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[The Unfallen]

The Smoking Man wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

GodWood wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
Based on opinion! How is killing Terminator-Saren any more or less ridiculous?

It wasn't great but it at least looked original and wasn't powered by human smoothies.

Well, you think spider-Lucifer is marginally more acceptable than human smoothies. I think the whole thing is a silly conversation.

I do too, because he didn't have glowy WEAK SPOTS and didn't look like a carbon copy of that boss from some 90's sidescroller whose name escapes me at the moment.

You can't tell me your jaw didnt hit the floor when that 500 ft tall behemoth eclipsed the edge of the gameplay map and proceeded to blast **** out of its mouth...

[KLUME777]

Phaedon wrote...

Is it that difficult?

ME1 didn't have anything, just an extremely small fleet battle and then debris almost crushing Shepard. It was actually made good due to the track used in the final seconds of the scene called "Alliance Victory"

ME2 wasn't that good by itself either. Even smaller space action, which would only get much more interesting if you didn't upgrade, a small epic speech. suicide mission part 1, another speech, suicide mission part 2, blowing up the base, etc etc.

The cinematics on both were somewhat interesting, but it was the music who made them. Anyone who doesn't think that the SM was awesome, should replay ME2 from the beginning, build up to the Suicide Mission, and then notice how great pacing the Suicide Mission and End Run tracks introduce.

I kinda agree with most of what you say, but Mass Effect 1's ending is incredible even without music. Go watch on youtube, the part where sovereign crashes through the Turian(?) dreadnought, the part where he glides into the sealed up citidel, all the parts with Sovereign. Just the creepy way he moves through space and the angles they used makes ME1 ending unique and interesting, which sets it apart from the (while still really cool) kind of generic  space-action ending scenes of Mass Effect 2.

[Fhaileas]

I think what the OP actually  meant to ask was:

"How Mass Effect 3 could possibly have a more retarded climax than Mass Effect 2?" -- In that case, don't worry! I'm sure the new incarnation of Bioware will not fail to disappoint as usual! :happy:

 

Modifié par Fhaileas, 05 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .

[darknoon5]

Fhaileas wrote...

I think what the OP actually  meant to ask was:

"How Mass Effect 3 could possibly have a more retarded climax than Mass Effect 2?" -- In that case, don't worry! I'm sure the new incarnation of Bioware will not fail to disappoint as usual! :happy:

 

Good one, I'm dying of laugher.

In all seriousness, I thought both climaxes were good with the exception of the bosses (erg) but probably slightly prefer ME2's ending, if only for the awesome suicide mission music.

[Ulathar]

Fhaileas wrote...

I think what the OP actually  meant to ask was:

"How Mass Effect 3 could possibly have a more retarded climax than Mass Effect 2?" -- In that case, don't worry! I'm sure the new incarnation of Bioware will not fail to disappoint as usual! :happy:

 

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Now it makes sense.

[Matchy Pointy]

Personally, I found the climax of ME far, far superior to the one of ME2.

[Captain Crash]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

I think what the OP actually  meant to ask was:

"How Mass Effect 3 could possibly have a more retarded climax than Mass Effect 2?" -- In that case, don't worry! I'm sure the new incarnation of Bioware will not fail to disappoint as usual! :happy:

 

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. Now it makes sense.

Indeed.   I try to forget about the end of ME2 it was just so silly.   I was more confused as to why I was fighting a Terminator so that everything after that pont was just like...   wait what just happened? Why did Bioware do that? What?  Why?   Really? 


ME1 ending I actually had a tear in my eye it was that awesome!  See Shep climbing out the wreckage and the end speech.  Loved it.   

[Ghost Warrior]

I find ME1 climax somewhat better then ME2. And don't worry,I have a feeling that the one in ME3 will leave us breathless.

[Candidate 88766]

Both games had fantastic climaxes. I think ME2's is better than ME1's if you lost squadmates on the suicide mission, otherwise I'm leaning towards ME1's being the best of the two. They were both great though, particularly because of the music that went with them. ME1 had the epic sounding victory music followed shortly by M4 part 2, which was a winning combination. ME2 had the escape from the base, made better by the scene with Collector General the OP mentioned, followed shortly by more epic music and the reveal of the Reapers.

The fact that Bioware has managed 2 epic endings gives me confidence they can manage it for ME3. I mean, if they can make killing 1 Reaper and destroying the base of some Reaper servants epic then making the defeat of all the Reapers epic should be a walk in the park.

I'd argue the boss fights for both were a bit daft though. ME1 turned Saren into a robotic frog and ME2 took the idea of a human Reaper far too literally. It would have been much better if they had used some of the concepts that made it look a bit like a robotic fetus. But we're discussing the endings of the games, not the boss fights, and both games had fantastic endings in my opinion.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:30 .

[VolusNamedBob]

What worked about ME2's climax was the fact that any of the squad can die, including you. I felt attached to the characters and I cared about them. It kept me on edge right from the moment the Normandy goes through the relay. With the way they're building up the hopelessness of ME3, it could top it.

[GreaseMunkeh]

How can it? Quite easily. I thought the climax of ME2 was tacky, sucked, and was just a repeat of ME1s ending, only much worse, and in fact tainted ME1s ending.

Hopefully since theyve got to try something different again, as opposed to "the reapers are still out there", itll be able to top ME1 if were lucky.

[CroGamer002]

Captain Crash wrote...

Indeed.   I try to forget about the end of ME2 it was just so silly.   I was more confused as to why I was fighting a Terminator so that everything after that pont was just like...   wait what just happened? Why did Bioware do that? What?  Why?   Really? 


ME1 ending I actually had a tear in my eye it was that awesome!  See Shep climbing out the wreckage and the end speech.  Loved it.   

http://social.biowar...3/index/7741788


And don't make me start a thread to explain that Human Reapers doesn't look like Terminator, at all.

[Boiny Bunny]

The Unfallen wrote...

The Smoking Man wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

GodWood wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...
Based on opinion! How is killing Terminator-Saren any more or less ridiculous?

It wasn't great but it at least looked original and wasn't powered by human smoothies.

Well, you think spider-Lucifer is marginally more acceptable than human smoothies. I think the whole thing is a silly conversation.

I do too, because he didn't have glowy WEAK SPOTS and didn't look like a carbon copy of that boss from some 90's sidescroller whose name escapes me at the moment.

You can't tell me your jaw didnt hit the floor when that 500 ft tall behemoth eclipsed the edge of the gameplay map and proceeded to blast **** out of its mouth...

Nope, not in the slightest.  In fact, I believe I was thinking at the time, oh god, this is one of the lamest final bosses I've fought in recent years.

IMO: Huge =/= good.

Personally, if you want to talk about some big boss that is jaw dropping, I found the 'Epilogue' and final boss in Bayonetta to be 500x more jaw dropping than the boss of ME2.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:09 .

[Captain Crash]

Mesina2 wrote...

And don't make me start a thread to explain that Human Reapers doesn't look like Terminator, at all.

wait what?   

https://lh3.googleus...om/_iuiqYtsykKo

http://trendsupdates.../terminator.jpg


No your right, they look nothing alike 

[Phaffner]

I think ME1's ending was far superior to ME2's. The big giant humen reaper was just stupid IMO. Only good thing about the whole ending of ME2 was, 1. anyone could die. and 2. It ended.

[morrie23]

The suicide mission was fine, until the human Reaper, end bosses that make me laugh out load are not good. So I think it is going to be relatively straight-forward for BioWare to top ME2's ending. Come to think of it, just don't have an end boss, the narrative should build to a epic and satisfying conclusion without the need to have Shep shooting at some big baddie.

Modifié par morrie23, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:52 .

[Chaos Gate]

I didn't think the conclusion to ME2 was climatic at all. The entire suicide mission felt boring and tedious, and it wasn't even built up properly throughout the game. The ending was pointless, along with the rest of the ME2 experience, in my opinion.

The ending to ME1, however, felt like the entire universe was in the balance. It was that good!

[CroGamer002]

Captain Crash wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

And don't make me start a thread to explain that Human Reapers doesn't look like Terminator, at all.

wait what?   

https://lh3.googleus...om/_iuiqYtsykKo

http://trendsupdates.../terminator.jpg


No your right, they look nothing alike 

Outside of human metal skeleton, they look nothing alike.

Hell, even skeleton looks very different.

[Daiyus]

Han Shot First wrote...

Bioware has been 2/2 for with their endings so far, so I'm not worried about the third. Did you play Mass Effect 1 or are you a PS3 player that came late to the series?

If so, check this out. The ME1 ending is seriously epic:

Fast forward to about 3:00

True that. I'm a PS3 player, but I had an Xbox for a long time, and played ME1 to death. It's still on of the best endings to a game I've ever experienced. ME2 doesn't even come close in my opinion (although nostalgia may be a large part of that ).

Hopefully BioWare can pull off some really cool alternative endings forME3.

[Casterdael]

I can agree with the OP on the end scenes being very tragic. When compared to ME1 it is the better ending. However, I can think about ME3-endings that also have the possibility of being tragic, or being even more in that sense.

[Fhaileas]

ME2 and it's ending sucked!

[Chuvvy]

The game actually gives you an orgasm.

[matt-bassist]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Mass Effect 2, imo, had the best climax ever in a video game. How can Mass Effect 3 possibly better it?

First of all, we can probably all agree that the climax was when Harbinger said, coldly and in a rejective manner...."You have failed. We will find another way. **curled up arms in a very precise and neat manner** Releasing control."

The Collector then turns and watches his or her demise consume him. And, of course, the Normandy made a narrow escape from the explosion.


The music was fantastic and emotional...spectacular...and so were the underlying elements to what happened.

The Reapers threw away the Collectors without hesitation after it was determined they failed. Now, maybe the Reapers pushed all the blame on the Collectors and couldn't take credit for their shortcomings....Harbinger supposedly directly intervened, albeit, and I'm sure this is how it was in their eyes...through a weak or 'redundant' form.

Another great part of the climax was the Collector's reaction after Harbinger released control. The ruined Prothean looked relieved and exhausted, almost embracing not only its death, but finally the true and final extinction of the remnants of the Prothean species.

Was Saren's way the right way? No.

Have pity for the Collectors. It could be us next.

The climax was spectacular, but how is BioWare going to top it in ME3?? It's going to take a lot to top it. Obviously, the story is ending, but hopefully BioWare can capture the little aspects and subtle subplots in THE climax of the series.

Cleary you haven't played Mass Effect 1... <_< You don't need to look far to find a game with a better ending...