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[Lotion Soronarr]

If Paragon decisions end in galactic exctinction, isn't everyone the victim?

[Thompson family]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If Paragon decisions end in galactic exctinction, isn't everyone the victim?

But Paragon decisions always save the galaxy from extinction. Otherwise, this thread would have nothing to complain about.

OK. Joke's over. Seriously.

Some of you are familiar with my long-standing belief that many renegade decisions are just paranoid. Therefore, I clearly don't agree that renegade decsions are more "realistic" and should lead to a better result than Paragon.

I acknowledge, however, that some Paragon decisions should bite you in the a** at least once in a while, and that happens rarely if at all to any serious extent.

There. How's that?

Modifié par Thompson family, 23 novembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Someone With Mass]

Thompson family wrote...

But Paragon decisions always save the galaxy from extinction. Otherwise, this thread would have nothing to complain about.

OK. Joke's over. Seriously.

Some of you are familiar with my long-standing belief that many renegade decisions are just paranoid. Therefore, I clearly don't agree that renegade decsions are more "realistic" and should lead to a better result than Paragon.

I acknowledge, however, that some Paragon decisions should bite you in the a** at least once in a while, and that happens rarely if at all to any serious extent.

There. How's that?

I know at least two major Paragon choices that...well, I wouldn't really say that they completely backfire, but they're  
going as expected.

I have yet to see any Renegade choices that goes bad. And no, sacrificing the Council doesn't count, since they'll be replaced in that case.

[Lord Zeel]

I don't know what you guys are smoking. A lot of the Paragon decisions are these stupid gambles that ALWAYS work out with little to no consequence. For example, saving the bloody council, that should've backfired greatly, but it didn't.

And "undoing the Genophage" that should backfire, but god knows it wont.


The only Paragon consequence I've seen is the whole killing Elnore business


I pray to god, rewriting the Geth will backfire but I have a feeling it wont.

Modifié par Lord Zeel, 23 novembre 2011 - 08:52 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I have yet to see any Renegade choices that goes bad. And no, sacrificing the Council doesn't count, since they'll be replaced in that case.

Too little, too late, though; we needed that kind of back in ME2.

And the Renegade apparently doesn't have the advantage of the little Cold War that was going on between us and the turians anymore.

[Labrev]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I know at least two major Paragon choices that...well, I wouldn't really say that they completely backfire, but they're 
going as expected.

I have yet to see any Renegade choices that goes bad. And no, sacrificing the Council doesn't count, since they'll be replaced in that case.

Don't be silly. Every choice's outcome is bad to the renegade die-hards until/unless they get total victory AND know that all the paragon choices were wrong ones.

Anything less, and it's paragon-favoritism.

Gotta love how the side that rails on the other for always getting to have their cake and eat it is unhappy themselves at getting anything less.

[ODST 3]

Dirty renegades owned

[GodWood]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
Don't be silly. Every choice's outcome is bad to the renegade die-hards until/unless they get total victory AND know that all the paragon choices were wrong ones.

Anything less, and it's paragon-favoritism.

Gotta love how the side that rails on the other for always getting to have their cake and eat it is unhappy themselves at getting anything less.

I think it's safe to say all we've ever wanted is 'some' renegade decisions to come out better then the paragon ones, and vice versa.

I don't know why you people are against this idea.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

I don't know why you people are against this idea.

I've read that some people say that if they ever rewarded renegades, they wouldn't buy the game because they don't support companies who support genocide or murder. I facepalmed at it but there you go.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 novembre 2011 - 11:24 .

[GodWood]

Filthy bigots.

[GodWood]

Throw off the shackles of oppression!

[Thompson family]

GodWood wrote...

I think it's safe to say all we've ever wanted is 'some' renegade decisions to come out better then the paragon ones, and vice versa.

I would have loved to have Paragon/Renegade points weigh heavily in recruiting.

Too many Paragon points + Not enough Renegade points = Can't recruit Zaheed.

Too few Paragon points + Too many Renegade points = Can't recruit Samara. Etc.

[Sgt Stryker]

Dave of Canada wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I don't know why you people are against this idea.

I've read that some people say that if they ever rewarded renegades, they wouldn't buy the game because they don't support companies who support genocide or murder. I facepalmed at it but there you go.

They're fools. You should eat them!

[Xilizhra]

Dave of Canada wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I don't know why you people are against this idea.

I've read that some people say that if they ever rewarded renegades, they wouldn't buy the game because they don't support companies who support genocide or murder. I facepalmed at it but there you go.

It is worth noting that no other Bioware game has actually supported either. I wouldn't be opposed to something like DA2, where the outcome of the genocidal option is better or worse depending on personal point of view, but I would enjoy it being the unquestionably best solution rather less.

In other words, I'm not opposed to Renegade solutions having good outcomes for your own points of view. I am opposed to you screwing over the outcomes that you don't play.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 23 novembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[slimgrin]

I hope the paragon/renegade meter dies with Mass Effect. All subtlety is lost when we are specifically being told what we are doing is good or bad.

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 novembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

The problem with Renegades is that if you're always going to reward Paragons, you're screwing with them because the Renegade outcome is to avoid one possible solution that the Paragon choice introduces. Therefore, by rewarding Paragons, you've invalidated the entire purpose for the Renegade choice.

Punishing the Paragon would vindicate the Renegade choice, as the possible backfiring which might occur doesn't occur and we're given the better scenario for one case. Why would you kill anybody if they're always nice? Why would you spare anybody if they're always evil? It's kind of the same thing, there needs to be a balance, something which the player can logically foreshadow everything (For example in ME2, with Wrex and curing the Genophage = His plan for the Krogan not working)

It's just a damn shame that no such thing occurs.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 novembre 2011 - 11:37 .

[CptBomBom00]

 This is how I Imagine my , Paragon ending for Shepard , so Reapers are defeated after a long and bloody battle and everyone survived and Earth is safe now, so  Shepard is standing on hill with Liara and they are looking on Sunrise and the scene ends with them kissing.
Renegade, it would be something like this, where we see Shepard over looking destroyed city and behind him/her we see Normandy and Every squad mate present in ME3.:happy:

Modifié par CptBomBom00, 23 novembre 2011 - 11:42 .

[petipas1414]

I love how the OP refers to Renegade as being a "ruthless douchebag"

I smiled because it's so true haha

[Xilizhra]

Therefore, by rewarding Paragons, you've invalidated the entire purpose for the Renegade choice.

Hardly. You can kill the Council to advance human dominance, for example: if that turns out to fail, it's a problem with the Renegade option, not the Paragon.

That being said, I support the moralities being more differentiated based on political agenda and differing goals than differing means toward the same goals, as I can see problems arising regardless of what would happen if it's just differing means. Of course, I support the abolition of the meters altogether, because keeping them makes people assume that there has to be some kind of equivalence between them.

When you say "genocidal option", are you referring to the Dalish or the Mages?

The mages. I don't count the Dalish because that's not a choice to commit genocide, just a choice to tell the truth and then get unexpectedly attacked.