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[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

It looks like that the most rational course of action that you should take then, crimzon, is accept the promise as a promise and be cautious.

We will know soon enough, won't we? As soon as the first screenshot with an armoured outfit is released and the enviroment doesn't seem too hazardrous, then that should be more than enough for a final confirmation.

Though your logic is still wrong anyway, this is not the first tweet about it, but you still only interpret the last one.

no, my problem is not that I do not believe Casey. My problem is that I am always suspicious when there are precedents and a lot of folks around here seem to take everything on faith and take issue with people who are skeptical until final proof is given

as for me, I am not calling it one way or the other until I get some sort of final confirmation, until then all I can do is wait

[Phaedon]

I agree with Il Divo.

Please stop making feminism look bad.

[Sparda Stonerule]

crimzontearz wrote...

Sparda

there is only one reason why I used to put up with Miranda as a squaddie

She has both overload and Warp otherwise I would have permanently left her on the normandy (she is also sadly invaluable on insanity)

Her alternate costume makes her more than adequate but honestly her ridiculous looks (especially the goddamn high hells) made me want to chuck something at the screen each time she entered in my field of vision

I suppose that's fair. But I personally think it's an over reaction. I mean maybe I'm just an oddball but it didn't annoy me and it didn't attract me to her. I felt like maybe I was supposed to be attracted to her but her personality shoved me away quickly. I felt nothing for her except in her loyalty missions. But even that only made me understand her character and my general dislike of her turned into acceptance. But I never felt anything romantic for her. Neither from a real standpoint or a roleplaying standpoint.

I mean I really don't know if I should be pissed off or not by what a female in a game wears. For the most part I just ignore it because truly blatant eye candy rarely interests me in the least. Most of the time that's just because of bad or non existant characterization. I mean is it weird for me to care more about the character themselves rather than their clothing?

Modifié par Sparda Stonerule, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:44 .

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...
no, my problem is not that I do not believe Casey. My problem is that I am always suspicious when there are precedents and a lot of folks around here seem to take everything on faith and take issue with people who are skeptical until final proof is given

as for me, I am not calling it one way or the other until I get some sort of final confirmation, until then all I can do is wait

Hello there, Carth.

Kidding aside, you will never get a final confirmation because none will be enough for you. If you don't trust the developers when they are so clear in their public announcements, then you won't trust them when they show screenshots or video either.

[Sylvianus]

Phaedon wrote...

I agree with Il Divo.

Please stop making feminism look bad.

+10000

-_______-

Seriously, wtf ? They give a very bad image of feminism those who suddenly become its advocates on this forum.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:45 .

[Phaedon]

Sparda reminds me;

The objectification argument is silly. If Ashley has a strong enough personality, or just personality anyway, she won't be treated as an "object" just to get to her romance scene. It may start like that, but it will definitely not end like that.

[Il Divo]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I suppose that's fair. But I personally think it's an over reaction. I mean maybe I'm just an oddball but it didn't annoy me and it didn't attract me to her. I felt like maybe I was supposed to be attracted to her but her personality shoved me away quickly. I felt nothing for her except in her loyalty missions.

Her loyalty mission definitely made me feel more sympathetic towards the character. It showed Mirandar could be more than just the 'Ice Queen'.

[crimzontearz]

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can't pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:51 .

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
no, my problem is not that I do not believe Casey. My problem is that I am always suspicious when there are precedents and a lot of folks around here seem to take everything on faith and take issue with people who are skeptical until final proof is given

as for me, I am not calling it one way or the other until I get some sort of final confirmation, until then all I can do is wait

Hello there, Carth.

Kidding aside, you will never get a final confirmation because none will be enough for you. If you don't trust the developers when they are so clear in their public announcements, then you won't trust them when they show screenshots or video either.

uh, did you miss my previous post about only needing a "yeah you can equip her with armor for every combat situation" in order to be 100% ok?

[Phaedon]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can'y pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

First off, "pissed" is an exaggeration, I doubt that you started swearing once you saw them. You mean "dislike" or "strongly dislike".

And what exactly is the issue with them?

Jacob and Thane are LIs. Does eye candy on potential LIs really hurt?

Is it sexist? I sure as hell don't feel offended by Jacob.

[Pedro Costa]

Bluko wrote...

I think the issue for some fans of Ashley is that the "jacket" appears to be her default appearence. I wouldn't complain if the jacket was one of her alternate appearences. If a player wants to dress up with Ashley so she has something a little more fanciful so they can have their pretend Barbie Ashley that's fine.

I also wouldn't complain if the jacket was what she just wore on the ship. But it seems pretty evident her "jacket" is going to be her default combat gear. I realize it's probably asinine to think that any criticism from a few forum goers is hardly compelling enough for them to change it. Which is half the reason the lashback is so strong. It's because some of us realize that this is pretty much what Ashley is going to be stuck with in ME3. So yeah go figure some are kind of mad.

Frankly it just seems really insulting to her previous character in both ME1 and ME2. Sure Ashley's default Phoenix Armor (being Pink and White) was hardly dignified, but you know at least she was wearing the same amount of armor as the guys. I could care less whether Ashley was wearing pink armor with butterflies painted on it, but seriously Ashley's default look should have in her armor. I don't care how girly the armor is, but it is wrong that Ashley's combat attire is simply a mere jacket. I'm sorry to say but this does not speak well of the maturity Bioware when they go so far as to ignore aspects of a character simply so they can be made more attractive. And I thought it was really stupid that many of the characters in ME2 couldn't be bothered to wear armor simply so they could look more "cool" or "sexy" or some other idiotic reason.

Also while I'd like to find the promise of Ashley having armor in ME3 reassuring there is no indication when or how this armor will be available. For all I know Ashley may very well be stuck in this jacket for half the game. In which case this very much a problem for me and others.

Look I'm not some ultra-conservative type who freaks out over scantily clad women. I have no problem with the female characters in oh say MK9 wearing little more then lingerie even though I venture many would take issue with such. My issue with Bioware in this regard seems to be they care less about their own characters and are more concerned with selling them as romance (sex) options more then anything else. And I'm sure many guys out there are fine with that. For me, for a Developer that places such a big emphasis on story and characters I got to say that doing this sort of stuff is really just pathetic and really shakes the confidence I have in Bioware's story-telling and game making abilities.

I sincerely hope BioWare reads this post. Eloquent, to the point and perfectly explains why there's this backlash with Ashley's appearance.

[Massadonious1]

ME1 was a "precedent" before ME2 was, you know.

It's like people have blinders, or something. Females will always wear ****ty outfits because ME2 said so!

I think the fact that they purposely re-designed something less ****ty for Miranda as DLC and the willingness to bring back some good things that made ME1 great for ME3 warrants more than week of patience before you demand that Casey let the entire cat out of the bag.

[crimzontearz]

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can'y pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

First off, "pissed" is an exaggeration, I doubt that you started swearing once you saw them. You mean "dislike" or "strongly dislike".

And what exactly is the issue with them?

Jacob and Thane are LIs. Does eye candy on potential LIs really hurt?

Is it sexist? I sure as hell don't feel offended by Jacob.

oh, when I saw Jacob's spandex and thane's open chest I said "oh come the **** on!"

it's not about sexualization, it is not about eye candy

it's about those get-ups being ridiculous for the situation

[Sparda Stonerule]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can'y pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

Maybe maybe not. I mean it's not impossible to imagine. She even mentions her looks are made to get her ahead. But here's the thing. She's arrogant and believes in her abilities. To me that leaves the possibility open. I mean sure it makes more sense in battle to wear armor, but it doesn't bug me at all.

I see where you are coming from though. You are one of the people that have a hard time accepting character designs you view as impractical. So I assume it's more the situation rather than the objectification of people right? I guess that makes sense but it seems somewhat nit picky given that it's fantasy in essence. I mean you aren't wrong truly, some outfits are impractical. I guess it doesn't bother me over much because I've always focused on the core of their character.

I also see why you are skeptical. For all we know it could be PR control, but I also like to have a little faith that something worded that way will mean she can always wear armor in battle. I mean it could very well not be true. But you do overly insinuate that it won't be true. I think you should continue to politely ask for confirmation, because indeed it can be taken more than one way.

I don't know I guess my general attitude is just making me confused over peoples reactions.

[crimzontearz]

Massadonious1 wrote...

ME1 was a "precedent" before ME2 was, you know.

It's like people have blinders, or something. Females will always wear ****ty outfits because ME2 said so!

I think the fact that they purposely re-designed something less ****ty for Miranda as DLC and the willingness to bring back some good things that made ME1 great for ME3 warrants more than week of patience before you demand that Casey let the entire cat out of the bag.

it was

and that's why I was willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt to Bioware when people were wondering about Armors in ME2

but then ME2 came out and now that is the new precedent

[crimzontearz]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can'y pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

Maybe maybe not. I mean it's not impossible to imagine. She even mentions her looks are made to get her ahead. But here's the thing. She's arrogant and believes in her abilities. To me that leaves the possibility open. I mean sure it makes more sense in battle to wear armor, but it doesn't bug me at all.

I see where you are coming from though. You are one of the people that have a hard time accepting character designs you view as impractical. So I assume it's more the situation rather than the objectification of people right? I guess that makes sense but it seems somewhat nit picky given that it's fantasy in essence. I mean you aren't wrong truly, some outfits are impractical. I guess it doesn't bother me over much because I've always focused on the core of their character.

I also see why you are skeptical. For all we know it could be PR control, but I also like to have a little faith that something worded that way will mean she can always wear armor in battle. I mean it could very well not be true. But you do overly insinuate that it won't be true. I think you should continue to politely ask for confirmation, because indeed it can be taken more than one way.

I don't know I guess my general attitude is just making me confused over peoples reactions.

Bioware goes out of their way to give armor to everyone in ME1, to give us codex entries to explain why armor is needed and passes ME as Sci FI and not Sci FAN



and then ME2 comes out..........

I have absolutely nothing against situationally appropriate sexiness (like on the normandy) but on the field I am pretty sure Miranda is not stupid enough to think that her boobs are gonna influence a geth hunter about to shotgun her in the chest........

Modifié par crimzontearz, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:09 .

[Sylvianus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

ME1 was a "precedent" before ME2 was, you know.

It's like people have blinders, or something. Females will always wear ****ty outfits because ME2 said so!

I think the fact that they purposely re-designed something less ****ty for Miranda as DLC and the willingness to bring back some good things that made ME1 great for ME3 warrants more than week of patience before you demand that Casey let the entire cat out of the bag.

it was

and that's why I was willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt to Bioware when people were wondering about Armors in ME2

but then ME2 came out and now that is the new precedent

You become really boring.

Seriously, really, Crimzon, what do you serve ? What is your goal ? You got your answer yesterday. And you continue to complain and say all the time the same thing. Yes you don't believe Bioware. What can we do to satisfy you if the words have no meaning ?

Okay, you will not believe Bioware until you see an armor, yeah, yeah. But you can't wait for a few months ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:27 .

[sighineedname]

crimzontearz wrote...
Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can't pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)?

This is a blatant attempt to derail this thread.

Human skin actually maintains a seal in vacuum. In fact, nasa states being exposed (note, this is even WITHOUT a helmet) for up to half a minute in space will not cause any permanent harm. Your skin will swell somewhat, which I admit would not be very good in a combat situation. There is also a problem from radiation exposure from stars, which would be pretty nasty without atmosphere.

That being said... your blood does not boil. Your eyes do not explode. You do not freeze. You die of suffocation. Note: attempting to hold your breath would likely be fatal, due to the rate of air leaving your mouth.

In conclusion, I grant that in a combat situation people would need full body coverage to operate maximally. Additionally, breather masks would certainly not form an effective seal with skin in vacuum level pressure differentials.

Note, this means that with a proper helmet, Miranda's catsuit could actually be fully functional in a vaccum, so long as the seals were designed with that in mind. You do not need a pressurized air layer to operate.

Now, someone who thinks your blood boils in space (you're wrong) please come derail this into a science debate.

Modifié par sighineedname, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:41 .

[FlyinElk212]

I still don't get it...

...so Liara becomes a Justicar? What?

[Jzadek72]

Am I the only one for whom the links are broken?

[sighineedname]

http://imageshack.us...tumes19201.jpg/

That's an alternate link.

[AngelicMachinery]

crimzontearz wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

I am equally pissed at some of the malewear yanno?

Thane prior to the alternative apearance pack? Zaeed and Grunt's open arms (tho grunt gets a pass, you know since you can'y pierce a krogan's skin without a molecular blade and I'm sure that with some armor clamps he would be fine even in vacuum)? JACOB???

come on

and I care about the character too, do you think a down to earth, practical, thorough, leave-nothing-to-chance woman like Miranda would wear THAT on the field?

First off, "pissed" is an exaggeration, I doubt that you started swearing once you saw them. You mean "dislike" or "strongly dislike".

And what exactly is the issue with them?

Jacob and Thane are LIs. Does eye candy on potential LIs really hurt?

Is it sexist? I sure as hell don't feel offended by Jacob.

oh, when I saw Jacob's spandex and thane's open chest I said "oh come the **** on!"

it's not about sexualization, it is not about eye candy

it's about those get-ups being ridiculous for the situation

This,  a thousand times this.  Please,  stop the political ****storm...  the customes/appearances/outfits are silly fix them please.

[crimzontearz]

sylvanus, I CAN wait....as it is my N7 collector edition is all preordered and paid in full. Still it would be nice to have a final confirmation since apparently, as you believe, it was already confirmed and I am just being picky right? I mean what's literally 10 extra words?

sighineedaname: I am not derailing the thread, I am NOT starting a vacuum argument...but the open arms and open chests need to go

how is it that mercs get full armor, cerberus goons in ME3 get MASSIVE armor and my crew is stuck in open attire?

[100k]

iakus wrote...

100k wrote...

Bioware already stated that Ash WILL BE IN FULL ARMOR. So I don't know what the argument is.

"Here you go, full body armor for Ashley"

"WTF?  This isn't armor!"

"Sure it is, it's the latest in Alliance technology!  The woven carbon nanotubes makes this stuff practically indestructible" 

"Practically indestructible?  It's practically transparent!"

"On a completely unrelated note, doesn't that thong look fetching on her?"

Exaggerated for effect, of course 

 I feel 100% certain that when Casey said "Armor" he didn't mean catsuit. 

I'm gonna repost my take on this whole flame war in a bit.

[gorrillasnake]

haha catsuit!!!