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[Sajuro]

Simple, the heads of the largest galactic fleet were in danger at the Battle of the Citadel
With the Alpha Relay, there weren't stalling tactics that we could have done to keep the Reapers from arriving in the Galaxy so boom goes the Alpha Relay
If we were told the only way to stop the Reapers was to crash the DA into the Citadel to blow it up.... boom goes the Citadel.

[Patius Mehaffius]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Every goddamn Paragon player on this forum is a hypocrite. You will conduct any moral and mental gymnastics necessary in a vain attempt to justify your hypocrisy. It is disgusting. It is why you deserve no respect.

You have no integrity.

Geeze, when did the conversation get so heated? Someone lacks integrity because they chose something in a video game?


You might want to take a deep breath, and go outside for a walk or something. Maybe take a few deep breaths and count to 10 or 50.

[Sajuro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Simple, the heads of the largest galactic fleet were in danger at the Battle of the Citadel

The entire galaxy was in danger but apparently three politicians are still the top priority.

Sajuro wrote...

With the Alpha Relay, there weren't stalling tactics that we could have done to keep the Reapers from arriving in the Galaxy so boom goes the Alpha Relay

You couldn't have stalled them if you failed to defeat Sovereign either.

So what difference does it make? You still have time to flee before the Reapers get there and warn the Citadel. So the war starts now instead of a year from now. At least you kept your moral compass intact.

Aren't the Renegades the ones complaining about Paragons and their moral compasses?
My Shepard chose to blow the Relay because it was the only option, it may only be a year but that's an extra 365 days the galaxy can use to prepare, did it leave his moral compass intact? Nope, Genoicide has that effect on people, but he did it because he felt he needed to.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, technically, the lives of every "advanced" organic being was in danger at the Battle of the Citadel. What are three people compared to the lives of everyone else? The correct choice isn't "Save the Council" or "Let the Council die", it's "Focus on Sovereign" (granted, it's been a while, but that's what I remember of the three choices).

Actually, it would have been nice if, based on your choices & completed Alliance related missions, the Fifth Fleet would be stronger or weaker, and there could be a reasonable chance at doing both.

Let's say you have Z power. Taking out Sovereign takes X power, saving the DA subtracts Y power, letting the DA tank and be destroyed grants you A power, various Alliance missions are worth B power.

if (Z - Y) +B > X, DA= Saved, else Reapers = Succeed
if (Z + A)+B > X, DA= Destroyed, Reapers = Defeated

Yay compromise?

[Sgt Stryker]

Wait.

Arrival had choices? (Other than the "option" to lie down and quit, LOL)

[Lord Zeel]

Paragon players always have that smug sense of superiority even when making stupid decisions. I don't know if I can blame them though, Bioware makes them feel like tactical gods. Even though, it only takes 3 conversations to understand upper right = the RIGHT CHOICE.

What never fails to amuse me though. is their grandeur sense of entitlement. As if THEY have to get everything, save everyone, be the baddest motherf**cker in the Galaxy. Like the sun shines out their arse. While renegade are suppose to suck their thumbs while the Universe collapses on itself because we prioritize.

Everyone at this point should know that saving the council was a fumblingly disastrous move. From any spectrum you can think of. tactically, militarily, politically. The choice is probably on it's own special list of "dumb choices Paragon's make".

Yet, paragons, so enthralled by their own scent, can't accept the facts. Even as they are laid down so squarely.


I'm almost embarrassed to share the same oxygen with many of you. Except Saphra. You may have some of my oxygen.

[Patius Mehaffius]

Lord Zeel wrote...

Paragon players always have that smug sense of superiority even when making stupid decisions. I don't know if I can blame them though, Bioware makes them feel like tactical gods. Even though, it only takes 3 conversations to understand upper right = the RIGHT CHOICE.

What never fails to amuse me though. is their grandeur sense of entitlement. As if THEY have to get everything, save everyone, be the baddest motherf**cker in the Galaxy. Like the sun shines out their arse. While renegade are suppose to suck their thumbs while the Universe collapses on itself because we prioritize.

Everyone at this point should know that saving the council was a fumblingly disastrous move. From any spectrum you can think of. tactically, militarily, politically. The choice is probably on it's own special list of "dumb choices Paragon's make".

Yet, paragons, so enthralled by their own scent, can't accept the facts. Even as they are laid down so squarely.


I'm almost embarrassed to share the same oxygen with many of you. Except Saphra. You may have some of my oxygen.

I fail to see where paragon players are like that. I've always seen downsides to both choice options. The renegade gets **** done, but sometimes does so though less than honorable means. 

I kind of look at them like this: Paragons are the guy who's honorable and challenges a guy to a sword fight. Renegades are like Indiana Jones, where they simply shoot the guy to save time instead of accepting the challenge.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and it's really about how you want things to turn out. If you want the galaxy to be a human led one or one where humans are just part of the larger galactic community. 

[BlueMagitek]

jreezy wrote...

There is no "correct" choice. Make one and deal with the consequences, that's all.

The problem is when one side has fewer negative consequences and more positive consequences than the other.  I don't think anyone wants every Renegade solution being the proper solution or every Paragon solution being the proper solution. There should be some sort of healthy mixture between them, but as it is, the "right" renegade solutions are mostly Renegade triggers which happen before inevitable battles while all the correct "choice" decisions are Paragon, or can be fixed by Paragon (such as Zaeed's loyalty mission).  

[Thompson family]

Lord Zeel wrote...

Paragon players always have that smug sense of superiority even when making stupid decisions. *etc.*

(Paragon Interrupt)

I forgive you.:innocent:

Modifié par Thompson family, 24 novembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[Lord Zeel]

jreezy wrote...

There is no "correct" choice. Make one and deal with the consequences, that's all.

Except Paragon didn't have a real consquence. Did it? I understand, this is a game, and we need to have all the Morality path reach the ending. But seriously, Bioware? The only consquence you can think of for making a stupid tactical decision in one of the most important battles against an intergalatic threat Is 1200 humans died? 

Splitting half your fu*king army so you can go play babysitter to a bunch of moronic politicians, WHILE THE UNIVERSE IS AT STAKE. WILL NEVER BE A GOOD MOVE. EVER. I do not want to hear all these pulled out off the arse-variables. How the sky was this perfect shade of azure. The wind pressure was slighlty to the left. I'm sorry. I just do not want to hear anymore Paragon excuses.


I can honestly, not concieve of a single moment in history, where dividing your forces to protect 3 people is some sort of tactical advantage. Honestly, Bioware could of handled your "consquence" alot better. Hell, you look at Me2 it's a f*cking reward to make stupid decisions during important battles. E

The problem seems to me, is that the Paragon "Consquences" are always some half-assed slap on the wrist - oopsie-daise.

Where as, if the Renegade player slips up slightly, the whole world goes ka-boom.

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...
However as I've pointed out the situation faced by Shepard in Arrival is exactly the same [emphasis added] [as the] one faced by Shepard at the Battle of the Citadel.

That is simply not true, SD, for the obvious reason that Vigil gave Shep a way to close the "gateway" at the Citadel without destroying the station. There was no alternative way to "close" the Alpha Relay without destroying it and killing the Batarians in the system in the process.

[Lord Zeel]

Patius Mehaffius wrote...



I fail to see where paragon players are like that. I've always seen downsides to both choice options. The renegade gets **** done, but sometimes does so though less than honorable means. 

I kind of look at them like this: Paragons are the guy who's honorable and challenges a guy to a sword fight. Renegades are like Indiana Jones, where they simply shoot the guy to save time instead of accepting the challenge.

Both have their advantages and disadvantages, and it's really about how you want things to turn out. If you want the galaxy to be a human led one or one where humans are just part of the larger galactic community. 

We all see the downside to Paragon decisions. They just don't pan out do they.  The laws of nature would suspend to make sure a Paragon decision work out perfectly. Not just well. bloody perfect. Shepard comes riding in on a white stallion, with a tail made of pure rainbow goodness.

I'm a little miffed that you guys can come in here, trot about like a pack of sheep and act like this doesn't happen. I honestly, reading over your "response" do not think we are playing the same game. Please come back to me after your purchased both me1 and me2.

[Sgt Stryker]

Lord Zeel wrote...

Everyone at this point should know that saving the council was a fumblingly disastrous move. From any spectrum you can think of. tactically, militarily, politically. The choice is probably on it's own special list of "dumb choices Paragon's make".

What about from a comical point of view? If you save the council, you get to see more of Moe, Larry, Curly, and their antics. Say what you want about the Renegade option, but you don't get that when you meet with just Anderson and Udina.

[Lord Zeel]

jreezy wrote...

Lord Zeel wrote...

jreezy wrote...

There is no "correct" choice. Make one and deal with the consequences, that's all.

Except Paragon didn't have a real consquence. Did it?

Yeah it did. Not the ones you wanted but it did.

Having the whole universe love you. isn't a consquence.


I'm sorry, it isn't.

[Thompson family]

Lord Zeel wrote...
Having the whole universe love you. isn't a consquence.

I'm sorry, it isn't.

Are you kidding? You' d get more, uh, Azure than Frank Sinatra.

Really? Enlighten me.

See above.

Modifié par Thompson family, 24 novembre 2011 - 06:05 .

[Lord Zeel]

jreezy wrote...

Pulling a didymos here. Consequence

Don't play this silly semantic game with us.

result and consquence have two SEPERATE meanings.  Paragon had a result (a very good result, no surprise) not a consquence (It exists, just ask renegades)

Modifié par Lord Zeel, 24 novembre 2011 - 06:09 .