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[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/88476268357619712

"For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:25 .

[HighMoon]

Well 100k, apparently people are still skeptical because...

1. We haven't seen a picture yet. Some still think "full armour and helmet" = Miranda's bodysuit.
2. There is no telling under what circumstances the armor will be available. Will Ashley be able to wear it across the whole game, whenever and wherever she wants? Or just for a few select missions?
3. The armor is supposedly not the "default" outfit. (Default meaning like Ashley's phoenix armor in ME1, even though she could change into other armors if she wanted to).
4. Regardless of the armor being available. Her "default" outfit still doesn't fit her and she shouldn't even be wearing it in the first place, on the Normandy or off it.

I'm sure Bioware could settle at least half of these complaints if they posted a picture of Ashley in her full armor (And it met people's expectations of being "proper" armor. And if Liara's outfits are considered armored enough, then it shouldn't be too much of a leap from Ashley's default get-up anyway. Though some insist she be in massive/heavy armor due to her being a soldier) and said it would be available for the entire game. (Not saying they should do it now of course. All in due time)

[HighMoon]

Ooh, thanks Vertigo! Talk about good timing!

Ashley in armor! Ashley in armor! Ashley in armor!

[Sora Shepard]

I'd love to see an in-game shot of Kaidan, because I miss the guy. But it'd be nice to see Ash too.

[Iakus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/88476268357619712

"For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?"

Almost enough to make me sign up for Twitter so I can say "Ash in armor!"

[Siansonea]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/88476268357619712

"For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?"

I tweeted for the first time in years just to respond to this.

[Massadonious1]

If only to close the issue, I'd say Ash in armor, but I'd rather see something new and interesting. I already know what she looks like in armor.

[Eromenos]

Infestation wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, I know. I'm here for teh azure of course. Just so long as it's Kaidan's azure.

In the meantime, you shouldn't be so casual about referring to women as hos. I always clarify myself when I use it around this place. I use it as a critique against BioWare's unjust targeting of women in a way that is hurtful to women just so BioWare can pimp them out to dudebros.

Case in point with the way BioWare depicted women characters' "alternative outfits" for this Collector's Edition. Why should they be singled out for this crap? Tsk.

Fact: Sex sells.

Fact: That's an excuse for treating women exclusively as toys.

[Siansonea]

marshalleck wrote...

ODST 5723 wrote...


Keep in mind, we haven't seen what Kaidan's wearing when he's not wearing armor either.  Or any of the other characters.  We don't even know if this is final.

Again, conjecture.

Hopefully it will be tassles and a banana hammock so people really have something to complain about.

Not familiar with the Kaidan fanbase, are you?

[DaringMoosejaw]

Eromenos wrote...

Infestation wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, I know. I'm here for teh azure of course. Just so long as it's Kaidan's azure.

In the meantime, you shouldn't be so casual about referring to women as hos. I always clarify myself when I use it around this place. I use it as a critique against BioWare's unjust targeting of women in a way that is hurtful to women just so BioWare can pimp them out to dudebros.

Case in point with the way BioWare depicted women characters' "alternative outfits" for this Collector's Edition. Why should they be singled out for this crap? Tsk.

Fact: Sex sells.

Fact: That's an excuse for treating women exclusively as toys.

If people made more money stuffing women in featureless power armor instead of form-fitting attire, you can bet your ass they'd do that instead regardless of whether they think women are toys or not. But they don't, so they won't.

[PARAGON87]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/88476268357619712

"For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?"

While I love Ashley to death, I want to see the final mockup of James Vega; we've only seen a glimpse of what he is and I want to put the rumors that he's the guy in Big Ben to death (or to confirmation) already.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:47 .

[Infestation]

Eromenos, I've had enough of your snide insinuations!
*FALCAWN PAWNCH*
Are you going to say I'm a misogynist now?

[THX-1137]

Eromenos wrote...

Infestation wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, I know. I'm here for teh azure of course. Just so long as it's Kaidan's azure.

In the meantime, you shouldn't be so casual about referring to women as hos. I always clarify myself when I use it around this place. I use it as a critique against BioWare's unjust targeting of women in a way that is hurtful to women just so BioWare can pimp them out to dudebros.

Case in point with the way BioWare depicted women characters' "alternative outfits" for this Collector's Edition. Why should they be singled out for this crap? Tsk.

Fact: Sex sells.

Fact: That's an excuse for treating women exclusively as toys.

Fact: Everyone is tired of Eromenos' rants. Whether or not people agree with you, I think I can safely say on behalf of the rest of the forum posters, give it a rest, por favor.

Maybe Bioware's just making a more accurate futuristic reflection of our society, maybe those issues aren't resolved in the future or never will be, or maybe they really are going with the "sex sells" formula. But seriously, just relax.

I trust Bioware. They have never let me down. The game isn't coming out for a while.

If it is that big of an issue for you don't buy the game or don't use that outfit. Simple as that.

[Eromenos]

Il Divo wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, let us see. In fantasy genre the males are oftentimes covered from head-to-toe. In cloth or furs at the least, if not leather and armor altogether. Absolute protection for the men? Mebbe. Mebbe not. Either way, their standard affords them the "most" protection in their setting in relation to women, obviously quite more than what is allowed for the buxom swordswoman you helpfully provided. You are so smart, she's exactly what I was referring to. 

I think there are some times in which men in fantasy wear less or little but...ratio-wise, I think it's a safe bet that women fighters in fantasy are kept in much skimpier(sp?) attire than their male counterparts. Exposure to...swords, fangs, poniards, elements, poisons, claws, and might I say the uncharitable naked eye as well. Does her...gear...equate to battle-worthiness in societies in which armor affords protection to a warrior or even to some mages who can hack it under the weight? I hope I do not have to point out the misogynistic hypocrisy in that there dynamic, but it was probably safer for me to mention it just in case.

Time to draw an analogy between that situation and the one in which Ashley Williams has found herself stuck in. Given some people's common sense regarding the value of tough surfaces providing a measure of defense for our bodies against all manner of tangible dangers, it would be unwise for a Marine/Spectre to execute her duties wearing a catsuit whose only strength is to serve titillation for any uncharitable eye.

Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Perhaps it would benefit you more to examine a pertinent sci-fi instance that is quite similar to Ashley's exploitation. Perhaps 2 of them!

http://i216.photobuc...pg?t=1267588864

Like Ashley, Seven and T'Pol are both women crewmembers of their respective scifi military ships. I really don't think this analogy should be too dense, but, but! Alas, I am no mind-reader. 

You probably missed it while typing out your excessive essays, but I believe you were asked to stop posting this about two pages back.

I'm not sure what you're doing, but I am pretty sure I was staying on-topic about the wrongness of forcing a prominent female Marine grunt to wear a catsuit just to titillate the shooter-crowd. Pretty sure!

As to that, I compared her current situation to the way Seven and T'Pol were similarly exploited. Like those two, Ashley would benefit immensely by wearing a uniform appropriate for her job. In fact, she'd benefit much more because wearing armor provides her with life and not death as a shock trooper unlike the other two women whose jobs bear less guaranteed danger.  Not that they don't face danger themselves...wedge-heels and corsets in their line of work can't be good either.

Modifié par Eromenos, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:55 .

[Lozark]

"Sex sells" is not an excuse. There are plenty of other ways to make something sell, even if they don't look as easy at first glance.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

If people made more money stuffing women in featureless power armor instead of form-fitting attire, you can bet your ass they'd do that instead regardless of whether they think women are toys or not. But they don't, so they won't.

They kind of do.







Go figure.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

THX-1137 wrote...

I trust Bioware.

Like, to not objectify women? Are we talking about the same Bioware here?

[Eromenos]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/88476268357619712

"For the next set of #MassEffect3 screenshots, what are you hoping to see most? Ashley in armor? A first look at James Vega? Something else?"

Hmmm. Kaidan wearing his catsuit.

Why not? They're never going to scrap Ashley's catsuit. If she's stuck with an armored-look and a catsuit-look, so should Kaidan.

[Massadonious1]

Samus isn't the best example, considering what she looks like outside of her "faceless power armor"

[littlezack]

 I think Bioware is missing a potential goldmine, here. 

Clearly, clothing is the most important thing about the Mass Effect universe. I propose, for the next game in the series, we make it a pure fashion game, with only women in bulky armor. We can call it Fashion Effect. Or...oh...Fash Effect. I like, I like...

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Samus isn't the best example, considering what she looks like outside of her "faceless power armor"

Yeah, but the only game in which she takes her power armor for more than 5 seconds tanked commercially and was disowned by the fanbase for sexism. Btw, the thing she wears under the armor is arguably not as bad as what Miranda wears around the office.

[littlezack]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Samus isn't the best example, considering what she looks like outside of her "faceless power armor"

Yeah, I was about to say. Didn't you get to have her running around in a swimsuit as a reward for beating her first game?

[Lozark]

That and when she ends up in the Zero Suit it's usually a sign that things have gone wrong and your in-game goal becomes getting your arsenal and suit back.

[DaringMoosejaw]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

If people made more money stuffing women in featureless power armor instead of form-fitting attire, you can bet your ass they'd do that instead regardless of whether they think women are toys or not. But they don't, so they won't.

They kind of do.

Go figure.

I'm pretty confident there are other factors in those games' successes than how they portray women in gender-neutral armor. The economic incentive to do so is either negative, non-existant or negligable.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 06 juillet 2011 - 06:09 .

[littlezack]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Samus isn't the best example, considering what she looks like outside of her "faceless power armor"

Yeah, but the only game in which she takes her power armor for more than 5 seconds tanked commercially and was disowned by the fanbase for sexism. Btw, the thing she wears under the armor is arguably not as bad as what Miranda wears around the office.

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