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[BloodDragon930]

So I'm thinking of doing a new playthrough for DA:O that I can import into DA2. My last playthrough I took into DA2 was my Male Cousland who went off with Morrigan :3

So on my new playthrough that I also want to use as a back story for DA2 aswell; I'm strongly leaning towards playing a Human Mage, preferbly a female. However I want her to get onit with Alistair, but I do not know whether to make him King or be a bit selfish and make him remain a Grey Warden. Which do you think works out better for my little miss Mage!? I know I could harden him and make him king and have him still with my F/Mage, but I wonder which would be more better.

Also, if I did keep Alistair as a Warden, would he still turn up in Awakening as a King (heard of a glitch, never tried it out to see if it worked on mine) and if so if the glitch does occure does that me in DA2 he's a king even if I did make him remain a warden!? And if you meet him in DA2 as a Warden; does he mention my mage when he gives you that item (not saying A friend of mine gave it me a long time ago) like something a long the lines of someone special to him gave it to him!?

Bit long just about one choice but I do like my playthroughs perfect xD and don't want him to not act as if him and my F/warden didn't have anything!!

Hope use can help

[OBakaSama]

No idea myself.

I'd suggest posting on the DA2 boards as well as they might have better knowledge regarding import decisions.

[BloodDragon930]

Okay, cheers

[Zjarcal]

If Alistair is a warden he won't show up in Awakening at all (I never got that glitch).

In his DA2 warden cameo he does mention his lover (and acknowledged as such, not just a friend) when giving the item to Hawke.

[BloodDragon930]

Zjarcal wrote...

If Alistair is a warden he won't show up in Awakening at all (I never got that glitch).

In his DA2 warden cameo he does mention his lover (and acknowledged as such, not just a friend) when giving the item to Hawke.

Yeahhh I know he doesn't show up but I'd seen a couple of people saying it was a glitch that he'd still turn up as king. And thanks for letting me know that he does acknowledge the relationship between him and the female warden, thats put my mind at rest lol

[Last Darkness]

I always enjoy the fact that players force Alistair into becoming King even though hes a bad leader with no experince and will just become a puppet to the other Banns while hes on the throne. Add in that he regularly voices that he never wants to live that life.
Yet everyone is like go on the throne Alistair !!!

Very few people ever take Alistairs wishes into consideration, especialy those that claim to love him. Im sure are only in it for becoming Queen.

Keep in mind, your screwed as a mage if he becomes King since theres no possible way to continue the romance and if you bring him to the final battle he will always sacrifice his life to save you. (Incidentialy if hes the only ruler then this leaves a huge power vacum for the leadership of ferelden)

Think about your actions people


Alistair works best as remaining a Warden, or marrying Anora and ruling together. In that order.
Also keep in mind while Lohgain is best to keep alive. Its not a option to keep Alistair, unless maybe you harden him. If you kill Lohgain that will certainly have a effect on Anora since you did it in front of her.
So Conundrums....hehe

I dislike Alistair, because hes a White Knight in a dark world refusing to accept reality conflicting with his fantasy.
Hes much more bearable hardened at least.

Also of course this also means hes going to have to be forced to sleep with Morrigan otherwise one of you two is going to die.

Talk about Drama haha

[Addai]

Last Darkness wrote...

I always enjoy the fact that players force Alistair into becoming King even though hes a bad leader with no experince and will just become a puppet to the other Banns while hes on the throne. Add in that he regularly voices that he never wants to live that life.
Yet everyone is like go on the throne Alistair !!!

Very few people ever take Alistairs wishes into consideration, especialy those that claim to love him. Im sure are only in it for becoming Queen.

Alistair lacks confidence in his abilities, but especially as a friend and/or lover, you may see something in him that he does not see himself, and consider that something- integrity, compassion- better qualities for a leader than Anora's self-serving, grasping ambition.  This is a valid game perspective.  The epilogues bear out that he does a decent job as king, whether paired with Anora or not.

Keep in mind, your screwed as a mage if he becomes King since theres no possible way to continue the romance and if you bring him to the final battle he will always sacrifice his life to save you. (Incidentialy if hes the only ruler then this leaves a huge power vacum for the leadership of ferelden)

Think about your actions people

You can continue the relationship if he is hardened, and obviously not everyone rejects Morrigan's offer or even feels badly about taking it.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 juillet 2011 - 04:19 .

[BloodDragon930]

Last Darkness wrote...

I always enjoy the fact that players force Alistair into becoming King even though hes a bad leader with no experince and will just become a puppet to the other Banns while hes on the throne. Add in that he regularly voices that he never wants to live that life.
Yet everyone is like go on the throne Alistair !!!

Very few people ever take Alistairs wishes into consideration, especialy those that claim to love him. Im sure are only in it for becoming Queen.

Keep in mind, your screwed as a mage if he becomes King since theres no possible way to continue the romance and if you bring him to the final battle he will always sacrifice his life to save you. (Incidentialy if hes the only ruler then this leaves a huge power vacum for the leadership of ferelden)

Think about your actions people


Alistair works best as remaining a Warden, or marrying Anora and ruling together. In that order.
Also keep in mind while Lohgain is best to keep alive. Its not a option to keep Alistair, unless maybe you harden him. If you kill Lohgain that will certainly have a effect on Anora since you did it in front of her.
So Conundrums....hehe

I dislike Alistair, because hes a White Knight in a dark world refusing to accept reality conflicting with his fantasy.
Hes much more bearable hardened at least.

Also of course this also means hes going to have to be forced to sleep with Morrigan otherwise one of you two is going to die.

Talk about Drama haha

I disagree with that. Fair point if Alistair wasn't hardened and you stuck him on the throne, then yes I can see him being a puppet for the Bann's, but hardened I doubt it. He even stated he wanted to go on the throne when I hardened him, and would possibly have been very p*ssed if I said no. Plus he gave an amazing speech before the final battle ^^

and just like Addai 67 said,

Addai67 wrote...
You can continue the relationship if he is hardened, and obviously not
everyone rejects Morrigan's offer or even feels badly about taking
it.

Which is true, but the question I asked was if I did romance him which would be more beneficial in DA2 and anyother imports in the future, My Mage as Alistairs Mistress or Him staying by herside as a Warden.

Also I do not feel bad about taking up Morrigans offer. I love Morrigan, and she shall be my Mage Wardens Best frienddd
So her offering a way out of the cycle of one of us dying isn't so bad. I wouldn't want to see Alistair the love of my mage's life sacrifice himself, and I wouldn't wanna die after going through all that; but thats possibly me being selfish and valuing my own life. But anyway, Morrigans offer yes many may think it's bad but I certainly don't.

[Last Darkness]

I always prefer to have Hardend Alistair rule together with Anora and conscript Loghain into the Wardens.
I then do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan, because often my warden's love her, and because I belive its for the best. There needs to be some kinda change in the cycle instead of blight after blight.

I just generaly cant stand him until you can Harden him. As I often choose a more Grey morality path to doing things. The Wrong or Right morla deicions are not always what has to get done. He has naive problems with this.

[BloodDragon930]

I like unhardened Alistair, but I do think when he is Hardened he does take a stand to do what is right without a complaint. I can never recruit Loghain, which I know it could be more beneficial but I just can't; he was a fool who thought he had everything in control since Ostagar and in my eyes deserved to be killed. Plus Alistair will hate on me if I let hin live

On the matter of Morrigan, yes every male character I play as is always in love with her especially my Dante Cousland
I believe Morrigans dark ritual is the easier option than having a choice between the warden & Alistair/Loghain, it has the better outcome; so to speak. I believe in myself it is right , plus a nice touch when it comes to witch hunt when my cousland goes through the eluvian with her.

[Arthur Cousland]

I like both versions of Alistair.

Unhardened, he's a goofy, happy-go-lucky kind of guy who's entertaining to have around.

Hardened, he's the same guy as before, though he grows a pair and starts taking things more seriously.

I also have him rule with Anora, as they make an effective pair as rulers and I don't want to see him executed or exiled.

[Last Darkness]

@BloodDragon930

Try having Alistair rule with Anora but recruit Lohgain and dont do the Dark Ritual and have Logie take one for the team. Seems a redeeming end for him.

Plus you can Romance Leliana, Zevran, or Alistair. You can remain the "Kings Consort" I belive if you want.

Romance wise, I like Leliana for some Wardens (Especialy if you dont harden her and are a "good" guy, Hardend she reminds me of too many of my crazy ex girlfriends lol). But Female Dwarf Noble + Zevran is incredibly entertaining.

[Sir Edric]

Harden Alistair is the way to go, but I would never have guessed that you would have to choose the "Everyone is out for themselves. You need to learn that" option if it wasn't for the wiki (Maker bless that site).

I didn't know his dialog changes when he is hardened during the Landsmeet. I remember him still being "Oh is that all I have to do? great", "marry Anora!? Are you insane", "I don't like this at all", etc. I don't remeber him saying that hardened or not. I'm confused.

[BloodDragon930]

@Last Darkness

On my Human Noble playthrough I got Alistair and Anora married. I know I could let Loghain take the fall and not do the Dark Ritual, but I always liked to have Morrigan & Alistair in my party to the very end. Plus I like Alistair more than Loghain so I'd rather have him in my party when I go fight the Archdemon than Loghain.

Also if I'm gonna play a Mage Warden, I don't think I'll make Alistair king because if she remains his Mistress; with Anora or not (eventually he'll have to have a Queen) then he'd be just be as promiscuous as Maric. But then again, what king didn't have a Mistress

and it'd probably be different if I made him a Warden for when I import into DA2.
I do like Leliana and Zeveran, usually with Leliana I have a Dalish male elf go with her, and for Zev usually a City elf or Dwarf Commoner considering they have backgrounds simular to him, considering the Dwarf Commoner was in the Carta and he was an Antivan Crow.

@Vrex_12
Yes the maker surely blessed us with the wiki, it has helped my ass a number of times
His dialog does change when it comes to choosing who to rule because Anora is all like "he doesn't want to rule." and then he's all "MAKE MEHHH KIIIIIIIINGD D:<" and he gets pissed if you don't make him king yet he's hardened xD
But all the same thats the only difference.

[Last Darkness]

BloodDragon930 wrote...

@Last Darkness

On my Human Noble playthrough I got Alistair and Anora married. I know I could let Loghain take the fall and not do the Dark Ritual, but I always liked to have Morrigan & Alistair in my party to the very end. Plus I like Alistair more than Loghain so I'd rather have him in my party when I go fight the Archdemon than Loghain.

Also if I'm gonna play a Mage Warden, I don't think I'll make Alistair king because if she remains his Mistress; with Anora or not (eventually he'll have to have a Queen) then he'd be just be as promiscuous as Maric. But then again, what king didn't have a Mistress

and it'd probably be different if I made him a Warden for when I import into DA2.
I do like Leliana and Zeveran, usually with Leliana I have a Dalish male elf go with her, and for Zev usually a City elf or Dwarf Commoner considering they have backgrounds simular to him, considering the Dwarf Commoner was in the Carta and he was an Antivan Crow.

@Vrex_12
Yes the maker surely blessed us with the wiki, it has helped my ass a number of times
His dialog does change when it comes to choosing who to rule because Anora is all like "he doesn't want to rule." and then he's all "MAKE MEHHH KIIIIIIIINGD D:<" and he gets pissed if you don't make him king yet he's hardened xD
But all the same thats the only difference.

Ok then how bout this, if your Warden loves Alistair. Give him what he wants.

Keep him as a Warden and let him take care of Loghain.   Have Anora Rule alone.

He dosnt want to rule, he wants revenge for the death of duncan. And of course he likes being a Warden.
Of course it gos without saying to also resolve Red Cliff in the best possible way for him as well.

Braecillian Forest, and Orzamaar well those are your choice but as a Mage though I think its best to save the Circle.

[BloodDragon930]

Last Darkness wrote...

BloodDragon930 wrote...

@Last Darkness

On my Human Noble playthrough I got Alistair and Anora married. I know I could let Loghain take the fall and not do the Dark Ritual, but I always liked to have Morrigan & Alistair in my party to the very end. Plus I like Alistair more than Loghain so I'd rather have him in my party when I go fight the Archdemon than Loghain.

Also if I'm gonna play a Mage Warden, I don't think I'll make Alistair king because if she remains his Mistress; with Anora or not (eventually he'll have to have a Queen) then he'd be just be as promiscuous as Maric. But then again, what king didn't have a Mistress

and it'd probably be different if I made him a Warden for when I import into DA2.
I do like Leliana and Zeveran, usually with Leliana I have a Dalish male elf go with her, and for Zev usually a City elf or Dwarf Commoner considering they have backgrounds simular to him, considering the Dwarf Commoner was in the Carta and he was an Antivan Crow.

@Vrex_12
Yes the maker surely blessed us with the wiki, it has helped my ass a number of times
His dialog does change when it comes to choosing who to rule because Anora is all like "he doesn't want to rule." and then he's all "MAKE MEHHH KIIIIIIIINGD D:<" and he gets pissed if you don't make him king yet he's hardened xD
But all the same thats the only difference.

Ok then how bout this, if your Warden loves Alistair. Give him what he wants.

Keep him as a Warden and let him take care of Loghain.   Have Anora Rule alone.

He dosnt want to rule, he wants revenge for the death of duncan. And of course he likes being a Warden.
Of course it gos without saying to also resolve Red Cliff in the best possible way for him as well.

Braecillian Forest, and Orzamaar well those are your choice but as a Mage though I think its best to save the Circle.

I'm a goody two shoes anyway, I always strive to do the right thing in games lmaoo!
So redcliff, well I won't be getting an ear ache off him anytime soon. Also for the Mages, I do like them so I do always save them anyway. And it works out better to have the Mages in the final battle rather than the Templars; in my eyes at least.

[Last Darkness]

BloodDragon930 wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

BloodDragon930 wrote...

@Last Darkness

On my Human Noble playthrough I got Alistair and Anora married. I know I could let Loghain take the fall and not do the Dark Ritual, but I always liked to have Morrigan & Alistair in my party to the very end. Plus I like Alistair more than Loghain so I'd rather have him in my party when I go fight the Archdemon than Loghain.

Also if I'm gonna play a Mage Warden, I don't think I'll make Alistair king because if she remains his Mistress; with Anora or not (eventually he'll have to have a Queen) then he'd be just be as promiscuous as Maric. But then again, what king didn't have a Mistress

and it'd probably be different if I made him a Warden for when I import into DA2.
I do like Leliana and Zeveran, usually with Leliana I have a Dalish male elf go with her, and for Zev usually a City elf or Dwarf Commoner considering they have backgrounds simular to him, considering the Dwarf Commoner was in the Carta and he was an Antivan Crow.

@Vrex_12
Yes the maker surely blessed us with the wiki, it has helped my ass a number of times
His dialog does change when it comes to choosing who to rule because Anora is all like "he doesn't want to rule." and then he's all "MAKE MEHHH KIIIIIIIINGD D:<" and he gets pissed if you don't make him king yet he's hardened xD
But all the same thats the only difference.

Ok then how bout this, if your Warden loves Alistair. Give him what he wants.

Keep him as a Warden and let him take care of Loghain.   Have Anora Rule alone.

He dosnt want to rule, he wants revenge for the death of duncan. And of course he likes being a Warden.
Of course it gos without saying to also resolve Red Cliff in the best possible way for him as well.

Braecillian Forest, and Orzamaar well those are your choice but as a Mage though I think its best to save the Circle.

I'm a goody two shoes anyway, I always strive to do the right thing in games lmaoo!
So redcliff, well I won't be getting an ear ache off him anytime soon. Also for the Mages, I do like them so I do always save them anyway. And it works out better to have the Mages in the final battle rather than the Templars; in my eyes at least.

Im more of a grey morality person in games (AKA That neutral bastard)

I think this would work best for you, though hmm I dont know what would be best for Braecillian Forest or Paragon.
Im thinking you basicaly have the option to kill Witherfang or Cure the Werewolves. Either way is acceptable but of course curing is probably best.  I myself side with the Werewolves lol

Paragon of Her kind.....actualy pretty simple the best "Good" you can do is Bhelen on Throne and Anvil Destroyed. I must say thought in the destruction of the Anvil. Talk Branka into doing it and redeeming herself. Have Shale with you if possible as well for extra dialog.
Harrowmont may seem like a good guy, but hes the worst option to have on the throne.
I would probably avoid helping Brother Burkle but definetly help Dagna, since as a mage you have to support your fellows.

Also on the subject of Mages, I have a soft spot for Jowan. I prefer to save him on my mages. When you first encounter him in the prison you have to run him off "Leave and I never want to see you again" is the dialog option I think. Its the only way Jowan lives through events as if you let him help hes killed by the Bann or Templars.  Later on theres a new sidequest involving him if you made him run away.  No matter what Jowan has done, he means well and I can not judge a man for his actions in the Mage Origin, he did it for Love.

I have no idea how to do Andrastes ashes though I belive they should be kept secret.

Landsmeet, Win it and of course let Alistair have his revenge.

I would also suggest while not nessarily having her in your party but definetly become best friends with Morrigan so the Dark Ritual isnt as weird.


Sounds like a Fun and Good story line to me.

[Arthur Cousland]

Too bad there isn't a "good" way to keep the location of the ashes a secret without putting a knife in Genitivi's head. If everyone knows about them, then people will flock to the ashes, and they will be used up, unless they are somehow self-replinishing.

The strangest thing about the ritual are the expressions on the faces of Morrigan and the warden. Morrigan looks like she's about to have some tasty meal, while the warden looks like they really don't want to go through with it, even if they had a romance with Morrigan.

[BloodDragon930]

Last Darkness wrote...
Im more of a grey morality person in games (AKA That neutral bastard)

I think this would work best for you, though hmm I dont know what would be best for Braecillian Forest or Paragon.
Im thinking you basicaly have the option to kill Witherfang or Cure the Werewolves. Either way is acceptable but of course curing is probably best.  I myself side with the Werewolves lol

Paragon of Her kind.....actualy pretty simple the best "Good" you can do is Bhelen on Throne and Anvil Destroyed. I must say thought in the destruction of the Anvil. Talk Branka into doing it and redeeming herself. Have Shale with you if possible as well for extra dialog.
Harrowmont may seem like a good guy, but hes the worst option to have on the throne.
I would probably avoid helping Brother Burkle but definetly help Dagna, since as a mage you have to support your fellows.

Also on the subject of Mages, I have a soft spot for Jowan. I prefer to save him on my mages. When you first encounter him in the prison you have to run him off "Leave and I never want to see you again" is the dialog option I think. Its the only way Jowan lives through events as if you let him help hes killed by the Bann or Templars.  Later on theres a new sidequest involving him if you made him run away.  No matter what Jowan has done, he means well and I can not judge a man for his actions in the Mage Origin, he did it for Love.

I have no idea how to do Andrastes ashes though I belive they should be kept secret.

Landsmeet, Win it and of course let Alistair have his revenge.

I would also suggest while not nessarily having her in your party but definetly become best friends with Morrigan so the Dark Ritual isnt as weird.


Sounds like a Fun and Good story line to me.

Lol everything you said I always do. No matter how much sometimes I think "I may be a right knob in this play through." I always seem to end up being the good guy.

The brecillian forest I feel sorry for Zathrian for what happened with his children, but it was a long time ago so I always get him to cure them.

Paragon of her kind, like you said Harrowmont would seem the best guy cause he seems nice, but he is the worser option to choose; I had to look on the wiki to see which would be more befitting to rule.
Think thats why I don't play the Dwarf Noble cause I hate Bhelan for what he done but I don't wanna choose Harrowmont cause it's techincally the "bad choice".
The anivl I'm always half hearted whether to keep it or not cause it would benefit, but at the same time many dwarfs, mainly the dusters will end up as a big old Golem (though I do love it when Morrigan mentions keeping it and I say "Shall I turn you into one?" or something along those lines ) so I always destroy it, and Branka lost her mind a bit so she deserved a good stabidy stab stab!!!
Dagna I thought she was awsome and funny! so I send her to the circle. Brother Burkle, nope sorry mate no chantry for Orzammar, unless they want an exalted march like the dalish had all them years ago x_x

I did feel sorry for Jowan, he made all the wrong decissions when he thought he was doing right. The whole thing at Redcliff he didn't know not to trust Loghain because he wasn't at Ostagar. I do tell him to leave because I know he'll get killed or made tranquil (you can seem him when the mages are marching to Denerim)
But I never got the random encounter >_<
But I think the newest patch may clear it up *fingers crossed*

And I shall have fun replaying good old Origins

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Too bad there isn't a "good" way
to keep the location of the ashes a secret without putting a knife in
Genitivi's head. If everyone knows about them, then people will flock
to the ashes, and they will be used up, unless they are somehow
self-replinishing.

The strangest thing about the ritual are the
expressions on the faces of Morrigan and the warden. Morrigan looks
like she's about to have some tasty meal, while the warden looks like
they really don't want to go through with it, even if they had a romance
with Morrigan.

I agree!!! That really p*ssed me off. It said at the end of Origins the ashes was gone (cause I didn't kill the high dragon, so I didn't have to murder genetivie.)
And then they are flocking the ashes at the end, and it says I revelealed the location. Yeah I did, but the ashes was gone -_-"
But I'm sure those who are flocking it, is just some dust off the bedside table lol but either way, I think in my next playthrough I'll just send Genetivi home and say it wasn't their or something (dunno if you can, never tried that method out).