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[Patchwork]

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

[javierabegazo]

Ace of Dawn wrote...

Thank you, javierabegazo. Because of all the chaos of the last thread, I did not know about Casey's tweets.

You're very welcome, It's all too easy for information to go by unheard in the wake of strong reactions.

[ScotGaymer]

On the subject of Ashley I have partially reconsidered.

I wouldnt mind that outfit as her casual or semi casual outfit - ie something she would wear on the citadel...
Although I still think it would fit better on someone else like Miranda. I am on the fence about her new do.

I still think Liara looks like Samara in that pic. Not a look I like for her.

The weapon pics r great. Everyone should keep in mind the weapons will most likely (according to Bioware at E3) have a changing appearance depending on what "mods" it has attached to it.

@Ser Bard.

I dont have a problem with Miranda, Samara, Jack, and Thane's outfits as such. As casual outfits or outfits they wear in peaceful public areas I wouldnt mind at all. Or even in Jack and Thane's case some combat situations.
My problem was that the outfits didnt make contextual sense.

Heels are not practical for combat.
Leather/Latex does not protect against bullets and neither do kinect barriers and biotic shields.
Having large areas of skin exposed in combat is like wearing a giant SHOOT ME HERE sign.
And none of the outfits are practical or sensible for toxic or hostile environments like the toxic swamp world near Illium. They out to have been poisoned and died.
Neither are those outfits right for the vacumn of space. Exposure of even skin to vacumn results in death.

And according to Bioware's on "SCIENCE!" and lore Biotic and Kinetic barriers are porous to allow the passage of air molecules in and out so the person inside doesnt suffocate. Thus no air or poisoned air would kill Miranda, Samara, Thane, and Jack; as well as Jacob, Mordin, Zaeed, and Kasumi (who all wear masks and not helmets).

Most of the team ought to have died before they even got to the suicide mission. I mean honestly, how hard would it have been to give each NPC a "hostile environment" outfit?
Id rather have had that than a load of crap weapons, armours, and other misc "free" stuff that I never used.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:32 .

[MrDbow]

A comment on the N7 Weapons...

I think for the CE, these weapons should be a little bit more ... exclusive. Meaning that these all look like reskins of ME2 and DLC weapons. I would like to think that N7 weapons would be unique, that only a few people (those in N7) would be able to use them. Or maybe with these N7 weapons, they have exclusive mods instead. Maybe the pistol has an extra silencer on it as an example.

[javierabegazo]

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

[ZLurps]

Nyoka created this:



I like this, a lot.

[TheMakoMaster]

t-minus BLANK hours until vol. 3.

good attempt at the redirect nonetheless. love the BSN.

[Aimi]

We are all aware that the Liara outfit is basically just her LotSB outfit with a different color scheme, right?

Modifié par daqs, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:26 .

[MrDbow]

javierabegazo wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

Do not feed the animals!

[Eromenos]

Savber 100 wrote...

Is it possible that the way they're are dressed reflects their character and their jobs? It's easy for us to jump on people like Miranda and claim it's just for exploitation but have we considered that some (not all) young women will dress like this just because it's what they are?

For example, Miranda knows her body is perfect and is fine with using it to further Cerberus' cause. She's cold and calculating and uses anything to her advantage. To me, it also reflects her insecuity with herself. 

Jack wears what she wears because she doesn't care. **** anyone that tells her what's proper etc. Also, it gives her an opportunity to show her tatoos which in turn speaks a LOT about her personality and what she has become. 

I can go on.

Yet we decide that rather because their look is provacative it must be becase Bioware is appealing to the casual, horny mainstream and not because the clothing is a reflection of the character. 

BioWare wouldn't be able to come up with any plausible personality lobotomy to justify this change in Ashley.

Yes, we know that "canon" Miranda wears a catsuit. Despite the fact that someone as smart and dangerous as she is would know better. All the resources at her disposal, and she squeezes herself into...yeah, no. So despite "canon," none of us need respect BioWare's insult to our intelligence. Come, those camera ass-shots and her oozing-gait during some cut-scenes were nothing more than the ME devs' hypocritical implication that she plies on sex-appeal to get what she wants, and never fit with her character. I never detected anything concrete while speaking with her that says she leans on sex in a way that would gratify gender-role purists. The Shadow Broker's dossier about her even records her expressions of sexuality as being just that. Just for sex, nothing else. She screws the few men she can tolerate, and she disposes of them.

Jack is more excusable, but only while aboard Purgatory and Normandy. She WOULD eschew authority and Cerberus symbols and equipment every chance she can get. But she like all the others should have used airtight hardsuits for fighting.

"Clothing is a reflection of the character" was a wholly unnecessary concept in ME1. ME2's cop-out route was shallow and less effective.

Modifié par Eromenos, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[Patchwork]

javierabegazo wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

Benezia was never a squadmate, I don't understand the comaprison. 

And there have been many Asari in ME who wore armour minus heels so it doesn't work on that level either.


Clarification please?

[Ace of Dawn]

SimplyNeo wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

Do not feed the animals!

Au contraire. He provided a valid point. What many claim to have occurred solely in ME2 had its roots in ME1.

[javierabegazo]

Ser Bard wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

Benezia was never a squadmate, I don't understand the comaprison. 

And there have been many Asari in ME who wore armour minus heels so it doesn't work on that level either.


Clarification please?

Benezia not being a squadmate has nothing to do with this discussion, at least as far as I understand it. I'm talking about their chest exposure.

As to heels, that debate should also factor in that human animation skeletons were near identical if not completely, in ME1, and in ME2, they went with individual models for all squadmates, and a great many other characters as well.

[Luigitornado]

That was Ashley? I had no idea...she looks a bit different with her hair down. Like a completely different character.

[Darc_Requiem]

javierabegazo wrote...

Ser Bard wrote...

Fact is BW lost a lot of trust with Samara and Miranda's high heels and Jack's boob belt. The images we're seeing aren't reassuring so until there's actual proof of this combat gear and helmet some people are going to be sceptical and wonder if it isn't just PR bs.

Even if there's proof, there will always be the skeptic crowd. That's beside the point. In any case, how was Samara that much different from Benezia?

benezia - Google Search

That's about the best point, I've seen any one make in defense of Samara's appearance. Still doens't excuse her and most of the other squaddies not wearing hardsuit's in hostile environments though

[Eromenos]

javierabegazo wrote...

@Eromenos,

Perhaps your discussion is best suited for another thread, as it encompasses, not just Ash's look, but the look of females in general in Mass Effect games.

I never stopped debating BioWare's new rendering of Ashley's appearance. All the female characters' appearances are inter-related anyway, given how closely this Ashley and this Liara resemble the unmitigated cop-outs from ME2.

[ScotGaymer]

javierabegazo wrote...

Benezia not being a squadmate has nothing to do with this discussion, at least as far as I understand it. I'm talking about their chest exposure.

As to heels, that debate should also factor in that human animation skeletons were near identical if not completely, in ME1, and in ME2, they went with individual models for all squadmates, and a great many other characters as well.

Ah you see though that can be explained away very easily.

Benezia was on Noveria on a minor errand really; something that was relatively small. She wasnt expecting to encounter resistance, other than the rachni, and she had a small army with her presumably to stand between her and any hostiles.
Hence the waves of hostiles during the battle.

And notice she doesnt run around, she more or less fortresses herself up next to he rachni queen while her minions deal with you.

Her outfit IS impractical; but she wasnt expecting a serious battle at that point.

Effectively you got the drop on her.

[TheMakoMaster]

@Nyoka "Paladins?" i picture the women's rights front line consisting more of Amazons ;-)

I like your armored ashley btw. ZLurps said you made it.

Modifié par TheMakoMaster, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:47 .

[the_one_54321]

The Asari were obviously specifically designed as a sexual fantasy. I mean, has that always be completely clear?