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[Asari Commando]

well something has been irking me lately, and i thought i would run it past the community to get some input. maybe im missing a chunk of information, or its just a plot hole in the game, im not sure.

okay well after completing the sequal several times i am understanding the whole collector/reaper relationship much better. also i have talked extensively to vigil (VI on illos, that explained reaper domination). so apparently select few of the prothean race were enslaved rather than killed during the reaper invasion.

these protheans were repurposed, and over time developed according to the reapers needs. these protheans that were spared during the reaper invasion are collectors? from what i understand, the collectors have always been isolated from the galaxy, and few people have met them personally. they come to trade technology and such and then quickly return to their homeworld.

i understand the indoctrination, and the control that reapers exert on their hosts. but it seems to me that the collectors are a fairly well developed hyper-race of both organic and machine. the reapers have had thousands, if not millions of years to repurpose these vessels to their liking.


so my ultimate question/reason for telling you all this stuff you already know..
why did the collectors not help during sovereigns attack on the citadel? the geth were synthetics who could easily be indoctrinated by the reapers, and saren was a valuable tool to open the mass relays and start the invasion. but wouldnt sending in the collectors be an obvious answer to the problem of resistance?
^^^^
vigil explains (on illium) that soveriegn was most likely a reaper left behind by his fellow kind, in the event of their inevitable return on the next cycle. after sovereign realized that the keepers had been reprogrammed to ignore the reaper signal (to open mass relay) it had to investigate what happened. it became desperate and eventually enlisted help by indoctrinating the geth, and also recruiting saren.

i just dont see why would the collectors not invade with soveriegn and geth? if the reapers had been exerting control over their species for all those years, were they not more capable of attack than the primitive geth? i just started to think about these things recently, and im sure some of our members could clear it up for me. thank you, and please discuss away .

[lolspawn]

because u dont put all yer eggs in one basket.

[gogman25]

What lolspawn said, Sovereign was aware the attack wasn't a guaranteed success and they may lose - even if he was arrogant.
If they threw the collectors only vessel at the Citadel and it failed they would have no troops to keep the pressure on and work on the Reaper.

[Bogsnot1]

The same reason you dont get your spies to man up and and join the rest of the army when it comes time to attack the enemy.
As it would take centuries to fully wipe out all the various races in the galaxy, you can bet those races would be grasping at every straw to try and survive, and that would include doing any sort of deal for advanced tech. Collectors would then be able to hand out a lot of indoctrination technology to help speed up the genocide.

[xI extremist Ix]

Why didn't they just use Alpha Relay? Because that was a back up plan to enter the galaxy. Invading the citadel was plan A and the best plan they had because they could disable all of the relays. They could sever the citadel races and know where every single settlement would be. Along with troop numbers and fleet sizes. And with Alpha Relay the citadel races would have time to ready fleets and so the reapers wouldn't have the element of surprise.

And for the collectors. They have one ship, a cruiser, with a single particle weapon that can attack only one target at a time, and it doesn't look like it has kinetic barriers which is why it fled Horizon after a couple volleys of GARDIAN laser fire. The ship would have been destroyed by the Systems 5th fleet and ME2's story would have been much different. (Oh how I wish for it to have happened ).

[Asari Commando]

interesting, i suppose i didnt think about it like that.it would take a very long time for the extinction of mutiple races, and we would be battling them to the last scrap of land.

i just felt that during the attack on our citadel, sovereign was very close to opening the relay and releasing all his buddies into the galaxy. which would of inevitably been the end of all organics, there is no way we were ready for a reaper invasion. our forces could hardly repel one single reaper ship. it kind of seemed weird to me that they would be so close to starting the cycle over again, but they only sent part of their resources? if sovereign had help from with collectors, he could of suceeded in opening that relay and releasing the reaper invasion. the collector ship is massive, and that beam-ray of death could easily take down waves of ships.

but either way these are my opinions, im glad you guys are responding and giving me more insight as to why things are this way.

Modifié par Asari Commando, 05 juillet 2011 - 05:50 .

[xI extremist Ix]

Asari Commando wrote...

interesting, i suppose i didnt think about it like that.it would take a very long time for the extinction of mutiple races, and we would be battling them to the last scrap of land.

i just felt that during the attack on our citadel, sovereign was very close to opening the relay and releasing all his buddies into the galaxy. which would of inevitably been the end of all organics, there is no way we were ready for a reaper invasion. our forces could hardly repel one single reaper ship. it kind of seemed weird to me that they would be so close to starting the cycle over again, but they only sent part of their resources? if sovereign had help from with collectors, he could of suceeded in opening that relay and releasing the reaper invasion. the collector ship is massive, and that beam-ray of death could easily take down waves of ships.

but either way these are my opinions, im glad you guys are responding and giving me more insight as to why things are this way.

Well, as for the Sovereign battle; It wasn't a single ship. There were hundreds of geth ships with sovereign. They caught the citadel fleet off guard and sovereign was killed by the System's 5th fleet at the cost of only 8 or 9 cruisers. The reapers didn't count on the Shepard variable and their invasion was delayed becasue of it.

Also, the turian military has the most powerful fleet in the galaxy with the asari in a reseaonable second. And the collector ship wouldn't have had time to kill waves of ships. All the citadel fleet and 5th would have had to do was fire a full salvo at it and gum it up with bomber and fighter craft. The collector ship is great at ambushing a single target and an unsuspecting colony. Other then that the collector vessel is a slow and under armoured transport ship really.

[Augustei]

Asari Commando wrote...

well something has been irking me lately, and i thought i would run it past the community to get some input. maybe im missing a chunk of information, or its just a plot hole in the game, im not sure.

okay well after completing the sequal several times i am understanding the whole collector/reaper relationship much better. also i have talked extensively to vigil (VI on illos, that explained reaper domination). so apparently select few of the prothean race were enslaved rather than killed during the reaper invasion.

these protheans were repurposed, and over time developed according to the reapers needs. these protheans that were spared during the reaper invasion are collectors? from what i understand, the collectors have always been isolated from the galaxy, and few people have met them personally. they come to trade technology and such and then quickly return to their homeworld.

i understand the indoctrination, and the control that reapers exert on their hosts. but it seems to me that the collectors are a fairly well developed hyper-race of both organic and machine. the reapers have had thousands, if not millions of years to repurpose these vessels to their liking.


so my ultimate question/reason for telling you all this stuff you already know..
why did the collectors not help during sovereigns attack on the citadel? the geth were synthetics who could easily be indoctrinated by the reapers, and saren was a valuable tool to open the mass relays and start the invasion. but wouldnt sending in the collectors be an obvious answer to the problem of resistance?
^^^^
vigil explains (on illium) that soveriegn was most likely a reaper left behind by his fellow kind, in the event of their inevitable return on the next cycle. after sovereign realized that the keepers had been reprogrammed to ignore the reaper signal (to open mass relay) it had to investigate what happened. it became desperate and eventually enlisted help by indoctrinating the geth, and also recruiting saren.

i just dont see why would the collectors not invade with soveriegn and geth? if the reapers had been exerting control over their species for all those years, were they not more capable of attack than the primitive geth? i just started to think about these things recently, and im sure some of our members could clear it up for me. thank you, and please discuss away .

The Collectors are indeed the servents of the reapers but I think they are the servents and soldiers of one specific reaper Harbinger. It was Sovereigns duty to pave the way for the reapers return and since they are each independent and The Collectors are Harbingers servents then Sovreign would have to request the Collectors from Harbinger and maybe he didn't want to as it would make him look weak and having failed in his duties or something.

Also the Collectors had their own purpose, to create reapers they weren't really meant to stray from this purpose and only revealed themselves out of necessity

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 05 juillet 2011 - 08:36 .

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

The Collectors weren't necessarily there for combat, they were repurposed specifically to study mutations in species as stated numerous times. Why would they risk destruction and discovery when it wasn't necessary? I'm pretty sure noone would trade with them if they knew they were responsible for attacking civilizations... I think the only reason it happened this way is because after Sovreign failed they were running out of ways to get quickly to citadel and civilization. I'm pretty sure this is the only time any generation has been prepared in advance this far for an attack from them.

[Shadowneya]

didn't the Protheans die off 50000 years ago..... i mean that is what they tell u on their sleeper planet..... that means that the genetic damage of the collectors is about 50000 years old and not millions of.... and the power that a collectors ship has could well be just as powerful as soveriegns own main cannons but.... as u said soveriegn was arrogant and well stupid to think that one ship vs 2 fleets..... yeah anyway

[100k]

Pft. Collectors and Protheans...it's all above my pay grade.