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[Ryzaki]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Because nobody knows it can't be hurt by gunfire? Every ship has shields, after a lot of sustained damage the shields go away and the ship itself takes damage. How do they know Sovereign's shields are impenetrable? How does Shepard know that? How does anybody know that?

Genre Savvy. 

It's a mecha chutlu race that's been doing this for 50K+ years. It's a pretty reasonable guess that Sovereign's shields aren't gonna be hurt by their attacks especially considering the whole plan evolves around humanity following the plans *they* laid down so that this whole scenario went off perfectly. 

If you were told a person knew intimately every tool you had and every way it worked and that they stopped you from advancing at a certain point so they could kill you would you honestly believe that the tools you had would work against their armor? 

1. Nobody knows it's going to do it's flailing act, it's something that happens after Shepard gives the call and kills Sovereign's avatar.
2. Sovereign is trying to access the Citadel, ignoring him while he's trying to bring back the Reaper fleet isn't the best idea.

That is true. I really meant when Shepard was sure it was vulnerable.

Which is exactly why Shepard is on the ground injecting Vigil's virius whatever.  He's not being ignored in the least. 

Focus the remnants of the Council fleet, which it does regardless of your decision.

 

Which struck me as odd. Why only focus on the council? Since the council is the weaker link in that scenario (at that point they're beaten pretty bad.) why not focus on the healthier opponents? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:36 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
And he's going through Vigil's data file, trying to gain access to the station. Everybody in the game says it. As soon as he does, the Reaper fleet comes in and it's the end. Sovereign wasn't sitting there doing nothing.

I can't recall dialogues which says that Sovereign is overriding Vigil's data file.

And since it's apparently a matter of seconds, hey, guess what the data file just bought us. 

[nhsk]

I always thought he possessed the remains of Saren to get that data disk out of the system, makes no sense he would risk the stun if it wasn't critical to his success.

[Barquiel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

And the citadel ships can assist the alliance if the geth are destroyed. no firepower lost

No they can't because they still need to protect the very nearly dead DA which is heavily damaged, remember?

Admiral Hackett mentioned that the Destiny Ascension helped the alliance fleet. I think it's safe to assume the escort vessels helped as well.

[TobyHasEyes]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 That argument wouldn't hold in a military standpoint if one of the forces was about to set off a megaweapon which would destroy the Earth (assuming we take this example to the present). The commander wouldn't go "well added forces are synergistic, so rather than attack the guy setting up the explosive right now we are gonna go help our allies over there.."

Fortunately that scenario was not playing out in the Battle of the Citadel.

Shepard needed to expose the guy setting up the explosive first, to then take that guy out with concentrated fire.

 Fortunately that is the scenario I was describing <_<

[Ryzaki]

nhsk wrote...

I always thought he possessed the remains of Saren to get that data disk out of the system, makes no sense he would risk the stun if it wasn't critical to his success.

I thought so as well. The direct control doesn't make much sense otherwise. 

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Because nobody knows it can't be hurt by gunfire? Every ship has shields, after a lot of sustained damage the shields go away and the ship itself takes damage. How do they know Sovereign's shields are impenetrable? How does Shepard know that? How does anybody know that?

Considering that the ship is two kilometers long and can land on planets, which no other ship of the same size can, I think it's pretty easy to come to the conclusion it has a large eezo core.

[Praetor Knight]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Fortunately that is the scenario I was describing <_<

So Nazara being cocooned inside the Citadel, and the Mass Relays being locked down was not an issue?

[Nightdragon8]

what the heck has this topic turned into...

[Yezdigerd]

Ieldra2 wrote...
There's no way around it: saving the DA is gambling with the fate of the galaxy.

It's funny that I saw it the other way around then.

Given the information we have, destroying Sovereign or at least keeping it from accessing the Citadel controls is the only objective. Everything else is  irrelevant in comparison.

You are assuming the fifth fleet can destroy Sovereign, alone. The Turian fleet is supposed to be 5 times the size of the human, the Asari and Salarian having 3 times it's naval power, the DA having the firepower matching the rest of the Asari fleet. Sovy blows through them seemingly unscathed.

Really what is it that makes you think the humans can accomplish anything when the military superpowers of the galaxy couldn't?

Modifié par Yezdigerd, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:38 .

[Praetor Knight]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

what the heck has this topic turned into...

Madness... ?

But it's been great really, I'm enjoying the discussion.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where did you hear that? Regardless, I'm going to need a quote. I sure as hell never saw the DA do anything useful.

http://www.youtube.c...NkL3m0#t=10m33s

He says it right there.

[Barquiel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Admiral Hackett mentioned that the Destiny Ascension helped the alliance fleet. I think it's safe to assume the escort vessels helped as well.

Where did you hear that? Regardless, I'm going to need a quote. I sure as hell never saw the DA do anything useful.

"It took multiple fleets AND the Destiny Ascension to bring Sovereign down"



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[Ryzaki]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Where did you hear that? Regardless, I'm going to need a quote. I sure as hell never saw the DA do anything useful.

http://www.youtube.c...NkL3m0#t=10m33s

He says it right there.

YES. 

So much for the DA not doing anyhing *does the robot* 

[TobyHasEyes]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 Fortunately that is the scenario I was describing <_<

So Nazara being cocooned inside the Citadel, and the Mass Relays being locked down was not an issue?

 

<_<

 The point I was making is that no military man would support the idea of sending your forces to help allies engaged with battle, when apart from them there is someone setting up a world-ending explosive

 In other words they would focus on taking him out with concentrated fire

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Which means it likely has very strong shields, which means we need to bring as much fire to bear on it as quickly as possible.

If you need firepower, then call in the dreadnou---oh. Right.

[nhsk]

I don't think the *entire* Turian fleet was stationed at The Citadel, as just before you get grounded either Udina or the Council mentions that fleets are patrolling every relay linked to the Terminus.

So it was Citadel defense forces that was obliterated, I don't even think they expected a battle on that scale with "Sarens plans exposed and already on the way to the mindset "Ah yes Reapers"

[Ryzaki]

Riiight. Hackett totally needs to make **** up. >_>

[Praetor Knight]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

<_<

 The point I was making is that no military man would support the idea of sending your forces to help allies engaged with battle, when apart from them there is someone setting up a world-ending explosive

 In other words they would focus on taking him out with concentrated fire

But the puppies... <_<



Seriously though, I can see what you mean with the scenario you mention, but before the force multiplier provided by the appearance of the Alliance Fleet can focus on the intended target, Shepard needs to unlock communication through the Comm Buoys, the Mass Relay and Citadel Arms so there is time to either hold the Alliance back or send them in early to assist against the Geth.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Well he's talking out his ass because we never see the Destiny Ascension fire a shot. In fact, I'm sure he says this even if the DA was destroyed. So what the hell is he talking about? I think he's just speaking figuratively and/or using hyperbole.

I think the man who's in command of the Arcturus fleet knows the details. And I'd rather trust his word, considering that there's no evidence that contradicts what he says. Yes, the DA was damaged, but that doesn't mean it can't fight.