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[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Shall we ignore the fact that Sovereign didn't even shoot in the opening attack?
Shall we ignore the fact that it didn't move or even attempt to evade?
Shall we ignore the fact taht the entire 5th flet (with DN's barely took it out..WITH shep running interferrance?)
Shall we ignorethe fact it never used it's main gun?
Shall we ignore the fact the devs themselves said that wihout Shep destroying the Saren Avatar, Sovereigns shields would have lasted a lot longer, and the casulaties would have been MUCH (emphasis) higher?
Shall we ignore the fact the reapers have no strategic locations they are forced to defend, hence they can ALWAYS reteret?
Shall we ignore the fact they are faster and more manouverable, and can outmanouver us?
Shall we ignore the fact that a single reaper has a alpha strike that can take out 8 cruisers and 1 DN, while that same force can't even scratch it's painjob?
Shal lwe ignore the fact there will be thousands of repers coming?
And lastly, shall we ignore the fact of massive indoctrination, thus you will be fighting spies, traitors and your former buddies?

After all of that , you really...REALLY think the reapers can be beaten without a Deus Ex MAchina?

Yes.

Honestly, LS, argueing with you is hard work. We should get paid for it.

Arguing? Is that what you call what your doing?

Hm..I kinda expected arguments to back up claims as being a major part of arguments.

And of course arguing with me is hard work. I'm a LVL99+ debater wielding the Keyboard of Logic +12.
My threat rating is too high for youz.

Frankly, I think the DM has it in for you....

[Yezdigerd]

InvincibleHero wrote...
Tell the council what exactly? I let a known criminal go just like para Shep should have mentioned in his report as well multiple times over Fist anyone?  I am sure they would be real pleased on letting Balak go, HB, and Fist. Did I miss anyone?

Since Shepard at that time haven't gotten any legal authority he could hardly be blamed for not detaining people. The killing of Fist was nothing but murder anyway. One of many renegade action that suspends disbelief.

Don't get why you are discussion Helena Blake, renegade talkjiutsu is just as strong in this case.

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Shall we ignore the fact that Sovereign didn't even shoot in the opening attack?
Shall we ignore the fact that it didn't move or even attempt to evade?
Shall we ignore the fact taht the entire 5th flet (with DN's barely took it out..WITH shep running interferrance?)
Shall we ignorethe fact it never used it's main gun?
Shall we ignore the fact the devs themselves said that wihout Shep destroying the Saren Avatar, Sovereigns shields would have lasted a lot longer, and the casulaties would have been MUCH (emphasis) higher?
Shall we ignore the fact the reapers have no strategic locations they are forced to defend, hence they can ALWAYS reteret?
Shall we ignore the fact they are faster and more manouverable, and can outmanouver us?
Shall we ignore the fact that a single reaper has a alpha strike that can take out 8 cruisers and 1 DN, while that same force can't even scratch it's painjob?
Shal lwe ignore the fact there will be thousands of repers coming?
And lastly, shall we ignore the fact of massive indoctrination, thus you will be fighting spies, traitors and your former buddies?

After all of that , you really...REALLY think the reapers can be beaten without a Deus Ex MAchina?

Yes.

Honestly, LS, argueing with you is hard work. We should get paid for it.

Arguing? Is that what you call what your doing?

Hm..I kinda expected arguments to back up claims as being a major part of arguments.

And of course arguing with me is hard work. I'm a LVL99+ debater wielding the Keyboard of Logic +12.
My threat rating is too high for youz.

Frankly, I think the DM has it in for you....

If you don't remember we argued before on several occations all across the board, DA and ME. I am just a bit reluctant because I know if I get started it is going to be very long and painful ... again ... and then other people jump in too ... and it is getting even more painful ... and then threads are getting locked ...

My simple answer is there is no certainty in keeping the base. I don't debate that it could be useful, especially in the long run. But there is not much time and Cerberus is untrustworthy at the very best. I simply debate whether it is the best choice to keep the base per se. Maybe we can raise the effeciency of the 'galactic army' by 5 or 10 percent. And of course every percent helps. But it's not like the base can with certainty be salvaged into a super anti reaper weapon. Shepard will have to find another way anyway, no matter if we keep the base or not.

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...
My simple answer is there is no certainty in keeping the base. I don't debate that it could be useful, especially in the long run. But there is not much time and Cerberus is untrustworthy at the very best. I simply debate whether it is the best choice to keep the base per se. Maybe we can raise the effeciency of the 'galactic army' by 5 or 10 percent. And of course every percent helps. But it's not like the base can with certainty be salvaged into a super anti reaper weapon. Shepard will have to find another way anyway, no matter if we keep the base or not.

I wonder on what you are basing the numbers on efficiency? How do you know it will/can be only 5-10%?
A Prothean cache pushed human technology 200 years ahead. 200 years. Do you really think a repaer tech cache (which the CB is) will do anything less?

Of course, at the time Shep makes the decision, he has no idea when the reapers will arrive. It could be months..it could be years. So exactly how much time there is for reasearch and how fast can Cerberus get anything usefull are all unknowns.

We can't defeat the reapers without technological parity. So anything that helps bridge that gap is necessary - especially since there is no guarantee that there is another way at all.

[Lotion Soronarr]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You are funny, Lotion.

While thank, you ambiguous person. I wish I could say something about you with more certanty.

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
My simple answer is there is no certainty in keeping the base. I don't debate that it could be useful, especially in the long run. But there is not much time and Cerberus is untrustworthy at the very best. I simply debate whether it is the best choice to keep the base per se. Maybe we can raise the effeciency of the 'galactic army' by 5 or 10 percent. And of course every percent helps. But it's not like the base can with certainty be salvaged into a super anti reaper weapon. Shepard will have to find another way anyway, no matter if we keep the base or not.

I wonder on what you are basing the numbers on efficiency? How do you know it will/can be only 5-10%?
A Prothean cache pushed human technology 200 years ahead. 200 years. Do you really think a repaer tech cache (which the CB is) will do anything less?

Of course, at the time Shep makes the decision, he has no idea when the reapers will arrive. It could be months..it could be years. So exactly how much time there is for reasearch and how fast can Cerberus get anything usefull are all unknowns.

We can't defeat the reapers without technological parity. So anything that helps bridge that gap is necessary - especially since there is no guarantee that there is another way at all.

You are argueing to your advantage. It be easier if you were more objective.

Yes we had a jump in technology because of the mass relays and stuff. Does it follow that it will happen again? Not necessarily. It could be ofc. Yes, shepard does not know when the Reapers will arrive. It could be in a week, a month, a year ... a day, an hour ... see Arrival DLC. We are already in war. The reapers attcked twice, first the citadel then with the collectors. There is no waiting time or thinking that it may take years.

Cerberus may turn the base against us tomorrow. You can say that would be stupid, but we have no idea what TIM is really about. You even only met him in a hologram. For all we know he could be a Reaper already. Ok, that's unlikely because he wouldn't have sent us agains the reapers. But that's about the scale of possibilities.

You say you base your conclusions of facts. I want to read one fact that supports the claim that the base is useful for us. Not a guess, not fear of failure. I want a plain fact that says, the base can provide this and that. Name the technology and what use it will be. You can't because you are grasping at thin air. All you have is hope that it can provide something useful. While hope in general is not a bad thing, it is still no fact.

We have multiple examples how rushed, unsanctioned research of 'alien' technology backfires, and causes more problems than it was supposed to solve. Your usefulness theory stands against this. And there is nothing more to it, two theories which yet have to be proven or unproven. Cerberus experiments backfire all the time. The Quarian research on Geth backfires, Maelon's research to cure the genophage backfired. Even alliance researches backfire at times, i.e. the L2 implants.

In the long run all research yields progress ... eventually. Even the unethical. But we are not on the long run. Time is short and we may not have the time to deal with a Collector Base backfiring on us while the Reapers besiege earth. If anything, if I could keep the base, I would hide it and only reasearch it after the war with the Reapers. If we still exist then.

I don't know why you so insist on keeping the base and argueing for it. If it was easy, if it was common sense, if it was logic, we would not argue about it for years. The point is, there are points for both options and there is NOTHING that gives certainty for either. It is always a gamble. That's why we still discuss and that's why we are going to keep discussing until we get something of a fact, maybe in ME3.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...
You are argueing to your advantage. It be easier if you were more objective.

Doesn't everyone?
I am objective. Tough I am wondering about you.

Yes we had a jump in technology because of the mass relays and stuff. Does it follow that it will happen again? Not necessarily.

Yes, yes it does.
Studying advanced technology tends to do that.
Mass Relays ARE advanced technology.. and we got the knowledge to use them from the Prothean cache.

Cerberus may turn the base against us tomorrow. You can say that would be stupid, but we have no idea what TIM is really about. You even only met him in a hologram. For all we know he could be a Reaper already. Ok, that's unlikely because he wouldn't have sent us agains the reapers. But that's about the scale of possibilities.

Of course it is stupid. You can't go on trough life expectin everyone to act contrary to all reason. Why are you restricting that thinking to TIM/Cerberus only?
The Alliance might turn against you tomorrow. You can say that would be stupid, but you have no idea what the brass is really about.

If you are willing to entertain the most redicolous and worst scenarios possible for keeping the base, then you have to do the same for destroying it. And while entertaining such scenarios is all fine and dandy, they should be kept within the boundries of reason...Things one can reasonbly expect to happen.

You say you base your conclusions of facts. I want to read one fact that supports the claim that the base is useful for us. Not a guess, not fear of failure. I want a plain fact that says, the base can provide this and that. Name the technology and what use it will be. You can't because you are grasping at thin air. All you have is hope that it can provide something useful. While hope in general is not a bad thing, it is still no fact.

The base being usefull is a fact. Honestly, are you really trying to argue this? Advanced technology and understanding is always usefull.
Stonger shields? Stronger weapons? advanced power sources? Advanced power counduits? Advanced metalurgy? Large-scale construction method? Biological manipulation? Indoctrination defense?
All things one can and will get from studying reaper tech (and that's off the top of my head)... you know it since you've seen the tech. You know it works.  Hence, it is there.

So no, it's not graspign at thin air. It's compeltely the opposite. It's graspign at known things.

Frankly, you're just embarrasing yourself with such poor "arguments."

We have multiple examples how rushed, unsanctioned research of 'alien' technology backfires, and causes more problems than it was supposed to solve. Your usefulness theory stands against this. And there is nothing more to it, two theories which yet have to be proven or unproven. Cerberus experiments backfire all the time. The Quarian research on Geth backfires, Maelon's research to cure the genophage backfired. Even alliance researches backfire at times, i.e. the L2 implants.

In the long run all research yields progress ... eventually. Even the unethical. But we are not on the long run. Time is short and we may not have the time to deal with a Collector Base backfiring on us while the Reapers besiege earth. If anything, if I could keep the base, I would hide it and only reasearch it after the war with the Reapers. If we still exist then.

Your torpedoing your own argument here.

First you claim rushed research is dangerous (which no one disputed) and then you go on about how we don't have time.

It's exactly because we dont' have time that we must grasp at everything we can get our hands on. We don't have the luxury to research slowly. We don't have the luxury to ignore the CB and go looking for something else that may or may not exist.

We dont' have the luxury of NOT using the base to it's fullest. Now. The base backfireing is a drop in the ocean. Insignificant compared to the reapers.
You're being worried about the shotgun MAYBE exploding in your hand, so you refrain from using it when a bear charges at you. Certain death vs. not-so-certain death. Geez, not a difficutl decision, is it?

And study the base AFTER the reapers are defeated? What's the point then? You'd have reaper corpses to pick.

I don't know why you so insist on keeping the base and argueing for it. If it was easy, if it was common sense, if it was logic, we would not argue about it for years. The point is, there are points for both options and there is NOTHING that gives certainty for either. It is always a gamble. That's why we still discuss and that's why we are going to keep discussing until we get something of a fact, maybe in ME3.

Yes, yes we would. Case in point - the entirety of human history.
It doens't matter how common sense something is, because there's plenty of people who don't posses any or ignore it completely. People always argue, regardless of the quality of their arguments.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[Xilizhra]

If you are willing to entertain the most redicolous and worst scenarios possible for keeping the base, then you have to do the same for destroying it. And while entertaining such scenarios is all fine and dandy, they should be kept within the boundries of reason...Things one can reasonbly expect to happen.

Given that Cerberus does, in fact, turn on you in ME3, I believe such a thing could be reasonably predicted.

[AlexXIV]

Yes, yes it does.
Studying advanced technology tends to do that.
Mass Relays ARE advanced technology.. and we got the knowledge to use them from the Prothean cache.

Here we go you answering a question nobody asked to look like you have answers. Good job *claps*

Of course it is stupid. You can't go on trough life expectin everyone to act contrary to all reason. Why are you restricting that thinking to TIM/Cerberus only?
The Alliance might turn against you tomorrow. You can say that would be stupid, but you have no idea what the brass is really about.

Yes, why would I restrict it to TIM who has deliberately cheating, lying, manipulating and is the head of a supposed terrorist or at least illegal organisaton that is considered enemy of Alliance and council. How stupid of me, how can I not see they are the same as everyone. I mean basically everyone else in the world is like TIM and Cerberus, why would I think there is a difference.

If you are willing to entertain the most redicolous and worst scenarios possible for keeping the base, then you have to do the same for destroying it. And while entertaining such scenarios is all fine and dandy, they should be kept within the boundries of reason...Things one can reasonbly expect to happen.

And of course we can't expect Cerberus to betray us. Whoever does that is metagamer because there was no clue that this is a possibility. Nobody even mentions the possibility that we can't trust cerberus, no companion, not Anderson and none of the other people we talk to about Cerberus. The 'Cerberus will betray you' theme runs from start to end of the game, but that doesn't mean we should be suspicious. And the reason is simple. Lotion has a brocrush on TIM. If that's not reason enough then I don't know. Sorry but I chose Liara as a LI, so I cannot follow you there.

The base being usefull is a fact. Honestly, are you really trying to argue this? Advanced technology and understanding is always usefull.

Yes I argue that because I denied that. Not. I said it explicitly that I think research is always useful in the long run, but you don't need to bother with what I said because that would just make it harder for you to act all superiour. Nice try but fail. As I said we probably don't have the time for reseach but why am I even mentioning it you don't want to hear it.

Stonger shields? Stronger weapons? advanced power sources? Advanced power counduits? Advanced metalurgy? Large-scale construction method? Biological manipulation? Indoctrination defense?
All things one can and will get from studying reaper tech (and that's off the top of my head)... you know it since you've seen the tech. You know it works.  Hence, it is there.

Yeah I know it is off the top of your head because there is no data about this. No hint that these things can be obtained on the base. Actually if it was there on the base, why didn't the collectors use it against us? Just curious because they let us capture their base with all this advanced tech that is so much more powerful than our own but ... they didn't use this tech to stop us. But that's no matter because you probably have some silly reason why they wouldn't use it. Because it makes all sense to not use the advanced technology that you are having there on the base for anyone who is bold enough to capture. I could say you overestimate the worth of this kind of tech and that the actual reaper was the only thing of real value, but who am I to lecture the master.

So no, it's not graspign at thin air. It's compeltely the opposite. It's graspign at known things.

Yeah you *know'* things, got that part. Because you don't just throw around wild guesses because it suits you. Sorry but just because you call something logic, it is doesn't make it so. Same counts for facts.

Frankly, you're just embarrasing yourself with such poor "arguments."

Ok, I will say that. If you keep insulting me like this it just makes you look bad. You know why? Because people who have a point don't need to insult. But what would you know about that? Yeah, I am doing it too, so sue me. I am not the one who acts like I am all-knowing and superior to everyone who disagrees with me.

Your torpedoing your own argument here.

First you claim rushed research is dangerous (which no one disputed) and then you go on about how we don't have time.

Yeah totally torpedoing. I say rushed research is bad and we have no time to have lengthy studies, totally contradicting.

It's exactly because we dont' have time that we must grasp at everything we can get our hands on. We don't have the luxury to research slowly. We don't have the luxury to ignore the CB and go looking for something else that may or may not exist.

Ok, because plan A cannot work, we should not try plan B. Makes sense. Instead we go with plan A because ... ugh help me out ... because we already established that it doesn't work?

We dont' have the luxury of NOT using the base to it's fullest. Now. The base backfireing is a drop in the ocean. Insignificant compared to the reapers.

Yeah we don't have the luxory to use it to it's fullest. We have no time, remember? Feels like spoonfeeding here. Backfiring, drop in the ocean. Clear. Of course it is because we can know that. And if we are already fighting a powerful enemy, why not cause couple of more problems, because it doesn't matter because the battle already going badly. Great logic general.

You're being worried about the shotgun MAYBE exploding in your hand, so you refrain from using it when a bear charges at you. Certain death vs. not-so-certain death. Geez, not a difficutl decision, is it?

If a shotgun exploding in my hands were the biggest problem you'd make sense here. Why are we talking about shotguns and bears? Did the bears ally with the reapers? Sorry but your metaphors don't even work. The base could be a thousand times bigger problem than an exploding shotgun, or do you already have blueprints for a super weapon and talking about that?

And study the base AFTER the reapers are defeated? What's the point then? You'd have reaper corpses to pick.

Because there might be information on the base that is not on every single reaper? We have sovereign already, not much to pick from there.

Yes, yes we would. Case in point - the entirety of human history.
It doens't matter how common sense something is, because there's plenty of people who don't posses any or ignore it completely. People always argue, regardless of the quality of their arguments.

No, not all people, only some. And some people think if they are louder or act more superior or insult others they can push over other people's opinions even though they make perfect sense. In opposite to you I never claimed that destroying the base is smarter. I claim both choices make sense from a certain point of view. That's the difference between us. You think you are right and others are wrong. I think I am right but others may also have good points. And the fact that Cerberus allies with the Reapers proves my point and disproves yours. You can ofc argue how Bioware writing sucks, but then again you are not going to do a better job are you? In any gaming company? Anytime? No? Call it metagaming or whatever but I argued these points since release and we are proven right in the end. And I am even generous enough to admit that you had good points keeping it, despite the fact that you failed. And you still act like you are in posession of the ultimate truth even though you long lost and like everyone who disagrees is a moron. Sorry but look into the mirror.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 07 décembre 2011 - 03:09 .

[Andorfiend]

Obviously Paragons will always have the best outcomes and content.

Consider the sole survivor background Shepard. Only with a massive paragon score can you prevent Cpl. Toombs from killing Dr Wayne. Renegade Shep shoots the man himself.

And therefor only the Paragon Shepard gets to benefit from Dr. Waynes research in ME 3, which reveals that the thresher maws are intelligent and can be reasoned with, which allows Paragon Shepard to go back to Akuze and recruit the Thresher Maw which ate his men, thereby gaining a powerful ally* and laying his personal demons about that tragic misunderstanding to rest.

And of course in on ship conversations we discover that the Thresher Maw "Mr. Cuddles" is a charming conversationalist, who dabbles in Haiku.

* Mr. Cuddles is not a normal squadmate of course, Thresher Maw senses are not good at distinguishing one tiny delicious humanoid from another. So he actually acts as a heavy weapon, only attacking targets Shepard 'paints' by shooting them with a paintball gun loaded with tummy-tingling-tuchanka sauce.

Of couse it will all go to hell when fan outcry forces Bioware to make Mr. Cuddles an optional love interest in the DLC "Lair of the Otaku", but that's besides the point.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 07 décembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Andorfiend: I think you're on to something.

[Labrev]

laecraft wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Like topics featuring TIM-gushing with endless pictures, some bordering on hentai?

You used to be fun on here, now you joined the whining-babies side and are just a cornball.

After the leak revealed the truth, Seboist's posts is one of the last few good things remaining on BSN. <3 Including but not limited to TIM gushing with pictures.

Especially with the likes of you abound, labeling discontent and criticism as "whining". You've joined the foam of this forum.

The likes of me? The normal - and unapologetic - fan that is here only for discussion? Thanks to serial idiots like Kaiser Shepard and his minions around the forum who spam topics with irrelevant "our decisions don't matter! (wahhh!)" posts in threads about gameplay and individual features, no one can discuss anything without you whining-babies going thread-hijack in the pettiest of ways.

It's pretty telling how, when faced with someone actually addressing how silly their gripes are (the way I just did in this thread, pointing out to Kaiser not wanting missions for "fairness" is idiotic, and then Dave of Canada for needing to metagame to validate his decisions), they have nothing to say. If you had legitimate criticism and discontent, you would. But you don't. That's not "criticism" as you want to eupthemize it, that's whining. To the point where now, you've made a hobby out of whining and playing the victim to big bad Bioware. That's why Seboist and the rest of you can't leave this place, you need to whine like a crackhead needs meth (while preaching supposed impulse-control).

You're here only to b*tch and moan about how you didn't get what you want. Guess what missy, NONE OF US DID!!! People wanting their favorites get perma-squad status were let down. People not wanting multiplayer (for whatever messed up reasoning) were let down. People saw features in the leaked beta they did not agree with. I saw something big in the leaked script I expressly did not want to. But I've put those things aside (for now, I'll will undoubtedly voice criticism over things I didn't like later) and am focusing on what there is that I am happy/excited about. If I act rotten like you, I'm not going to enjoy the game, period (and thus, am wasting my time here). Rotten people are never "pleasantly suprised" later.

Why can't your particular loud and extremely annoying faction do the same? Because you're whiners, it's what you do. You whine. And you know what, fine. Knock yourself out. But face up to it when people on here call you out for being what you are. I know it's hard, you don't even want to accept responsibility for the choices you make in the damn game (btw I've made the same ones, too!). If you can't handle that much, then leave.

Makes me wanna puke. #mikegundy

[Ryzaki]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
So someone kills your LI and professes they will change what do you do to them? She may have an likely has been complicit in killing people or at least manslaughter for ODs and crime related activities by underlings and users of product. She is guilty in my book.

That's hardly the same, she wasn't killing anyone, in fact she wanted to tone down the syndicate so there was NO killing. I don't remember the exact details, but what she had in mind was less than killing people.

Hell Shep can even point out to her that her organization's name is forever marred by being involved in slave trading.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's hilarious, in the way that only unintentional self-parody can be?

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

*snip* and then Dave of Canada for needing to metagame to validate his decisions *snip*

Sorry, would've responded but you're obviously seeing what you want to see, dear. How can I respond to delusions?

[Dave of Canada]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

*puts popcorn away* Darn it, looks like there's not going to be a fight after all. You mature people suck out all the fun.

If you'd like, I could forget the past few years.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 décembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[Labrev]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

*snip* and then Dave of Canada for needing to metagame to validate his decisions *snip*

Sorry, would've responded but you're obviously seeing what you want to see, dear. How can I respond to delusions?

When you don't respond, I can only conclude its because you have nary a leg to stand on.

The thinking is simple: what doesn't happen doesn't validate what does. In my story, Helena Blake gets shot. In others, she is alive as a social worker. Is my decision invalidated? No, my judgement is that she'd be doing criminal activity again if I'd let her walk free. In ME2, she's not doing any mischief, because I killed her.

There's your validation, and that is how you play renegade, as opposed to playing renegade with a paragon heart.

[Dave of Canada]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

When you don't respond, I can only conclude its because you have nary a leg to stand on.

The thinking is simple: what doesn't happen doesn't validate what does. In my story, Helena Blake gets shot. In others, she is alive as a social worker. Is my decision invalidated? No, my judgement is that she'd be doing criminal activity again if I'd let her walk free. In ME2, she's not doing any mischief, because I killed her.

There's your validation, and that is how you play renegade, as opposed to playing renegade with a paragon heart.

Except nobody mentions your decision, your decision occured in a bubble and you might as well not have done that decision at all as the galaxy doesn't give a damn.

Why should those who've killed her and not disband her organization not hear about how the organization was reformed with a new leader, as it wasn't disbanded and new people took power? That's my "metagame" argument, asking for balanced consequence, mentions and unique content.

It has nothing to do with my justification for decisions and the like, I've argued those countless times and I wouldn't play renegade if I didn't. If I was metagaming justifications, I'd play paragon, no?

Edit: Helena Blake also happens to be a bad example, as she isn't a renegade decision. So technically, I'm asking for support of being neutral and renegade.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[Andorfiend]

Saphra Deden wrote...

@Hah Yes Reapers

So you think it is perfectly acceptable that a Renegade import is largely the same as a vanilla game (where you didn't import)?

You don't think Renegades might have a good reason to feel cheated in that case because it means they aren't really getting much out of the import feature? You know, that feature that largely sets Mass Effect apart from other games?

Getting into the Paragon favoritism in how choices bend to make Shepard look good... Fine, I can understand why you're happy with that because you have... questionable taste. Ultimately that is subjective. I think it's contrived and even laughable bull**** and that it undermines the seriousness and fun of the moral choices, but hey, live and let live.

It has nothing to do with Paragon vs Renegade.

If ME 3 is scripted to nullify the choices made previously in the series, indeed if all content is available on a single playthrough, then BW will have betrayed the promise made when they started this project. And I will stop being a Bioware customer. That's not a threat to Bioware btw, just an observation.

If Cerberus has gone evil ... eviler then they should be presented differently depending on if I blew up the Reaper base. IE: More mechs and husks if I did, and more indoctrinated 'normal' foes if I didn't.

If I released the Rachni Queen then there should be Rachni present in the galaxy, whichever side they fight on. If I didn't they should not be, any Rachni related missions should be unavailable or rescripted with different foes on that playthrough.

If I blew up the Council in ME 1 then in ME 3 the council races should be weaker and provide fewer ships, or harder 'convince me' missions than if I saved them in ME 3. Likewise if the alliance lost a lot of ships saving the council in ME 1 then they should have fewer ships in the battle cinematics in ME 3.

If they instead retconn all my choices into oblivion, then to hell with ME 3. Renegade or Paragon is immaterial.