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[gorrillasnake]

nice photoshop work

Ross42899 wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

DCopeland wrote...

Bioware, the fans of the Mass Effect series want this.

Cool. This would really be a nice outfit for Ash in ME3. I hope she will wearing something like this at least in one or two missions of the game.

[Eromenos]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

When I see terms like "absolutist binary dynamic," I am teleported back to Calhoun 337 at 8:50 AM where Liberalism and its Critics is taught by Brooke Ackerly.

I'll admit the class was very intellectually challenging, but I approached every assignment with unadulterated dread and odium.

Do tell, why do you believe Ashley's catsuit is not the sci-fi equivalent of a chain-mail bikini?

I'm not going to bite, because I really don't need to tell you.

Madam or Sir, I'll have you know I am quite far to the left of any current-day liberal appeasers.

Now I am so confused! At first it seemed you believe Ashley's catsuit is actually more "demure and sensible" than the chain-mail bikini analogy...but now I wonder if you think it is actually even worse than that.

[Eromenos]

Infestation wrote...

Eromenos, I've had enough of your snide insinuations!
*FALCAWN PAWNCH*
Are you going to say I'm a misogynist now?

What is this! I don't even... 

[Iakus]

1136342t54 wrote...

Jack on the other hand I bet you couldn't get her to wear armor. Its not because she is heavily sexualized because lets face it Jack is not the fantasies of every teenage boy trust me I'm still one. Jack would likely maybe where a vest that is bullet proof but she likes to show off her tattoos and her biotics is likely strong enough to make most armor obsolete. Its not that compromising with her. The same kind of goes for Samara but at least she wears some variant of leather armor with shields.

Ashley is said to be given armor and a helmet. Also I believe one of Bioware's devs said the helmet toggle is back from ME1. Right now the dev team dealing with Mass Effect haven't really failed me so far I'm going to believe them when they are going to give Ashley armor.

Actually, I always harbored a wish that there was a scene in ME2 where Shepard and Miranda try to give Jack a suit of light Cerberus armor.  She'd refuse of course, loudly and with blue language.  Shepard insists, and Jack reluctantly takes it.  We later see her in the armor, a graffitied up and punked out, the Cerberus logos burned off.  But no structural damage, so it still functioned as armor.  Think Miranda's AAP armor, only it's evil twin...

Armor is fully capable of looking functional and reflecting a personality.  But it has to reflect the right personality for the character too

Modifié par iakus, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .

[Eromenos]

THX-1137 wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Infestation wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, I know. I'm here for teh azure of course. Just so long as it's Kaidan's azure.

In the meantime, you shouldn't be so casual about referring to women as hos. I always clarify myself when I use it around this place. I use it as a critique against BioWare's unjust targeting of women in a way that is hurtful to women just so BioWare can pimp them out to dudebros.

Case in point with the way BioWare depicted women characters' "alternative outfits" for this Collector's Edition. Why should they be singled out for this crap? Tsk.

Fact: Sex sells.

Fact: That's an excuse for treating women exclusively as toys.

Fact: Everyone is tired of Eromenos' rants. Whether or not people agree with you, I think I can safely say on behalf of the rest of the forum posters, give it a rest, por favor.

Maybe Bioware's just making a more accurate futuristic reflection of our society, maybe those issues aren't resolved in the future or never will be, or maybe they really are going with the "sex sells" formula. But seriously, just relax.

I trust Bioware. They have never let me down. The game isn't coming out for a while.

If it is that big of an issue for you don't buy the game or don't use that outfit. Simple as that.

Everytime I see/hear/smell anyone defaulting to their "realistic" idea in order to make excuses for their investments such as "some people are straight" and "sex sells" or "maybe she chose this" I know they're doing it to try and justify homophobic queer-tokenism intermingled with sexist misogyny in their overvalued toys.

"Futuristic reflection of our society" because...what? By your logic they must have these women be ultra-femme at the cost of becoming stupidly vulnerable in a way that's reassuring only to dudebros and not to the women they're supposed to actually represent? Clearly in ME1 that was unnecessary.

You trust BioWare. They have never let you down. That's because you appreciate their willful mishandling of women.

And, excuse me. Since it's obviously that big of an issue for me, I much prefer to deconstruct this thing head-on as opposed to giving up or walking away from a problem that needs saying (in even more places than just here).

Modifié par Eromenos, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:01 .

[Infestation]

Are you still trolling, Eromenos?

[Massadonious1]

Then make a picket sign, dress up in a burlap sack, and go stand and chant in front of a Hooters.

The rest of us will discuss a fictional video game universe without you. And very happily, I might add.

[Sheppard-Commander]

As a Vanguard and frontline soldier, Jacob's crotch was criminally unprotected in ME2. This is blatant sexism against men.

[Someone With Mass]

Just because one of them has a fancy title doesn't mean they should throw common sense out the window the first chance they get. People aren't wearing armor just for fun, you know. And the shield argument is weak at best, because the shields aren't made to absorb dozens and dozens of bullets. They're merely there to buy the use time to get to cover. Not to mention that they're not protecting the wearer from heat based weapons like lasers or flamethrowers or sharp objects like knives.

It just feels so silly when people on the team are dressing up like that, fully knowing that they're going to a battle and not a fashion show.

I mean, you didn't see Shepard ditch the armor for something like a tuxedo or a t-shirt the moment he became a Spectre.

[Il Divo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Just because one of them has a fancy title doesn't mean they should throw common sense out the window the first chance they get. People aren't wearing armor just for fun, you know. And the shield argument is weak at best, because the shields aren't made to absorb dozens and dozens of bullets. They're merely there to buy the use time to get to cover. Not to mention that they're not protecting the wearer from heat based weapons like lasers or flamethrowers or sharp objects like knives.

It just feels so silly when people on the team are dressing up like that, fully knowing that they're going to a battle and not a fashion show.

I mean, you didn't see Shepard ditch the armor for something like a tuxedo or a t-shirt the moment he became a Spectre.

True, but this all goes back to our suspension of disbelief. For myself, there's a reason why I don't mind the lack of armor on any squaddie in ME2.

My favorite Bioware game was KotOR. Every character (excluding Jolee) started in a unique outfit, which I thought fit that character particularly well; the outfits seemed designed for those characters. Then I began equipping the characters with armor and I realized that what 'felt right' on my PC ended up looking awkward on my companions. This was to the point where I kept every companion in his original outfit (despite having no armor bonus, gimping my companions).

From then on, I could care less whether my companions are wearing combat-appropriate armor; I care more that Bioware designs a unique appearance that fits the character. In the case of Jack, I don't mind. In the case of Ashley? Well, she was established as being very pro-armor, so there I have greater concerns.

[lazuli]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

As a Vanguard and frontline soldier, Jacob's crotch was criminally unprotected in ME2. This is blatant sexism against men.

It's odd how every other guy gets a man-basket...

[Infestation]

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

As a Vanguard and frontline soldier, Jacob's crotch was criminally unprotected in ME2. This is blatant sexism against men.

Heavy risk, but the PRIZE.

Modifié par Infestation, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .

[Eromenos]

Phaedon wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

@Eromenos,

Perhaps your discussion is best suited for another thread, as it encompasses, not just Ash's look, but the look of females in general in Mass Effect games.

Eh, I was hoping to continue the debate. Though I see your point.

This has nothing to do with how women are portrayed in the MEverse. If the outfits of Samara or Miranda have been sexist, then the same applies to Jacob and Thane.

Bottom line is, this is the 21st century, and it appears as if people have been lucky enough to never learn what sexism is. 

"Sexism, also known as gender discrimination or sex discrimination, is the application of the belief or attitude that there are characteristics implicit to one's gender that indirectly affect one's abilities in unrelated areas."

In sort, it is to believe that a specific gender is born without the rights that the other has, and that equality is a lie.

Eye candy is obviously not exclusive to to a gender in the ME games. Even if it was, like earlier games (and especially RPGs a few years ago, when the market wasn't as politically correct), to call the artist the artist sexist makes it obvious that people have no idea what sexism is, and how serious it is. 

It's the equivalent to saying that GTA SA and everyone behind it is racist because they have an African American in the role of the gangster. 

There are of course limits to eye candy, but BSN has been rather contradictive concerning that.

They want nudity in romance scenes both with humans and non-humans for example.

There's just one thing wrong with the very common definition of sexism you provided. It likes to think there can be sexism against males. Whoever wrote that definition is either lacking sufficient information at best, or lying outright at worst. There is no such thing as reverse-sexism in our current world. Sexism is only directed against women. Most often by men (especially in the case of ME2's and ME3's devs and their dudebro loyalists), though women can play up to it as well, as in one widespread telling example, claiming that there is no sexism in their own lives and they're not oppressed in any way by it, or "those poor women in other places" are the ones who actually have to live it. No. Men and women can both deny that it's there, but it is still there. Men have too much power by far. Women do not have enough.

That is an overvalued dynamic being reflected by BioWare's commitment to showcasing a lowbrow catsuit Ashley when she should be wearing armor that is up to and potentially exceeds Kaidan and Shepard's level, depending on Shepard's class. In general, one does not even have to possess feminist language in order to look at what they did to her and say, "That **** ain't right."

Modifié par Eromenos, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:03 .

[PrinceLionheart]

lazuli wrote...

Sheppard-Commander wrote...

As a Vanguard and frontline soldier, Jacob's crotch was criminally unprotected in ME2. This is blatant sexism against men.

It's odd how every other guy gets a man-basket...

Jacob has a body sculpted by the gods. He doesn't need real armor. :innocent:

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Eromenos wrote...
There is no such thing as reverse-sexism in our current world. Sexism is only directed against women.

Sexism can be directed at men, women, or genderqueer individuals (especially the latter). It's more commonly directed against women in our society in comparison to men, but that doesn't mean it's only directed at women.

OT: Are we still arguing this? Of course it's sexist to put a woman in a tight leather whatever-it-is while you put men in armor, and of course Bioware puts hilariously sexist stuff in their games. But fortunately, I'm pretty sure the ME team got the feedback on this particular release loud and clear.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:12 .

[Eromenos]

Il Divo wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Eromenos wrote...

Oh, let us see. In fantasy genre the males are oftentimes covered from head-to-toe. In cloth or furs at the least, if not leather and armor altogether. Absolute protection for the men? Mebbe. Mebbe not. Either way, their standard affords them the "most" protection in their setting in relation to women, obviously quite more than what is allowed for the buxom swordswoman you helpfully provided. You are so smart, she's exactly what I was referring to. 

I think there are some times in which men in fantasy wear less or little but...ratio-wise, I think it's a safe bet that women fighters in fantasy are kept in much skimpier(sp?) attire than their male counterparts. Exposure to...swords, fangs, poniards, elements, poisons, claws, and might I say the uncharitable naked eye as well. Does her...gear...equate to battle-worthiness in societies in which armor affords protection to a warrior or even to some mages who can hack it under the weight? I hope I do not have to point out the misogynistic hypocrisy in that there dynamic, but it was probably safer for me to mention it just in case.

Time to draw an analogy between that situation and the one in which Ashley Williams has found herself stuck in. Given some people's common sense regarding the value of tough surfaces providing a measure of defense for our bodies against all manner of tangible dangers, it would be unwise for a Marine/Spectre to execute her duties wearing a catsuit whose only strength is to serve titillation for any uncharitable eye.

Hmm. Hmmmmmm. Perhaps it would benefit you more to examine a pertinent sci-fi instance that is quite similar to Ashley's exploitation. Perhaps 2 of them!

http://i216.photobuc...pg?t=1267588864

Like Ashley, Seven and T'Pol are both women crewmembers of their respective scifi military ships. I really don't think this analogy should be too dense, but, but! Alas, I am no mind-reader. 

You probably missed it while typing out your excessive essays, but I believe you were asked to stop posting this about two pages back.

I'm not sure what you're doing, but I am pretty sure I was staying on-topic about the wrongness of forcing a prominent female Marine grunt to wear a catsuit just to titillate the shooter-crowd. Pretty sure!

As to that, I compared her current situation to the way Seven and T'Pol were similarly exploited. Like those two, Ashley would benefit immensely by wearing a uniform appropriate for her job. In fact, she'd benefit much more because wearing armor provides her with life and not death as a shock trooper unlike the other two women whose jobs bear less guaranteed danger.  Not that they don't face danger themselves...wedge-heels and corsets in their line of work can't be good either.

No, you're attempting to turn this into a debate about feminism. You can voice dislike of Ashley's new armor without references to 'exploitation of women' and 'Bioware are misogynists', and all the rest. You simply don't want to.

No, you're attempting to limit this debate into elementary sound-bytes that would utterly fail to tackle the source of the problem, that being BioWare's willful abuse of its own responsibilities. To limit this into "it's sexy" or "it's dumb" is a waste of space because your current method (reflected by many other posters here) only continues to avoid criticizing the complicated energies that very often culminate into harmful situations of overprivileged males rendering females down solely for male titillation. Anyone can voice dislike of Ashley's new catsuit with references to "exploitation of women" and "BioWare are misogynists," and all the rest. Many simply are too afraid to, because in that instant their longtime respect for their heroes at BioWare Studios becomes the tiniest bit less.

And also, of course, because it's much easier and safer to vent against a lone target like myself rather than those said heroes.

Modifié par Eromenos, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

crimzontearz wrote...

prime example, Thane wearing his open chest clothes, Totally ok during his loyalty mission. Completely ridiculous during the Collector Ship mission where has has to deal with melee enemies as well as several firefight of attrition where losing his shields is very probable since, well, there is liuterally no way for him to do his whole ninja number not to mention explosion shrapnel oh and let's never forget the lovely particle beams which he has a neck for getting shot with. Same can be said about pretty much everyone else. Barriers do fail, ingame they fail OFTEN (partly because the AI sucks) and they can literally be stripped off leaving characters like jack pretty much NAKED against hails of hypersonic bullets. THAT is where you need goddamn armor without even beginning to consider all other sorts of advantages that come from even wearing LIGHT armor.

Thane's exposed chest isn't just for show, though; it has to do with his condition. See here.

[Eromenos]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'm not sure why some of you are making a big deal out of this while on the other hand demainding that bioware provide s/s romances...

If Ashley's a Spectre now, then there's nothing wrong with her adopting a look that commands more attention than a soldier. Plus, if Shepard romanced her, she likely feels more like a woman than she did before and also would not be wearing armor during the hearing.

It's like people forgot that Shepard and Anderson weren't wearing armor in the demo either...

Biphobia? I'll play. Assuming BioWare does the right thing by finally allowing Kaidan and Ashley to be fully bisexual as they always were, it would not be a retcon of anything in their past. Assuming BioWare continues to do the wrong thing by stuffing Marine Spectre Ashley into a catsuit, it would be a total retcon of her combat-background.

You seem to think Ashley was a virgin before Shepard. That Shepard changed Ashley and made her into a "real woman who cares most what dudebros think of the way she looks while she's running and gunning?" Please.

Shepard and Anderson were not ensconed inside a military-grade Alliance warship when the Reapers arrived. Ashley Williams was. Regardless of what Shepard and Anderson were up to, Ashley undoubtedly would've had instant-access to what she needed. If BioWare wanted to risk turning off their dudebros, I mean.

Those other two were in a courtroom. She was probably in the Normandy's armory. Which of these 3 would've had the best available gear on-hand in the shortest amount of time?

[Patchwork]

iakus wrote...


Actually, I always harbored a wish that there was a scene in ME2 where Shepard and Miranda try to give Jack a suit of light Cerberus armor.  She'd refuse of course, loudly and with blue language.  Shepard insists, and Jack reluctantly takes it.  We later see her in the armor, a graffitied up and punked out, the Cerberus logos burned off.  But no structural damage, so it still functioned as armor.  Think Miranda's AAP armor, only it's evil twin...

Heh I would have loved a scene like this. I really hope that Jack does wear proper armour in 3 but now I really want her wearing Miranda's AAP armour graffitied to the nines.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Eromenos wrote...

Biphobia? I'll play. Assuming BioWare does the right thing by finally allowing Kaidan and Ashley to be fully bisexual as they always were, it would not be a retcon of anything in their past. Assuming BioWare continues to do the wrong thing by stuffing Marine Spectre Ashley into a catsuit, it would be a total retcon of her combat-background.

Game on.

I just find the polarity between the two "requests" to be a bit funny.  If the s/s arguement is to have chars doing what makes them happy... what's wrong with Ashley sprucing herself up?  She looks happy and more confident.

Additionally, her new suit looks a lot more function-driven than the Alliance blues she wore in the original Mass Effect.  It's not a retcon for a soldier to not wear armor 24/7... yet alone someone who's ascended beyond one.

You seem to think Ashley was a virgin before Shepard. That Shepard changed Ashley and made her into a "real woman who cares most what dudebros think of the way she looks while she's running and gunning?" Please.

Lol, please indeed... my mind wasn't in the gutter when I wrote that.  I wasn't taking it anywhere near that far.  She cares about Shepard and is getting to see him again (after he'd been 'dead' for 2 years).  If you romanced her, she loves him (may love him regardless) and sent him a letter saying how she couldn't lose him "a second time" etc.(complete with more poetry) ...she's within right to make herself look nicer than a soldier given the occasion.  Also keep in mind that she's a Spectre now... so she's within additional rights to distinguish herself.

Shepard and Anderson were not ensconed inside a military-grade Alliance warship when the Reapers arrived. Ashley Williams was. Regardless of what Shepard and Anderson were up to, Ashley undoubtedly would've had instant-access to what she needed. If BioWare wanted to risk turning off their dudebros, I mean.

Those other two were in a courtroom. She was probably in the Normandy's armory. Which of these 3 would've had the best available gear on-hand in the shortest amount of time?

Shepard and Anderson ran to a damaged/destroyed ship to request the Normandy's pickup.  Can't really put Ashley at fault for happening to be at the Normandy instead.  We don't know how long it took her to get there either...  And in the middle of an all-out invasion, taking time to get dressed in a suit of armor could be done... but not everyone would put the lives of their friends (Shepard and Anderson) on the line by taking precious time out to do that (because Shepard and Anderson aren't wearing armor either and are in more danger from enemies on the ground).

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:24 .

[Eromenos]

100k wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
no armor (even light) in combat scenario = underdressed

No. It. Doesn't.

Miranda doesn't wear armor most of the time because she's an AGENT! She isn't tied down to protocol. On top of that, she uses her look to "give her an edge". But guess what? She gets an alternate costume that's pretty heavy. Case. Closed.

Please. I invite you to read Valerie Plame's own take regarding the dudebro-espoused "Bond Girl" stereotypes that plague her profession. Plame happened to be a "hawt woman" secret-agent and she is no particular fan of the exploitation in the media about her kind.

http://www.vanityfai...h-an-ak-47.html

I only wish I could locate her own article she submitted to The Daily Beast, in which she gave a longer opinion on the matter.

Jacob's "catsuit' has armor plating on it. He's also a biotic with a strong barrier. Hence, he doesn't really need anything heavier on. Case. Closed.

"Shoulder-armor" and "glove armor." A person's most vital bits in a gunfight. Ok. Whatever you say.

Jack doesn't need armor, because she's probably got a biotic barrier as thick as a Krogan's skull. But she gets a heavy vest WITH a biotic amp (or kinetic barrier) clearly visible on the back. Case. Closed.

Jack's biotic barrier is perfectly fallible on any setting, just like everybody else's barriers or shields. The math is there, onscreen. What's Jack going to rely on when she runs out of juice? Perhaps the strength of your determination to reinforce BioWare's cop-outs.

Samara wears a fairly hefty combat suit, but because of a little split in her cleavage (the only part of her costume any critics seem to notice), feminists claim that she's underdressed. Hate to break it to everyone, but Samara killed off an entire platoon of Eclipse mercs who were all heavier armored than her. What does this tell you about the value armor? Case. Closed.

Samara wears a catsuit...with precious shoulder armor again. And no glove-armor, even. But what she does have are high-heels and cleavage that extends to even below her actual cleavage. Hate to break it to you, but BioWare claiming that Samara can take out Eclipse singlehandedly with no gun and no armor does not in any way sell me on their claim that armor can be conveniently unnecessary when they exploit women for titillation.

Thane doesn't wear armor because he prefers to be quick and loose. Wearing bulky thick armor just gets in the way of someone that skilled. He's quick and mobile, like Miranda. He can also probably get passed metal detectors and other security measures without armor as well. Case. Closed. 

Thane doesn't wear armor because BioWare preferred to be lazy about programing for customization in a RPG of all things, and to oversell the image that he's a "badass pimp." BioWare's claims that he, like all the others, being superhuman is paper-thin.

Ash is a soldier in ME1. But by ME3 she's a full blown Spectre! God knows what talents she's learned since then. If she wants to wear a catsuit, a leather combat jacket, or armor, you better believe she's got a DAMN good reason for doing so. Not that she needs one. I bet that unarmored Shepard + gun could take on an entire room of Alliance soldiers.

The only reason she would wear an unprotective catsuit instead of her trusted armor is not because "she made the decision." She would never, if she were a real person. Instead, the dudebros at BioWare made the "decision" for her.

You keep assuming that EVERYONE on Shepard's team needs to be a soldier. But they aren't. They are ALL the best at what they do. Scientists, agents, rebels, warriors, soldiers, thieves, mercs, assassins, machines, etc. If you can't understand that, then shut up and leave this entire argument alone! Go play ME2 if you want clarification!
:pinched: 

I've played ME2 and I never forget how ridiculous they all are.

let me ask you a question, if I told you "in ME2 garrus will also have a helmet" but left out the fact he only wears it in certain missions would I have not told the truth technically? but were you to assume I meant "you will be able to equip said helmet any time" when that is actually not the case simply because I said that he will ALSO have a helmet without going into details would you not feel like a fool?

I don't think Casey is that deceptive! ME3 is the finale, as thus far, most of what's been released is evidence that at least 40% of ME3 is pure fan service. This is the end. The conclusion. He probably decided to show Ash in her jacket outfit to get a public response. It was very (and unfairly) negative.

When the first picture of Ash came out, people went "ZOMG Miranda derp herp! Look at the size of jer boobies!" without any proof to back themselves up. When footage of Ash finally came out, surprise surprise, her breasts were average size. So people decided to pick apart her attire instead. Surprise surprise, she has more combat oriented gear. And you know what? When an image of her in armor comes out, it still won't be good enough. If she's in her ME1 attire, people will complain that she's not new enough. If she's in new armor, people will complain that it's not "Ash"-enough. 

I originally voted Ash on Casey's post of who we wanted to see most, but I've come to  the incredibly late revelation that no matter what, Ash (as a byproduct of Miranda's undeserved hate) will always be hated by some group. And it's retarded. 

I should have asked for a screen about Kai Leng <_<<_<<_<

Why wouldn't Hudson be deceptive if he thought it would benefit him? He tried to insult everybody's intelligence by claiming that asari weren't actually female and that thus BioWare couldn't be exploiting F/F while being homophobic against M/M. He even used that to claim that Liara/FShepard couldn't represent a S/S relationship. People saw through that. You should try reading between the lines just once for a change instead of swallowing every element of crap they put out.

Modifié par Eromenos, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:42 .

[Xeranx]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Lol, please indeed... my mind wasn't in the gutter when I wrote that.  I wasn't taking it anywhere near that far.  She cares about Shepard and is getting to see him again (after he'd been 'dead' for 2 years).  If you romanced her, she loves him (may love him regardless) and sent him a letter saying how she couldn't lose him "a second time" etc.(complete with more poetry) ...she's within right to make herself look nicer than a soldier given the occasion.  Also keep in mind that she's a Spectre now... so she's within additional rights to distinguish herself.

I seriously can't believe that people keep bringing this up.  It's like they don't know who they're talking about.  Ashley is the same person who quotes the regs on fraternization in Mass Effect.  She says "it takes some kind of thick-headed" to enter a profession in which your name is blacklisted.  I even think she states that she's career military.  A line discussing what she thinks about Asari Commando armor has been stated many times over.  It's in Iakus' signature on the previous page for crying out loud. 

In ME2, she states that she's an Alliance Marine and that it's in her blood.  This is anywhere from half a year to a year before ME3.  Considering all that we were told about Ashley are we to reasonably assume that she would disregard practicality just because she received a Spectre position?  I believe it was also stated that all attempts at diplomacy have failed by the time a Spectre is called in.  What does that mean to you?  That she gets to try her feminine wiles on the target?

[Cainne Chapel]

Wow Ero... you seem very angry....

I'm still not getting what the supposed problem is if the devs have outright said she would have normal Armor and what we've seen her in, isn't her armor?

I feel you're just arguing to argue now. Are some of the outfits playing to juvenile fantasies? Sure. But its no different than everyday life.

Granted hopefully with Squad customization, you can change that now,s o its not out and out silly. but *shrugs*

its really not a huge pressing concern to to me personally at this moment as to what the squadies are wearing/can wear. I can honestly say I can wait until the game comes out to know all those little details, as long as I know we can change it up, i'm good. If not, once again *shrugs*

[Eromenos]

Massadonious1 wrote...

Then make a picket sign, dress up in a burlap sack, and go stand and chant in front of a Hooters.

The rest of us will discuss a fictional video game universe without you. And very happily, I might add.

Why would I want to disturb Hooters? The women who are forced to work in such places all have bills they need to pay. Me going there and endangering them is bad. Me coming here and criticizing mainstream toys that contribute to a culture that forces women into Hooters endangers nothing except people's preconceptions about BioWare.

I happen to enjoy ME because I enjoy space operas and RPGs. That, however, does not mean I tolerate the presence of misogynistic cop-outs no matter how many people make excuses for such as if they "come with the territory." Quite the opposite from me. It is because I enjoy most of the basics of ME like drama, politics, and danger that I want such crap unnecessary sexism redressed. BioWare forcing Ashley to wear a catsuit isn't right.

Modifié par Eromenos, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:09 .

[Someone With Mass]

Xeranx wrote...

I seriously can't believe that people keep bringing this up.  It's like they don't know who they're talking about.  Ashley is the same person who quotes the regs on fraternization in Mass Effect.  She says "it takes some kind of thick-headed" to enter a profession in which your name is blacklisted.  I even think she states that she's career military.  A line discussing what she thinks about Asari Commando armor has been stated many times over.  It's in Iakus' signature on the previous page for crying out loud. 

In ME2, she states that she's an Alliance Marine and that it's in her blood.  This is anywhere from half a year to a year before ME3.  Considering all that we were told about Ashley are we to reasonably assume that she would disregard practicality just because she received a Spectre position?  I believe it was also stated that all attempts at diplomacy have failed by the time a Spectre is called in.  What does that mean to you?  That she gets to try her feminine wiles on the target?

So much this.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again: Military people won't forget how to dress up properly for a mission just because they got a fancy new title.