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[Xilizhra]

It's unfortunate things never unfold in an "If this was actually happening" way, but always in a genre savvy "Whatever is most stereotypically idealist/heroic will magically work out somehow." way, regardless of how we play.

It's unfortunate that you want to sabotage the choices that you don't make.

[HiroVoid]

Rojahar wrote...
I've been through it all. DS in KOTOR is not as "legitimate" as the LS playthrough, and you're just trying to lie to people if you claim otherwise. It's the joke playthrough for the lulz. Force Lightning costing a few less FP to use is negligible, and completely irrelevant to the story. If you thought the DS Revan was anything more than a 1-dimensional joke that makes Megatron look philosophically deep, then you seriously lack perspective and should maybe read a few books.

Oh DS is absoultely pure evil and kind of one-note.  I'm just saying I really liked the end part of going DS.  It was still done much better in KOTOR 2 where your DS would be called out on by various Jedi Masters through the story.  It's been a while since I've played, so I don't know how often this was pointed out in the first one.  My main point though is that the Dark side version doesn't come off looking 'bad/pathetic' by the end of things due to the choices being meaningless.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 07 décembre 2011 - 02:07 .

[HiroVoid]

Rojahar wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

I will admit the final decision in ME1 actually changed things a bit in ME2.

Meh.  I liked the different attitudes different NPCs would give you, and how it was frequently noted humanity was in a bigger seat.  It seems like it had more of an effect than any other choice at least.  Like I said, I feel ME3'll be the one to really come through to see if there's any negligible difference.

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

Oh, it's not "almost" anymore, it IS to a ridiculous degree. Look no further than "Grand Admiral" Balak leading a stronger Batarian ally for Paragon Shepard than his Renegade counterpart.

I strongly doubt that leak but I'll humor it:

In my game he would've been killing innocent civilians again as the terroist maniac that he is had I not stopped him. But, I did stop him. Whatever happens in the paragon universe is good and fine. I still chalk my decision up as a win.

There you go. That is how you play renegade.

[HiroVoid]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Oh, it's not "almost" anymore, it IS to a ridiculous degree. Look no further than "Grand Admiral" Balak leading a stronger Batarian ally for Paragon Shepard than his Renegade counterpart.

I strongly doubt that leak but I'll humor it:

In my game he would've been killing innocent civilians again as the terroist maniac that he is had I not stopped him. But, I did stop him. Whatever happens in the paragon universe is good and fine. I still chalk my decision up as a win.

There you go. That is how you play renegade.

That's actually how I pretty much go through it.  No matter what could have actually happened, my character'll never know that.  I dislike how choices get boiled down to the same things because I enjoy replayability, but I still like the stories themselves.  Of course, in these arguments, you always have people telling how you're absolutely wrong and have no justifications for your choice by basing it on what actually happens instead of what may have happened using metagaming.

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

I might actually end up getting ME3, it's turning out to be the greatest parody game ever made.

Oh please, you getting the game was never in question. You and the rest of the butthurts can whine and carry on all you want, but you're still here, and that's all that anyone plainly needs to see to know you're going to get it - at full-price or close.

These phonies pretending like they're not interested, but are still on this site. Like they're not going to be playing while the rest of us are talking about what a great time we're having playing ME3. ...L ...O ...L.

[Andorfiend]

StrawberryViking wrote...

 EDIT: Title change- Apparently I was unclear when I made the title of the first, so hopefully you won't get more "But everyone will win in some form, so it's a moot point."

(To me at leaSt) I've always felt that paragon was always the safest route to go, and it is to my understanding that most people believe that overall paragon choices usually fare better in the long run. 

But in ME3, I want the tagline for ME1 (Extinction is one descision away) to be true. I want it so that victory isn't assured simply because you pick the option in the upper corner. Renegade has simply been degraded to the image of "ruthless douchebag"  whose actions seem trivial and needless in the scope of the entire game because for the most part renegade usually equates to less content (with the killing of characters) and in this aspect it feels like the renegade is being punished. I also in the belief that renegade seems this way because the benefits of their actions never really come to fruition like paragon's do, and in fact in that sense it seems needless. The Rachni for example, you kill the rachni queen as a rengade 'just to be safe', which I believe with the information you are given is a perfectly valid reason. However, if as a paragon you let her live, you are forced to realize that killing her as a renegade was all for naught.

The only renegade decision that I find that was truly "victory" for renegades was on Samara's recruitment with Elnora. You are specifically told before you start that every eclipse sister has to earn her uniform by killing. When you encounter her, Renegades, while not immediatly shooting her upon seeing her uniform, does kill her after a presumed act of hostility. The paragon lets her go, and finds out afterwards she was infact a ruthless killer and murdered the volus. 

Just once I want a paragon decision to bite us in the ass. It's all I ask. War (or perhaps genocide) is mean business and I want

I know the usual convention is paragon=good, renegade=bad, but I do believe that you can't be a saint all the time and expect to end up on top. The saying goes "Nice guys finish last.", while not completely true, you can't win trying to appease everybody. 

I'm not reading through 58 pages to find out if it's been said, but we still don't know how some of these choices are going to play out.*

Prime Example: The Rachni. In ME2 we find out the queen is doing well, apparently is still friendly, and seems like a good potential ally for ME 3.

But, we also know that Sovereign by his lonesome was able to indoctrinate her entire race once upon a time. We have no cause for hope that our new little queen will be more resistant to indoctrination. It could be that we only gave the Reapers another weapon if we let her live.

Likewise it may be that the only way to recruit both the Geth and the Flotilla was if you released the data in ME 2, thereby pissing off poor Tali and causing the Quarian freakout.

* I don't know anyway, because I haven't read the leaks and don't want to.

[GodWood]

I'm picking it up pre-owned.

Modifié par GodWood, 07 décembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[Seboist]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I might actually end up getting ME3, it's turning out to be the greatest parody game ever made.

Oh please, you getting the game was never in question. You and the rest of the butthurts can whine and carry on all you want, but you're still here, and that's all that anyone plainly needs to see to know you're going to get it - at full-price or close.

These phonies pretending like they're not interested, but are still on this site. Like they're not going to be playing while the rest of us are talking about what a great time we're having playing ME3. ...L ...O ...L.

Speak for yourself fanboy, I've never bought C&C4 due to them ruining the gameplay. Not all of us have poor impulse control like yourself.

As for why I'm here? For the same reason I've hung out on movie boards for Uwe Boll's drek, to have my fun mocking it but I guess that's too much of an extreme in thought for an apologist who thinks the Reapers pulling another Rachni Queen out of their asses doesn't invalidate the renegade path(among other things).

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

I'm picking it up pre-owned.

Good choice but you're not going to get EA's online pass for the horde mode clone though. Not that it's a big loss mind you, much like everything else in ME it'll be a sub-par copy of a Gears of War feature.

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Oh please, you getting the game was never in question. You and the rest of the butthurts can whine and carry on all you want, but you're still here, and that's all that anyone plainly needs to see to know you're going to get it - at full-price or close.

I'm not getting the game, I'm only still here because I still see the value of my decisions and stance even if they don't. That and I'm getting rather sick of the smug attitude people like you carry around.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Rojahar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yep, there's harder choices in
Mega Man like whether or not to go to a stage without the weapon the
robot master's weak to or in Castlevania 3 where you have to decide
whether to storm Dracula's castle from the front gate or through the
basement.

And yet you don't actually take what you claim to be the obviously right choices. Hmmmm.

It's just like KOTOR. Blindly choose all Light for the correct/heroic playthrough, and blindly choose all Dark for the troll/lulz playthough.

But both paths are equally valid in Kotor, leaving Lucas' canon out of the picture. The same can't be said of Mass Effect, despite people responsible for the former now working on the latter.

I would've expected Casey's baby to have at least the same amount of player agency as the game he made almost a decade ago in another man's universe.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 07 décembre 2011 - 02:30 .

[Savber100]

Seboist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I'm picking it up pre-owned.

Good choice but you're not going to get EA's online pass for the horde mode clone though. Not that it's a big loss mind you, much like everything else in ME it'll be a sub-par copy of a Gears of War feature.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]-->-->
I suppose that you also think Uncharted and Dead Spave is a sub-par copy of GoW with prettier linear hallways and atmosphere, yes?  If I didn't know better I would have thought you're a GoW fanboy unless you're seriously telling me that Dom and Fenix was more engaging than Legion or Garrus etc. Sorry if that's true... that's just sad. 

[Someone With Mass]

Sticking around on this forum, even though you're not getting the game, just to taunt people? That's just sad, man.

[Labrev]

Seboist wrote...

Speak for yourself fanboy, I've never bought C&C4 due to them ruining the gameplay. Not all of us have poor impulse control like yourself.

As for why I'm here? For the same reason I've hung out on movie boards for Uwe Boll's drek, to have my fun mocking it but I guess that's too much of an extreme in thought for an apologist who thinks the Reapers pulling another Rachni Queen out of their asses doesn't invalidate the renegade path(among other things).

This is hilarious. You claim to have impulse-control, and yet, continue to frequent the site for the game you're "no longer excited about?" Oh yeah, because my idea of a good time is sitting around and mocking something for which my interest is dead... ?

I knew that weak excuse was coming anyway. That's what the all say: "I'm no longer happy so now I might as well stay and bash the game." And know it's a load of crap too, it's just what whiney fans say to justify the fact they are still interested but want to act like they aren't.

BTW, if it weren't for the Rachni Queen being pulled out of a Repaer ass, then then renegade die-hards would instead be complaining about how paragons get the mission and they don't. We've seen that song-and-dance before.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 07 décembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Kaiser Shepard: Are you one of the people that keeps arguing that "bad things must happen in ME because life isn't fair - and this is war - and etc. etc.?"

"IF" both sides aren't equally represented in ME 3 (and despite any leaks I remain dubious of that) - then, isn't Bioware just proving you right by showing that sometimes "life isn't fair"?

Or - was Bioware "only" going to be smart if they punished those stupid self-righteous paragons and paraded the pragmatic stoic Renegades?

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@Dave of Canada: First off - I don't think I've ever seen you spewing crazy on here - but if you think some people are acting "smug" - I wonder why you don't take such issue with other people's almost harassment level attacks against viewpoints they don't agree with?

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sticking around on this forum, even though you're not getting the game, just to taunt people? That's just sad, man.

I'm sorry if I'm discontent with the game and musn't share my opinion. All negative thoughts must be silenced.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Savber100 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

I'm picking it up pre-owned.

Good choice but you're not going to get EA's online pass for the horde mode clone though. Not that it's a big loss mind you, much like everything else in ME it'll be a sub-par copy of a Gears of War feature.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]-->-->
I suppose that you also think Uncharted and Dead Spave is a sub-par copy of GoW with prettier linear hallways and atmosphere, yes?  If I didn't know better I would have thought you're a GoW fanboy unless you're seriously telling me that Dom and Fenix was more engaging than Legion or Garrus etc. Sorry if that's true... that's just sad. 

Not every game with elements similar to Gears' is a Gears clone, this series from ME2 onward however is.

Also, what was so particularly engaging about Garrus compared to Dom?

And how the hell does Dead Space even compare to Gears?

[Someone With Mass]

The really funny thing is that it started the second TIM was treated "bad". Then the game was nothing but gutter filth.

[Medhia Nox]

@Cthulhu42 - oh, are you one of those fence sitting Paragrades or Renegons?

*cracks knuckles* Oh - where's my anti-fence sitting propaganda material... *looks around* Damn it, I know I have it here somewhere... you just wait right there... and I'll get to you as soon as I check what "we" usually say to people like "you".

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sticking around on this forum, even though you're not getting the game, just to taunt people? That's just sad, man.

Shouldn't you be cussing out people in PM?

[Dave of Canada]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Dave of Canada: First off - I don't think I've ever seen you spewing crazy on here - but if you think some people are acting "smug" - I wonder why you don't take such issue with other people's almost harassment level attacks against viewpoints they don't agree with?

I don't like the attitude on both sides, actually. The problem is simply that one side seems to take issue with the decisions made with the game and the design decisions, the other side seems to take issue that the other posters take issue with that.

I might see harassment when people I usually agree with insult others as being "bleeding heart", "illogical" or other terms which have been used constantly, however I don't recall them being told to shut up or being told they're pathetic and should play paragon instead of "whining".

[AdmiralCheez]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The really funny thing is that it started the second TIM was treated "bad". Then the game was nothing but gutter filth.

And I'll bet everyone thought the Talimancers were the most obsessed character fans...