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[levi0000]

Alright people, come on. Seriously now. Ashley is not that bad.

Nobody complained like this when they revealed Jacob. He didn't wear a full suit of armor.
Nobody's complaining about Liara. She doesn't have on any more armor than Ashley.
Nobody complained about Thane either. Where was his armor at?

So why Ashley? Her outfit isn't even that bad. It's not like she's dressed like Miranda. She has Mordin-esque shoulder pads on, and it's not like she's wearing a miniskirt. It's part of the top. And people complaining about the thigh-highs? Come on. Would you rather see her wearing regular shoes and having nothing but tight black latex between her heels and her skirt? I doubt that would help preserve her image as a female soldier any more than what she has on now.

And on top of all of that, Casey confirmed that she has an alternate outfit that's a suit of armor and a helmet. If you don't like the "catsuit" then put something else on her. Problem solved.

[Vertigo_1]

Siansonea II wrote...
And if you don't like my drawing, you can just say so.

You drew that?  Its very nice! 
I'm terrible at drawing people, better at drawing objects (cars, planes, etc)

[CajNatalie]

littlezack wrote...
I'd just like to note that judging a woman's personality purely based on the way she looks would be considered by many to be quite sexist.

This isn't how women in games are dressing up and making themselves look. That's just impossible because they're fictional - they can't develop sentience and choose their clothes and looks.
It's how the people who design them are dressing them up. The decisions are theirs, and all too often sexist views of women can sway them to create rediculous outfits, such as those in ME2.
Boobie belt, ultra V-neck, and a wedgie-catsuit that also emphasizes a cameltoe.
Jacob's lack of crotch plate and ultramanspandex seems like a weak attempt at the illusion of equal sexual misrepresentation. But even if that were the case... do you imagine that would make it any better to treat both men and women as nothing but ****** material?

Modifié par CajNatalie, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:48 .

[idoless24]

Siansonea II wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

I keep thinking Vega's arms are short like a t-rex everytime I see that image but he's really just balling them up. Gives me a giggle everytime.

Ashley's armor? I see skirt, leggings and long stripper boots. Me no likey.

Vega's posture cracks me up. He looks he's saying "I'm so mad! Dang you!!!" You just know he's about to stamp his foot.

 Exactly! "No one likes me already!! *throws temper tantrum*"

[Siansonea]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
And if you don't like my drawing, you can just say so.

You drew that?  Its very nice! 
I'm terrible at drawing people, better at drawing objects (cars, planes, etc)

I did draw it, but for something else. I just thought it be funny to post in here as a "new Ashley outfit design".

[crimzontearz]

levi0000 wrote...

Alright people, come on. Seriously now. Ashley is not that bad.

Nobody complained like this when they revealed Jacob. He didn't wear a full suit of armor.
Nobody's complaining about Liara. She doesn't have on any more armor than Ashley.
Nobody complained about Thane either. Where was his armor at?

So why Ashley? Her outfit isn't even that bad. It's not like she's dressed like Miranda. She has Mordin-esque shoulder pads on, and it's not like she's wearing a miniskirt. It's part of the top. And people complaining about the thigh-highs? Come on. Would you rather see her wearing regular shoes and having nothing but tight black latex between her heels and her skirt? I doubt that would help preserve her image as a female soldier any more than what she has on now.

And on top of all of that, Casey confirmed that she has an alternate outfit that's a suit of armor and a helmet. If you don't like the "catsuit" then put something else on her. Problem solved.

when Jacob was revealed no one knew we were not going to be able to equip armor like in ME1

[littlezack]

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...
I'd just like to note that judging a woman's personality purely based on the way she looks would be considered by many to be quite sexist.

This isn't how women in games are dressing up and making themselves look. That's just impossible because they're fictional - they can't develop sentience and choose their clothes and looks.
It's how the people who design them are dressing them up. The decisions are theirs, and all too often sexist views of women can sway them to create rediculous outfits, such as those in ME2.
Boobie belt, ultra V-neck, and a wedgie-catsuit that also emphasizes a cameltoe.
Jacob's lack of crotch plate and ultramanspandex seems like a weak attempt at the illusion of equal sexual misrepresentation. But even if that were the case... do you imagine that would make it any better to treat both men and women as nothing but ****** material?

It's just a damn jacket.

[The Spamming Troll]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I disagree with you. First, on your assessment that Liara's outfit is excessively sexual - I don't think the color contrast really made me think that. Maybe it did for you, but I, and I am sure many other guys, would just see it as a purple/red outfit and nothing more.

More importantly, I disagree with your assessment that male combat outfits don't emphasize their physical/sexual masculinity. Ways of expressing sexual attraction in male characters are not nearly as obvious as for women but they are almost certainly present in so many games. The reason men don't complain about their consistent depiction in media as hypermasculine, handsome heroes with epic shoulders is that they generally enjoy being able to take on such roles. Guys don't want to play as 45 year old Joe with graying hair and a slight beer belly.

I must establish that what is physically attractive for women cannot just be assumed as the same for men. Just making a man really scantily clad isn't necessarily going to make him more attractive because for the average woman, intangible factors such as prestige, personality, and power matter a lot more than just raw physical appearance. 

For one, practically every male character has an ideal figure - narrow waist, broad shoulders, and often, their armor emphasizes or exaggerates the size of their shoulders while minimizing the waist to give a "V-shaped" appearance. This is why Jacob has "armor" on his shoulders and Shepard's ME3 armor is like this:



There is no good reason for his shoulderplates to be bulging out like that and plated up so much, if not to emphasize his masculinity. Compare that to the armor on his waist/torso, which is rather minimized, yet far more important. In the military you are taught to aim at center of mass, and issued body armor places the most protection on the torso. It's where your vital organs are - not your shoulders, and is thus far more deserving of heavy protection.

Heck, a lot of infantry aren't even issued shoulder armor.

Realistically, shoulder armor like that would impair movement significantly, not to mention to extra weight added. There is a video of Holly Conrad testing out her Shepard outfit and she comments about how she cannot move her arms that easily.

...you cant deny what i just reposted.

[CajNatalie]

levi0000 wrote...

Alright people, come on. Seriously now. Ashley is not that bad.

Nobody complained like this when they revealed Jacob. He didn't wear a full suit of armor.
Nobody's complaining about Liara. She doesn't have on any more armor than Ashley.
Nobody complained about Thane either. Where was his armor at?

So why Ashley? Her outfit isn't even that bad. It's not like she's dressed like Miranda. She has Mordin-esque shoulder pads on, and it's not like she's wearing a miniskirt. It's part of the top. And people complaining about the thigh-highs? Come on. Would you rather see her wearing regular shoes and having nothing but tight black latex between her heels and her skirt? I doubt that would help preserve her image as a female soldier any more than what she has on now.

And on top of all of that, Casey confirmed that she has an alternate outfit that's a suit of armor and a helmet. If you don't like the "catsuit" then put something else on her. Problem solved.

Ashley is a pre-established character who has actually expressed ridicule over the idea of wearing light armor.

Check iakus' signature if you see them posting... it's got the full quote about how she'd take "nice solid armor and a big gun" over anything any day.

Besides, Jacob's catsuit has plenty of complaints. His lack of crotch plate is just godawful, for one thing.
At least Thane's DLC converts his catsuit in to a suit of light armor. Still waiting on Jacob...

[Siven80]

I have just one thing to say.

Mountain out of molehill.

[Siansonea]

Siven80 wrote...

I have just one thing to say.

Mountain out of molehill.

Hmmm. Come to think of it, they ARE bigger...

[CajNatalie]

littlezack wrote...

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...
I'd just like to note that judging a woman's personality purely based on the way she looks would be considered by many to be quite sexist.

This isn't how women in games are dressing up and making themselves look. That's just impossible because they're fictional - they can't develop sentience and choose their clothes and looks.
It's how the people who design them are dressing them up. The decisions are theirs, and all too often sexist views of women can sway them to create rediculous outfits, such as those in ME2.
Boobie belt, ultra V-neck, and a wedgie-catsuit that also emphasizes a cameltoe.
Jacob's lack of crotch plate and ultramanspandex seems like a weak attempt at the illusion of equal sexual misrepresentation. But even if that were the case... do you imagine that would make it any better to treat both men and women as nothing but ****** material?

It's just a damn jacket.

I wasn't talking about Ash's jacket. I was talking about judging video game women on their appearance.

Modifié par CajNatalie, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[TheMakoMaster]

Ash's ME1 armor was pink. Lets not give her too much credit. Just saying.

[Siven80]

Siansonea II wrote...

Siven80 wrote...

I have just one thing to say.

Mountain out of molehill.

Hmmm. Come to think of it, they ARE bigger...

[slimgrin]

Siven80 wrote...

I have just one thing to say.

Mountain out of molehill.

This is true. I contributed to the mountain myself earlier. I'm calm now. But still, I know their artists appreciate our feedback. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[levi0000]

CajNatalie wrote...

Ashley is a pre-established character who has actually expressed ridicule over the idea of wearing light armor.

Check iakus' signature if you see them posting... it's got the full quote about how she'd take "nice solid armor and a big gun" over anything any day.

Besides, Jacob's catsuit has plenty of complaints. His lack of crotch plate is just godawful, for one thing.
At least Thane's DLC converts his catsuit in to a suit of light armor. Still waiting on Jacob...

But Ashley has an alternate full suit of armor from the start. If DLC fixed the issue with Thane and would fix the issue with Jacob, what's the use in complaining about Ashley's catsuit when the game comes with an alternate appearance that resolves the issue?

[TheKillerAngel]

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...
I'd just like to note that judging a woman's personality purely based on the way she looks would be considered by many to be quite sexist.

This isn't how women in games are dressing up and making themselves look. That's just impossible because they're fictional - they can't develop sentience and choose their clothes and looks.
It's how the people who design them are dressing them up. The decisions are theirs, and all too often sexist views of women can sway them to create rediculous outfits, such as those in ME2.
Boobie belt, ultra V-neck, and a wedgie-catsuit that also emphasizes a cameltoe.
Jacob's lack of crotch plate and ultramanspandex seems like a weak attempt at the illusion of equal sexual misrepresentation. But even if that were the case... do you imagine that would make it any better to treat both men and women as nothing but ****** material?

It's just a damn jacket.

I wasn't talking about Ash's jacket. I was talking about judging video game women on their appearance.

I do not think Jack's lack of clothing was meant to emphasize her sex appeal. Her tattoos, lack of hair, and lack of clothing highlight her anti-social and rebellious nature more than anything else. She defies social norms and takes on a decidedly anti-feminine appearance with her shaved head, baggy pants, and tattoos-for-clothes.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[DaringMoosejaw]

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Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:57 .

[Davie McG]

It seems to me that we're going back to the ME1 style of having casual cloths on the Normandy and Armour when out and about. 

I think Bioware are starting to head in the right direction. Especially with removable helmets (specifically the ability to toggle them off only during conversation scenes. I always found it a bit rude that Shepard wouldn't remove a face obscuring helmet during conversations). It seems Bioware is addressing just about every grievance I had with appearance in Mass Effect.

In saying that the only thing that really bugged me was Miranda's catsuit. If it was only for use on the Normandy then I could have lived with that, considering Mass Effects tendancy toward the figure hugging outfit, but they released dlc that put her in armour so if they stick with that its all good.

I think the appreances in the OP's origonal post are good. The only thing I would change are Vega's eye patch and Liara's head thing. Unless she's became a justicar, which would be a bit random. I don't think that Ash's will be what she'll wear in battle. Her armour is as distinctive and recodnisable as Shepards N7 armour, so I don't see them making any daft decisions in regard to that.

As for the weapons my only greivance is the lack of N7 assault rifle, but just because that isn't included in the CE doesnt mean it won't be in the game, so again I'm not that worried about them leaving it out of the game.

Anyway this post is getting a bit on the long side so i'll leave it there.

Modifié par Davie McG, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:04 .

[AngelicMachinery]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...

CajNatalie wrote...

littlezack wrote...
I'd just like to note that judging a woman's personality purely based on the way she looks would be considered by many to be quite sexist.

This isn't how women in games are dressing up and making themselves look. That's just impossible because they're fictional - they can't develop sentience and choose their clothes and looks.
It's how the people who design them are dressing them up. The decisions are theirs, and all too often sexist views of women can sway them to create rediculous outfits, such as those in ME2.
Boobie belt, ultra V-neck, and a wedgie-catsuit that also emphasizes a cameltoe.
Jacob's lack of crotch plate and ultramanspandex seems like a weak attempt at the illusion of equal sexual misrepresentation. But even if that were the case... do you imagine that would make it any better to treat both men and women as nothing but ****** material?

It's just a damn jacket.

I wasn't talking about Ash's jacket. I was talking about judging video game women on their appearance.

I do not think Jack's lack of clothing was meant to emphasize her sex appeal. Her tattoos, lack of hair, and lack of clothing highlight her anti-social and rebellious nature more than anything else. She defies social norms and takes on a decidedly anti-feminine appearance with her shaved head, baggy pants, and tattoos.

I like you,  you say what I try to say without sounding like an overly emotional ****.  Kudos.