success.

So the Council and alliance is to thank for most of ME1? Since it's due to them that Shepard got the weapons and resources to go after Saren. Even if he had to run away from their lockdown. 

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...


One might argue that the individual is just as important as the millions.

Anyone who did would be a fool.

Why? That the millions should always override the individual is how dictatorships are justified and why some places stomp down on basic civil rights. I'm not trying to posit it as an either/or situation, but there may be times where the rights of the few take precendent over the comfort of many.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

...but then you swooped in (under Cerberus' orders) and saved the project, right? Don't tell me you shut it down. You fool!

No, I did the galaxy a favor. And by the way, Legion's mission. Accomplishes a lot more than Overlord ever did, by either destroying the heretic geth completely or reprogram them. If it was Cerberus, they would've probably killed off about three hundred of their own members at that point.

As for intelligence, I happen to know the new Shadow Broker. 

What's so good about Cerberus again, besides having to clean up all their half-assed projects and be their glorified janitor?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Gogeta: What...dude are you misreading what I said or are you being obtuse on purpose? 

Cerberus did not have to kill/hurt people. They choose to for power or information. 

Shepard's choices were either kill those 300K batarians, or let the Reapers kill EVERYONE. 

THE TWO ARE NOT COMPARABLE. 

You know the reasoning and circumstance for those Cerberus actions... how?  We know Shepard intimately... but not Cerberus.

[Ryzaki]

Legion makes Overlord a joke.

"Oh yes I'm gonna rely on some human who might just ****** of the geth by trying to control them (let's not mention tht most people think the geth numbers only include the heretics a mere 5% and trying to fight billions of geth will catch them surprised) than a geth that was specially designed to help me out. That's logical!" 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You were given all the intel you needed to complete the mission. What more do you want?

What, you wanted to know the true purpose behind the mission? Well, sorry, you are just a grunt.

What was that? This grunt can't hear you over the sound of the Collector base exploding. I'm just a grunt, after all. It's what I do. The true purpose behind the mission needed the base intact? Well, someone forgot to tell the grunts.

[Ryzaki]

Quole wrote...

Cerberus likes to put their logo on everything. Why is that?

Because they're Derperus. 

But the aliens that let them walk around with that logo no questions asked are dumber. <_<