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[crimzontearz]

100k wrote...

It's just as "practical" for Ash to wear something tighter and more form fitting than Kaiden. She's a soldier right? She doesn't have the luxury of biotic barriers, only guns and CQC. Therefore, to maximize her mobility in the field and weight distribution for weapons, she should wear something like light armor.

every hardsuit has kinetic barriers

reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers

a "jacket" does not have eezo cores to create kinetic barriers......and I'd LOVE to see her bitten by a varren in that get-up

Hardsuit are sealed in case of loss of pressure and environmental contaminations

hardsuits have muscolar agumentations and several VIs not to mention a MEDICAL one that monitors the use of medigel injectors to stop bloodloss in case of wounds


you REALLY think a jacket is better?

[AngelicMachinery]

100k wrote...

It's just as "practical" for Ash to wear something tighter and more form fitting than Kaiden. She's a soldier right? She doesn't have the luxury of biotic barriers, only guns and CQC. Therefore, to maximize her mobility in the field and weight distribution for weapons, she should wear something like light armor.

This isn't what has been established though,  James Vega is a soldier and he's walking around in a tank.  While we've got ash Prancing around in light armor.  Why is it that Ashley has to wear something so...  frilly?  Don't say it's because she's a woman,  she, like every alliance soldier has received genetic enhancment.  

[MasterSamson88]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

I mean if we're going by what they wore in ME1 then Kaiden shouldn't even have heavy armor but be wearing some kind of light armor.

Yes, yes indeed he should... and yet he gets shoved into something big and bulky where Ashley is wearing an armored Jacket.  Why is my soldier broken? 

My point is things need not stay the same. It's been years, they're both Spectres depending on which lives. In that amount of time they could have easily changed their combat strategies or styles. Kaiden might be taking more of a vangaurd approach to things, getting into the thick of battle thus requiring heavier armor.

Ashley might be focusing more on ranged combat with assault rifles and snipers and thus not need very heavy armor. 

Modifié par MasterSamson88, 06 juillet 2011 - 08:45 .

[crimzontearz]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

I mean if we're going by what they wore in ME1 then Kaiden shouldn't even have heavy armor but be wearing some kind of light armor.

Yes, yes indeed he should... and yet he gets shoved into something big and bulky where Ashley is wearing an armored Jacket.  Why is my soldier broken? 

My point is things need not stay the same. It's been years, they're both Spectres depending on which lives. In that amount of time they could have easily changed their combat strategies or styles. Kaiden might be taking more of a vangaurd approach to things, getting into the thick of battle thus requiring heavier armor.

Ashley might be focusing more on ranged combat with assault rifles and snipers and thus not need very heavy armor. 

it has been exactly 2 years, what changed is that Sentinels are now tanks as oppoosed to support casters only. Also, read my above post


oh and if someone even quips about "advanced technology" allowing a "jacket" to be as effective as an armor I'd love to point out that Tela Vasir wore full armor and the cerberus goons still walk around in TANKS. If jackets were as effective as armor then everyone would be wearing jackets especially troops as well funded as spectres or cerberus


also, soldiers are still tanks and DPS builds as far as we know.....she needs armor

[100k]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just as "practical" for Ash to wear something tighter and more form fitting than Kaiden. She's a soldier right? She doesn't have the luxury of biotic barriers, only guns and CQC. Therefore, to maximize her mobility in the field and weight distribution for weapons, she should wear something like light armor.

This isn't what has been established though,  James Vega is a soldier and he's walking around in a tank.  While we've got ash Prancing around in light armor.  Why is it that Ashley has to wear something so...  frilly?  Don't say it's because she's a woman,  she, like every alliance soldier has received genetic enhancment.  

Vega isn't just a tank because of his armor. He's a tank because of his natural body size. Putting him in skin tight armor to enhance his mobility probably be worth it, because he's naturally so huge that dodging enemy attacks might just be too much work. Like a krogan, he can take the hits that Ash can't. Therefore, they cover him in thick armor.

And yes, part of this is because she is a woman. Women are built differently then men, like it or not. The only "enhancements" Ash has are eye enhancements to correct her far sightedness--unless I'm mistaken. 

Modifié par 100k, 06 juillet 2011 - 08:54 .

[AngelicMachinery]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

MasterSamson88 wrote...

I mean if we're going by what they wore in ME1 then Kaiden shouldn't even have heavy armor but be wearing some kind of light armor.

Yes, yes indeed he should... and yet he gets shoved into something big and bulky where Ashley is wearing an armored Jacket.  Why is my soldier broken? 

My point is things need not stay the same. It's been years, they're both Spectres depending on which lives. In that amount of time they could have easily changed their combat strategies or styles. Kaiden might be taking more of a vangaurd approach to things, getting into the thick of battle thus requiring heavier armor.

Ashley might be focusing more on ranged combat with assault rifles and snipers and thus not need very heavy armor. 

Sure,  things can change but I don’t see someone completely switching combat styles in just a few years unless of course it was just so they could accomdate Vega as the big bad tank.  Which is more than probable,  but, still absurdly upsetting.  I’ve always enjoyed when female characters were more in your face,  Ash broke the damn archer/caster roll that is so very typical of women in gaming and I hope that she’s suddenly not being forced into it again just because they need room for Brick Hardmeat to be the new damage absorber.

[crimzontearz]

100k wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

It's just as "practical" for Ash to wear something tighter and more form fitting than Kaiden. She's a soldier right? She doesn't have the luxury of biotic barriers, only guns and CQC. Therefore, to maximize her mobility in the field and weight distribution for weapons, she should wear something like light armor.

This isn't what has been established though,  James Vega is a soldier and he's walking around in a tank.  While we've got ash Prancing around in light armor.  Why is it that Ashley has to wear something so...  frilly?  Don't say it's because she's a woman,  she, like every alliance soldier has received genetic enhancment.  

Vega isn't just a tank because of his armor. He's a tank because of his natural body size. Putting him in skin tight armor to enhance his mobility probably be worth it, because he's naturally so huge that dodging enemy attacks might just be too much work. Like a krogan, he can take the hits that Ash can't. Therefore, they cover him in thick armor.

you are telling me that ash is so awesome she dodges hypersonic bullets?


wow, ok I'm cool with her not wearing armor then......only I know for a fact she will be hit several times in the game so guess what she need? a full hardsuid....without it a single shot will pulverize her bones upon impact

Modifié par crimzontearz, 06 juillet 2011 - 08:56 .

[AngelicMachinery]

100k wrote...

And yes, part of this is because she is a woman. Women are built differently then men, like it or not. The only "enhancements" Ash has are eye enhancements to correct her far sightedness--unless I'm mistaken. 

Funny,  being a woman never kept her out of heavy armor in ME1 nor does it seem to keep Asari from wearing decent armor.  It's lame,  completely and totally lame that woman are being shoved back into support roles so the men can be BIG DAMN HEROES again.  

[100k]

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

[AngelicMachinery]

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

You can't dodge bullets no matter how awesome you are.

[100k]

AngelicMachinery wrote...Funny,  being a woman never kept her out of heavy armor in ME1 nor does it seem to keep Asari from wearing decent armor.

The armor she wore in ME1 was form fitting, and maintained her mobility. Same for Vasir. 

It's lame,  completely and totally lame that woman are being shoved back into support roles so the men can be BIG DAMN HEROES again.

My canon Shepard is a woman. So your point fails. 

Modifié par 100k, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:06 .

[100k]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

You can't dodge bullets no matter how awesome you are.

If you can get to cover, summersault, or roll in for a melee attack quickly enough, it might be worth not taking the bullet. And you're missing the point. Jacob can wear a combat suit because he doesn't have to worry about taking bad hits as much as Ash. Same for Miranda, Samara, and Liara. 

Modifié par 100k, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:06 .

[crimzontearz]

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

since Ash CANNOT dodge hypersonic bullets then she is better off in heavy armor, also

ALSO, Hardsuits have strength enhancers (as per the codex) so I doubt she would slowed down by it THAT much, not to mention that no hardsuit = no medigel injections in case of injuries

[crimzontearz]

100k wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

You can't dodge bullets no matter how awesome you are.

If you can get to cover, summersault, or roll in for a melee attack quickly enough, it might be worth not taking the bullet. And you're missing the point. Jacob can wear a combat suit because he doesn't have to worry about taking bad hits as much as Ash. Same for Miranda, Samara, and Liara. 

go pitch that to a Marine

I DARE you

[100k]

crimzontearz wrote...bout.
since Ash CANNOT dodge hypersonic bullets then she is better off in heavy armor, also

ALSO, Hardsuits have strength enhancers (as per the codex) so I doubt she would slowed down by it THAT much, not to mention that no hardsuit = no medigel injections in case of injuries

See the above.

[AngelicMachinery]

Might as well fight naked with a shield generating belt and wedge heels than, no one will touch her.

[100k]

crimzontearz wrote...
go pitch that to a Marine

I DARE you

Don't have to. There's a reason why, despite the fact that we could dress up all of our soldiers like this:



We instead prefer this:



And granted, even the second picture is bulkier than what Alliance troops where:

[Mr. Gogeta34]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
Uh, I'm pretty sure women don't have to wear tight leather to look like women. And I'm not entirely sure that that particular outfit would be the best bet for "courtroom hearing" attire.

Tight lether has been uniformly worn outside of the Alliance throughout the Mass Effect series.  Why Ashley is singled out for it is beyond me.

That's also saying nothing about the benefits a suit like that would provide for someone who could wear armor on top of it... things like sweat absorbtion or pressure spots (like pilot suits give to help keep them conscious and alert), etc.

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You know,  this is when that Ero guy was around...

Seriously,  do you actually think Shepard's "Heat sink" is so glorious that he's going to screw Ashley back into being a little girl looking to please her new surrogate father.  Women don't work that way.  I fear for any woman who ever ends up dating you.

Get your mind out of the gutter, lol.  I'm talking about women wanting to look attractive (and yes women like being seen as attractive to the eye... who doesn't?).  Soldiers usually put that 2nd (plus regulations stipulate as much). 

So she let her hair down for the hearing... she's a Spectre now, she doesn't have to abide by Military rules anymore.  So she adjusted her looks in the light that she'd see Shepard again... you don't think women do that?  Sounds like you don't know as much about women as you think....


For the sake of being the better man (and avoid turning this discussion into some kind of measuring contest), I won't counterpunch your last sentence (and the obvious ignorance that it entails)... but I'm sure you can figure out where I'd take it given my previous sentence.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:37 .

[AngelicMachinery]

I’m not entirely sure where this argument that men are less mobile than women comes from. I’m pretty sure levels of agility are about even, unless the size is drastically different or if other factors are presented. Ash isn’t going to be any better at moving out of the way of fire simply because she’s has wider hips and a little less mass. Attempting to enhance her mobility while limiting Kaidan’s make’s little sense to me, particularly when Kaidan can enhance the strength of his shields and perhaps toss up a biotic field to protect himself from an enemies assault. You’d think that offering another layer of protection on that at the deteriment to his ability to move around the battle field would be lulzy worthy.

While Ashley on the other hand is required to literally engage the enemy with only the things that she carries. One well placed over load and all of her defenses would be stripped away if all she was wearing was that dinky set of light armor. Her “Gender enhanced mobility” is going to provide squat on the battlefield, Ashley herself has suggested this while Kaidan admitted to admiring the Asari Commando’s fighting style. So why are things flip flopped now?

If for some reason your Marine can’t carry the same amount of mass as Kaidan who doesn’t look particularly muscular, at least put her in something similar to Shepard’s armor. You know, something that looks like it can protect a target from a few bullets instead of a well… shirt.

[Ryzaki]

Or at least be nice and give male and female Shepard some form fitting clothes to wear in combat. I wanna flip around the battlefield in jeans and a t-shirt.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[crimzontearz]

100K

at least the soldier in the second pic has a Ballistic Vest, not to mention that, by your logic, no asari should wear heavy armor


Also, a Jacket, technically, does not have Kinetic barriers, not it is sealed, nor it has a medical VI and medigel. Nor it can be sealed.

Also, his reasonong does not really make sense given the fact that we KNOW that ingame Ashley's shields WILL fail and she WILL be hit by bullets in spite of her "enhanced mobility while wearing the jacket"

once again without Armor Ash would really last only a few minutes

[Mr. Gogeta34]

crimzontearz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'm not sure why some of you are making a big deal out of this while on the other hand demainding that bioware provide s/s romances...

If Ashley's a Spectre now, then there's nothing wrong with her adopting a look that commands more attention than a soldier. Plus, if Shepard romanced her, she likely feels more like a woman than she did before and also would not be wearing armor during the hearing.

It's like people forgot that Shepard and Anderson weren't wearing armor in the demo either...

situational issue

infact in the demo anderson and shepards do not even have shields since, you know, had no time to gear up

I doubt Ashley had time to gear up either... especially since it's already confirmed that she has armor to gear up into.

[AngelicMachinery]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
Uh, I'm pretty sure women don't have to wear tight leather to look like women. And I'm not entirely sure that that particular outfit would be the best bet for "courtroom hearing" attire.

Tight lether has been uniformly worn outside of the Alliance throughout the Mass Effect series.  Why Ashley is singled out for it is beyond me.

That's also saying nothing about the benefits a suit like that would provide for someone who could wear armor on top of it... things like sweat absorbtion or pressure spots (like pilot suits give to help keep them conscious and alert), etc.

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You know,  this is when that Ero guy was around...

Seriously,  do you actually think Shepard's "Heat sink" is so glorious that he's going to screw Ashley back into being a little girl looking to please her new surrogate father.  Women don't work that way.  I fear for any woman who ever ends up dating you.

Get your mind out of the gutter, lol.  I'm talking about women wanting to look attractive (and yes women like being seen as attractive to the eye... who doesn't?).  Soldiers usually put that 2nd (plus regulations stipulate as much). 

So she let her hair down for the hearing... she's a Spectre now, she doesn't have to abide by Military rules anymore.  So she adjusted her looks in the light that she'd see Shepard again... you don't think women do that?  Sounds like you don't know as much about women as you think....


For the sake of being the better man (and turning this discussion into some kind of measuring contest), I won't counterpunch your last sentence (and the obvious ignorance that it entails)... but I'm sure you can figure out where I'd take it given my previous sentence.

A woman doesn’t have to soften herself for a man simply because loves him.  Sure,  she can be pretty but,  a switch doesn’t click on and suddenly they’ve lost their hard edge and decide that flitting around in pretty clothes is more important than being protected from bullets.  Sure,  I could see that from Tali…  she’s a bit of a door mat but not Ashley.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Problem here is that it sounds like you all are saying there's something wrong with a woman dressing up a bit.... like you think they should be in "work mode" all day every day.  It just doesn't work that way.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:41 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

Or at least be nice and give male and female Shepard some form fitting clothes to wear in combat. I wanna flip around the battlefield in jeans and a t-shirt.  

Male Shepard should get a kilt.