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[Ryzaki]

Manic Sheep wrote...
Its also on his chest but that is covered by a conveniently placed spot of light so it is hard to see. 

 

Ah. Thanks. 

So they're both the second human Spectre. I hope Shep can make a snarky comment. 

[The Smoking Man]

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
every hardsuit has kinetic barriers
reinforced ceramic and ballistic layers protect from whatever slips through the barrier and physical attacks too slow to be stopped by the kinetic barriers...

Which is why wearing tight armor for a female character makes more sense. Do you really want to risk your female characters survival off of the weight of armor they're wearing, when instead you could make the armor more form fitting, and train them to be more mobile? Isn't that why soldiers in pre modern to modern wars don't wear metal plates? 

If Jacob and Ash (heavy armor) shot at each other from relatively close range:

-Ash's bullet pierces Jacob's kinetic barrier, but bounces off his biotic barrier (think Liara surviving Vasir's sniper).
-Jacob's bullet pierces her kinetic barrier, and hits her heavy armor, maybe or maybe not piercing it.

The value of Ash's mobility could be a life saver that Jacob or Kaiden doesn't have to worry about.

Yes, Ash's jacket outfit is perfect for combat and mobility, especially in part from the high heels.

Modifié par The Smoking Man, 06 juillet 2011 - 10:45 .

[Ross42899]

Ghost-621 wrote...

DCopeland wrote...

Bioware, the fans of the Mass Effect series want this.

Cool. This would really be a nice outfit for Ash in ME3. I hope she will wearing something like this at least in one or two missions of the game.

[100k]

crimzontearz wrote...
Miranda, Samara, Thane, Jack (nipplebelt) and Jacob are all guilty of being ridiculously underdressed

We already discussed why they don't need as much armor as the other characters. 

But while we're on the subject...

[crimzontearz]

they actually do, sorry to burst your bubble but in game their shields and barrier FAIL and they do get hit by enemies and they have to deal with melee attacks amongst other things. All in all I would have been 100% satisfied with ME style light armor for them

Miranda's alternative appearance is perfect (aside for the lack of an helmet)...it made her actually bearable when it came to bringing her along

Jack's alternative appearances? yeah....no, a vest and a leotard?...no, just no

[Iakus]

100k wrote...

 I feel 100% certain that when Casey said "Armor" he didn't mean catsuit. 

I'm gonna repost my take on this whole flame war in a bit.

Perhaps, but there's a whole lot of wiggle room in what was said.  Including the possibility (unlikely, I know) that Ash's armor turns out to be see-through.

As the saying goes "Trust everybody.  But cut the cards";)

[100k]

They aren't underdressed anymore, so I hate to burst your bubble.

[100k]

iakus wrote...

100k wrote...

 I feel 100% certain that when Casey said "Armor" he didn't mean catsuit. 

I'm gonna repost my take on this whole flame war in a bit.

Perhaps, but there's a whole lot of wiggle room in what was said.  Including the possibility (unlikely, I know) that Ash's armor turns out to be see-through.

As the saying goes "Trust everybody.  But cut the cards";)

He actually said full armor. So I think you can rest easy, friend. No see through catsuits. Full armor. 

[crimzontearz]

100k wrote...

They aren't underdressed anymore, so I hate to burst your bubble.

no armor (even light) in combat scenario = underdressed


Casey said she will ALSO have full armor and helmet

let me ask you a question, if I told you "in ME2 garrus will also have a helmet" but left out the fact he only wears it in certain missions would I have not told the truth technically? but were you to assume I meant "you will be able to equip said helmet any time" when that is actually not the case simply because I said that he will ALSO have a helmet without going into details would you not feel like a fool?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 06 juillet 2011 - 11:18 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

100k wrote...

They aren't underdressed anymore, so I hate to burst your bubble.

Yeah, cause people always go into a firefight in their trusty latex tanktop. (And the reason they have even that stuff is because of feedback.)

[Iakus]

 On a somewhat related note, is anyone else curious as to what these different outfits might mean for the game? I mean could these outfits mean:

1) We're going back to ME 1's combat/off duty outifts?  If so, why make an AAP with casual outfits for squaddies?  Could this mean that there will be significant portions of "non combat area" gameplay where dressing up Shepard and companions in different outfits could be feasible?

2) Are these simply variations of costumes with no purpose other than aesthetics?  In other words, is this meant to make it viable to create a "Space Marine" squad of heavily armored characters or a "Cat Squad" of the same squadmates, based on player preference?  All with no real gameplay change?

3) Could these both be combat outfits, but which provide different benefits?  Say, an armored character might have a degree of damage reduction while an unarmored character might have faster power refresh?  Similarly, could these outfits be upgraded differently?  If you could build several "suits" of armor, could you select one as part of the loadout as you would weapons?

[crimzontearz]

I think casey already said there are more armor upgrades-mods-options this time around in one of his tweets

[100k]

crimzontearz wrote...
no armor (even light) in combat scenario = underdressed

No. It. Doesn't.

Miranda doesn't wear armor most of the time because she's an AGENT! She isn't tied down to protocol. On top of that, she uses her look to "give her an edge". But guess what? She gets an alternate costume that's pretty heavy. Case. Closed.

Jacob's "catsuit' has armor plating on it. He's also a biotic with a strong barrier. Hence, he doesn't really need anything heavier on. Case. Closed.

Jack doesn't need armor, because she's probably got a biotic barrier as thick as a Krogan's skull. But she gets a heavy vest WITH a biotic amp (or kinetic barrier) clearly visible on the back. Case. Closed.

Samara wears a fairly hefty combat suit, but because of a little split in her cleavage (the only part of her costume any critics seem to notice), feminists claim that she's underdressed. Hate to break it to everyone, but Samara killed off an entire platoon of Eclipse mercs who were all heavier armored than her. What does this tell you about the value armor? Case. Closed.

Thane doesn't wear armor because he prefers to be quick and loose. Wearing bulky thick armor just gets in the way of someone that skilled. He's quick and mobile, like Miranda. He can also probably get passed metal detectors and other security measures without armor as well. Case. Closed. 

Ash is a soldier in ME1. But by ME3 she's a full blown Spectre! God knows what talents she's learned since then. If she wants to wear a catsuit, a leather combat jacket, or armor, you better believe she's got a DAMN good reason for doing so. Not that she needs one. I bet that unarmored Shepard + gun could take on an entire room of Alliance soldiers.

You keep assuming that EVERYONE on Shepard's team needs to be a soldier. But they aren't. They are ALL the best at what they do. Scientists, agents, rebels, warriors, soldiers, thieves, mercs, assassins, machines, etc. If you can't understand that, then shut up and leave this entire argument alone! Go play ME2 if you want clarification!
:pinched: 

let me ask you a question, if I told you "in ME2 garrus will also have a helmet" but left out the fact he only wears it in certain missions would I have not told the truth technically? but were you to assume I meant "you will be able to equip said helmet any time" when that is actually not the case simply because I said that he will ALSO have a helmet without going into details would you not feel like a fool?

I don't think Casey is that deceptive! ME3 is the finale, as thus far, most of what's been released is evidence that at least 40% of ME3 is pure fan service. This is the end. The conclusion. He probably decided to show Ash in her jacket outfit to get a public response. It was very (and unfairly) negative.

When the first picture of Ash came out, people went "ZOMG Miranda derp herp! Look at the size of jer boobies!" without any proof to back themselves up. When footage of Ash finally came out, surprise surprise, her breasts were average size. So people decided to pick apart her attire instead. Surprise surprise, she has more combat oriented gear. And you know what? When an image of her in armor comes out, it still won't be good enough. If she's in her ME1 attire, people will complain that she's not new enough. If she's in new armor, people will complain that it's not "Ash"-enough. 

I originally voted Ash on Casey's post of who we wanted to see most, but I've come to  the incredibly late revelation that no matter what, Ash (as a byproduct of Miranda's undeserved hate) will always be hated by some group. And it's retarded. 

I should have asked for a screen about Kai Leng <_<<_<<_<

Modifié par 100k, 06 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Well said 100k. Totally agree. Especially on the second to last paragraph.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 06 juillet 2011 - 11:54 .

[Xeranx]

100k wrote...

And you know this how? I seem to remember Jacob and Samara having kinetic barriers in the game. In fact, I remember Shepard attending a party for Donovan Hock, and having a kinetic barrier, despite no armor at the time. It is likely that the barrier is maintained by a fairly slim generator that can be small enough to wear inside of normal clothes.

And that bit was incredibly stupid.  Then again ME2 was lax on the lore in many places and seemed to pick it back up when it felt it wanted to.

Just wanted to say that my response goes to your latest post as well.  I mean, why did Miranda get an alternative pack that included armor in the first place?  Because it was unneeded?

Modifié par Xeranx, 06 juillet 2011 - 11:56 .

[crimzontearz]

really? because last time I checked all of them are going in frontline firefights

all of them will have to sustain firefights of attrition in several instances, all of the might end up chewed by a varren, pimp smacked by a husk AND to top it off biotic barriers and kinetic shields DO fail in combat AND can be hacked, overloaded or warped off. Lacking proper armor even LIGHT armor of some sort is, indeed, being underdressed UNLESS said characters fall into a role that does not need armor.

prime example, Thane wearing his open chest clothes, Totally ok during his loyalty mission. Completely ridiculous during the Collector Ship mission where has has to deal with melee enemies as well as several firefight of attrition where losing his shields is very probable since, well, there is liuterally no way for him to do his whole ninja number not to mention explosion shrapnel oh and let's never forget the lovely particle beams which he has a neck for getting shot with. Same can be said about pretty much everyone else. Barriers do fail, ingame they fail OFTEN (partly because the AI sucks) and they can literally be stripped off leaving characters like jack pretty much NAKED against hails of hypersonic bullets. THAT is where you need goddamn armor without even beginning to consider all other sorts of advantages that come from even wearing LIGHT armor.

If Miranda did nothing but fight one or two guys here and there using the element of surprise or deception I'd be OK with her wearing a catsuit and being an "agent" BUT she fights hordes of goons, heavy mechs, geth primes and whatnot.

as for Casey being deceptive (or as I like to say Sybilline). 2 words, damage control. I am not saying he is lying I am saying until I get a clarification I am not going to give his words a meaning that is not there.

The squishiest of squishy biotics wore full light armor in ME1, I want the same for ME3

[Iakus]

100k wrote...

You keep assuming that EVERYONE on Shepard's team needs to be a soldier. But they aren't. They are ALL the best at what they do. Scientists, agents, rebels, warriors, soldiers, thieves, mercs, assassins, machines, etc.

Just to point something out:

While you are correct that in ME2, the outfits they wore might have been appropriate for their chosen profession or abilities the simple fact of the matter was, it didn't matter.  The strategy was always the same:  frontal assault down a corridor shooting everything that moves.  At no point was Thane's stealthy assassin talents utilized, at no point did Miranda use her appearance to fool or distract guards.  As such, their outfits while perhaps appropriate for their personalities, did not fit the environment or the situation.  So in a sense, yes, everyone on Shepard's team needed to be a soldier (small "s") since all that was being done was frontline assaults.

Similarly, there is the saying "redundancy is good, redundancy is good" While biotics may be able to supplement their defenses with barriers, how much of a burden is it to at least wear light armor?  Sure Samara is a biotic killing machine, but do the SM wrong and you see that even she can't maintain shields and barriers forever.  Would a torso plate, or even a zipper, have been such a bad thing?  

Modifié par iakus, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:01 .

[Iakus]

100k wrote...

I originally voted Ash on Casey's post of who we wanted to see most, but I've come to  the incredibly late revelation that no matter what, Ash (as a byproduct of Miranda's undeserved hate) will always be hated by some group. And it's retarded. 

Ash has always been hated by some group, going back to ME1.  But ironically, the ones that like her outfit least are in large part  big fans of hers:D

I think you'll be surprised at the huge sigh of relief on the boards if Mr Hudson does in fact "deliver the goods" and shows her wearing a suit of bad**** heavy armor and says "This option is available in every combat mission you take her on"

[100k]

Xeranx wrote...
Just wanted to say that my response goes to your latest post as well.  I mean, why did Miranda get an alternative pack that included armor in the first place?  Because it was unneeded?

She got it because it was fan service. Proving once and for all, that Bioware listens to their fans. 

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Xeranx wrote...

Just wanted to say that my response goes to your latest post as well.  I mean, why did Miranda get an alternative pack that included armor in the first place?  Because it was unneeded?

This. The fact that they're getting feedback now will help them develop better character designs when the game actually comes out.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Ash has always been hated by some group, going back to ME1.  But ironically, the ones that like her outfit least are in large part  big fans of hers:D

*raises hand*

Guilty as charged. But even I find her armor to lack consistency. 

[100k]

Regarding frontal assaults:

I completely get why that seems off putting. My guess is that, had Bioware been given more development time, they could have implemented more diverse game play situations; like stealth for Thane, Kasumi, and Miranda; or biotic power sessions for Jack and Samara. But you can see that ME2, particularly during the final missions, was being at least fairly rushed. Hell, the Collector Base is almost entirely a copy paste of the Derelict Ship.

Time is the ultimate enemy here, and if ME3 succumbs to time restraints, then we'll likely look back on it in a year and wonder what may have been.

[Another Dave]

iakus wrote...

100k wrote...

You keep assuming that EVERYONE on Shepard's team needs to be a soldier. But they aren't. They are ALL the best at what they do. Scientists, agents, rebels, warriors, soldiers, thieves, mercs, assassins, machines, etc.

Just to point something out:

While you are correct that in ME2, the outfits they wore might have been appropriate for their chosen profession or abilities the simple fact of the matter was, it didn't matter.  The strategy was always the same:  frontal assault down a corridor shooting everything that moves.  At no point was Thane's stealthy assassin talents utilized, at no point did Miranda use her appearance to fool or distract guards.  As such, their outfits while perhaps appropriate for their personalities, did not fit the environment or the situation.  So in a sense, yes, everyone on Shepard's team needed to be a soldier (small "s") since all that was being done was frontline assaults.

I couldn't agree more. I firmly believe that light armour should be the minimum for all squad members during fire fights, as was the case in the first Mass Effect. It was necessary then, after all, so why is it not necessary 2 years later?

With a larger cast of squad mates in ME2 there was a need to make the characters more readily distinguishable from each other and the armour less generic, but it was taken way too far.

As far as Ashley goes, it's the juxtaposition between her comments in the first game and her appearance in the third - as many have already pointed out - that irks me. Not that much has been shown of the game so far, though, so there's plenty of room for changes in the character to be explained.

Modifié par Another Dave, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:37 .

[1136342t54_]

 I really wonder why people are bringing up the old character outfits again.

Seriously I can understand why people want Miranda to wear armor in a firefight and even though she is more in line with the CIA even CIA black ops wear combat fatigues so she should have the option to use armor which Bioware gave.

Jack on the other hand I bet you couldn't get her to wear armor. Its not because she is heavily sexualized because lets face it Jack is not the fantasies of every teenage boy trust me I'm still one. Jack would likely maybe where a vest that is bullet proof but she likes to show off her tattoos and her biotics is likely strong enough to make most armor obsolete. Its not that compromising with her. The same kind of goes for Samara but at least she wears some variant of leather armor with shields.

Ashley is said to be given armor and a helmet. Also I believe one of Bioware's devs said the helmet toggle is back from ME1. Right now the dev team dealing with Mass Effect haven't really failed me so far I'm going to believe them when they are going to give Ashley armor.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 07 juillet 2011 - 03:18 .