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Yes, yes it does.
Studying advanced technology tends to do that.
Mass Relays ARE advanced technology.. and we got the knowledge to use them from the Prothean cache.
Here we go you answering a question nobody asked to look like you have answers. Good job *claps*
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You did ask it:
"Yes we had a jump in technology because of the mass relays and stuff. Does it follow that it will happen again?"
Smokescreens cna't help you here bub. Your argument has been sunk. Accept it an move on.
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Yes, why would I restrict it to TIM who has deliberately cheating, lying, manipulating and is the head of a supposed terrorist or at least illegal organisaton that is considered enemy of Alliance and council. How stupid of me, how can I not see they are the same as everyone. I mean basically everyone else in the world is like TIM and Cerberus, why would I think there is a difference.[/quote]
Because there isn't really. The game pretty much showed you that all other factions have skeletons in their closets too.
How naive do you have to be to consider a government - ANY government - a paragon of virtue... And at the same time consider a pragmatic man trying to save the galaxy a total monster.
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And of course we can't expect Cerberus to betray us. Whoever does that is metagamer because there was no clue that this is a possibility. Nobody even mentions the possibility that we can't trust cerberus, no companion, not Anderson and none of the other people we talk to about Cerberus. The 'Cerberus will betray you' theme runs from start to end of the game, but that doesn't mean we should be suspicious. And the reason is simple. Lotion has a brocrush on TIM. If that's not reason enough then I don't know. Sorry but I chose Liara as a LI, so I cannot follow you there.[/quote]
It is really a stupid thing to expect, all things considered. humanity is about to be wiped out. All life in the galaxy is about to be wiped out.
Even Hitler would jump in the band wagon to fight that. And Cerberus has been CONSISTENT in fighting the reapers.
So yes, expecting their "betrayl" as a given is in defiance of all logic. It's purely emotially ladden and full of negative bias.
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The base being usefull is a fact. Honestly, are you really trying to argue this? Advanced technology and understanding is always usefull.
Yes I argue that because I denied that. Not. I said it explicitly that I think research is always useful in the long run, but you don't need to bother with what I said because that would just make it harder for you to act all superiour. Nice try but fail. As I said we probably don't have the time for reseach but why am I even mentioning it you don't want to hear it.
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I dressed that point quite nicely. you don't KNOW if oyu have time and ho muhc time you have. It's is simply idiotic to drop a potentiayyl vital resource, because you "MIGHT not be able to make full use of it". Heck, even a few days of research would probably boost human understanding considerably.
Keep trying to act like an injured/wronged party...maybe someone will take your side out of pitty.
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Stonger shields? Stronger weapons? advanced power sources? Advanced power counduits? Advanced metalurgy? Large-scale construction method? Biological manipulation? Indoctrination defense?
All things one can and will get from studying reaper tech (and that's off the top of my head)... you know it since you've seen the tech. You know it works. Hence, it is there.
Yeah I know it is off the top of your head because there is no data about this. No hint that these things can be obtained on the base. Actually if it was there on the base, why didn't the collectors use it against us? Just curious because they let us capture their base with all this advanced tech that is so much more powerful than our own but ... they didn't use this tech to stop us. But that's no matter because you probably have some silly reason why they wouldn't use it. Because it makes all sense to not use the advanced technology that you are having there on the base for anyone who is bold enough to capture. I could say you overestimate the worth of this kind of tech and that the actual reaper was the only thing of real value, but who am I to lecture the master.[/quote]
They were building a reaper. All reapers have those things I mentioned. Or do you think their guns and engines and shield just pop ito existence by themselves?
So yes, it can be obtained, because it's logical to expect it to be there. We saw reaper tech around. The Baby reaper even had weapons.
As to why didn't they use it agaisnt us? Probably because they didn't have time to prepare it (the arrival of Normandy was a surprise) or because that stuff od for reapers only, not their collector puppets.
And if you say the actual reaper is the only thing of value, then that by itself contains all the things I mention. Repaer is built out of reaper parts with reaper tech.
You can't really assemble a state of the art carrier in any shipyard, now can you? No, it requires specialized tools, machinery and know-how.
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Yeah you *know'* things, got that part. Because you don't just throw around wild guesses because it suits you. Sorry but just because you call something logic, it is doesn't make it so. Same counts for facts.[/quote]
And just because you call it's not, doesn't make it so either.
If oyu would bother to actually point flaws in my arguments, go ahead. You haven't proven very sucesfull so far.
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Frankly, you're just embarrasing yourself with such poor "arguments."
Ok, I will say that. If you keep insulting me like this it just makes you look bad. You know why? Because people who have a point don't need to insult. But what would you know about that? Yeah, I am doing it too, so sue me. I am not the one who acts like I am all-knowing and superior to everyone who disagrees with me.[/quote]
Again with the wounded/underdog card?
If you think poitning out the logical fallacies is an insult, I have to wonder how oyu make it trough the day at all.
I actually wrote that because I felt pitty. For you. I wnated to spare you the embarresment. But hey, if you want to go ahead, I can't stop you.
But it's not fun to watch at all.
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Your torpedoing your own argument here.
First you claim rushed research is dangerous (which no one disputed) and then you go on about how we don't have time.
Yeah totally torpedoing. I say rushed research is bad and we have no time to have lengthy studies, totally contradicting.
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Yes you are. Because you're basicly claiming both options are bad. And that's clearly not the case.
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It's exactly because we dont' have time that we must grasp at everything we can get our hands on. We don't have the luxury to research slowly. We don't have the luxury to ignore the CB and go looking for something else that may or may not exist.
Ok, because plan A cannot work, we should not try plan B. Makes sense. Instead we go with plan A because ... ugh help me out ... because we already established that it doesn't work?[/quote]
No, we didn't establish it doesn't work. We established it's risky/dangerous. We also established magnificent payoffs.
Next problems pls.
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We dont' have the luxury of NOT using the base to it's fullest. Now. The base backfireing is a drop in the ocean. Insignificant compared to the reapers.
Yeah we don't have the luxory to use it to it's fullest. We have no time, remember? Feels like spoonfeeding here. Backfiring, drop in the ocean. Clear. Of course it is because we can know that. And if we are already fighting a powerful enemy, why not cause couple of more problems, because it doesn't matter because the battle already going badly. Great logic general.
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Actually, it is great logic. Thank heavens you arne't a general... for the sake of your men.
Your chances of victory are practicly 0.You have a chance of uppign that chance considerably, maybe even make victory actually possible. Yet you're too afraid to take that course, because it might insted reduce your chances by 1%..
And you call that a plan?
In your case it's not "we fight or we die", it's "we die".
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You're being worried about the shotgun MAYBE exploding in your hand, so you refrain from using it when a bear charges at you. Certain death vs. not-so-certain death. Geez, not a difficutl decision, is it?
If a shotgun exploding in my hands were the biggest problem you'd make sense here. Why are we talking about shotguns and bears? Did the bears ally with the reapers? Sorry but your metaphors don't even work. The base could be a thousand times bigger problem than an exploding shotgun, or do you already have blueprints for a super weapon and talking about that?[/quote]
The reapers a BILLION times bigger problem than a bear too.
Metaphor works wonderfully.
Without the shotgun you need a miracle to defeat that bear. and it's exactly BECASEU the shotgun ins't the biggest problem that it does make perfect sense. But I seee that went completely over your head.
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And study the base AFTER the reapers are defeated? What's the point then? You'd have reaper corpses to pick.
Because there might be information on the base that is not on every single reaper? We have sovereign already, not much to pick from there.[i][/quote]
Really? Like what? A reaper has the best of the reaper tech.
The reason why we didn't get much out of sovereign is that not much was left (salvagers, keepers). You are nto going to have that problem after the war. For one, no keepers to take hte pieces, for another, with that many reapers, you'll have plent of parts to go around.
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No, not all people, only some. And some people think if they are louder or act more superior or insult others they can push over other people's opinions even though they make perfect sense. In opposite to you I never claimed that destroying the base is smarter. I claim both choices make sense from a certain point of view. That's the difference between us. You think you are right and others are wrong. I think I am right but others may also have good points. And the fact that Cerberus allies with the Reapers proves my point and disproves yours. You can ofc argue how Bioware writing sucks, but then again you are not going to do a better job are you? In any gaming company? Anytime? No? Call it metagaming or whatever but I argued these points since release and we are proven right in the end. And I am even generous enough to admit that you had good points keeping it, despite the fact that you failed. And you still act like you are in posession of the ultimate truth even though you long lost and like everyone who disagrees is a moron. Sorry but look into the mirror.
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I don't really care what superiority claim (in this case it's a moral superiortiy, because I'm being "mean").
What you see as smugness is nothing more than confidence in ones arguments. And I have every reason to be confident.
Your claims don't make perfect sense. Actually they make very little sense. Debunking them was easy.
And sure, some arguments make "sense" from a given point of view - but point of views themselves can be very flawed.
For example ,the point of view that Cerberus is hte biggest evil ever and TIM s Space super-Hitler, the point of view that reapers aren't really that dangerous, etc, etc...
Flawed presumptions that corrode your entire line of reasoning. If you start with rotten foundations, no amount of logic built upon that can save the arguments.
I won't even adress the "wh aren't you makign a game" because that's not an argument. that's...well, nothing really, but an angry rant, that only fools belive adds any credence or weight to arguments.
As for you being proven right. Nope. You are not. Cerberus working agaisnt Sheppard doesn't prove you right at all.
It's the "general after the battle" thing.
Decisions are judged as sound or not depending on information you have at the moment - not the outcome.
So as much as you try to wriggle out a technical victory by raping good logic, you are not sucedding. Keep trying.
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