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[vader da slayer]

I still don't see what everyone is all in an uproar about (when it comes to the appearance, not the other thing that shall not be mentioned that was discussed in this thread). I think they all look great and the appearance of each will probably be explained further as we get closer to release (as some has already been talked about) and who knows, their appearance may change drasticly between now and then.

also I support the fauxhawk. but imo his armor could be slimmed down a bit to be more shepard/kaidan-ish.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Xeranx wrote...
She already alluded to wearing thigh-high boots and a tin-foil mini-skirt.  She makes mention of what her sisters would think of Flux.  She expresses disdain how guys are the same no matter what race they are or where they are in relation to Chora's Den.  She even makes a comment about being a tiger in bed if I remember correctly while also not being romance savvy if you romance her completely.  I have no ideas of her being an inhibited recluse.

At this point she has no armor.  Until we see it we can't say with any kind of authority that she has any armor. Chud made a tweet a few days ago which is quite similar to a tweet he made last month which was prior to the re-color of an outfit we were shown in the E3 demo.  Anyone who actually cares about the consistency of her character would show just how much little they actually care if in response to Chud's tweet they said, "whew, glad that's over".

Ashley was written, very well, by Chris L'Etoile who is no longer with Bioware.  There are many, namely myself, who are worried about how Ashley will be portrayed in ME3.  What we saw recently in that shot (once again) being a re-color of what we were shown in E3 doesn't serve to ease any concerns we may have.

Again, until we actually see it we can't say with any authority that Ashley has her own armor.  Until we know that it'll be available everytime Shepard is wearing armor we can't say, with any authority, that it will be of any use if she does have it.  And in my case, if it requires a separate download - meaning that I'll have to pay extra for sensibility - I'll have no reason not to think that Bioware had every intention of ignoring Ashley's character as was established in Mass Effect.

If you feel that Ashley thinks all men are the same... then that only furthers why she would make herself look nicer when seeing Shepard again.

And if you can't take Casey's word for it that she'll have armor... we really have nothing to talk about until the game releases... because even screenshots of her in armor wouldn't prove anything (as they could always remove it... due to your logic).

There's no way to rationally get to you except for the final, finished game being in your hands.  Give us your report in March.

And to restate, there's no reason whatsoever why she should wear armor 24/7... she didn't even do that in Mass Effect 1 and such an obsession with always wearing armor would make her more hardcore than she actually is.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

who would know wrote...

Seriously... there is nothing wrong with that suit.  Shepard has worn things far more revealing.

[M3cHr3p71l]

javierabegazo wrote...

Alright Eromenos, Despite multiple warnings I've given you the past few days about continuing the discussion of Females and Feminine roles and BioWare in this thread, and not in it's own thread, I've got to make an example of you. Please check your inbox.

To the rest of you, please cease and desist discussion about Female presence in Videogames as this thread is not devoted to that, but to the new pictures regarding the CE costumes.

That's unfair. He was replying questions from others who you haven't even warned. IMO he isn't talking about something not in accord with the thread. If the new squadie-appearance image has a great biased/stereotyped/nopragmatic/unreal/eye-candy... charge is necessary explain why. 

[100k]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...If you feel that Ashley thinks all men are the same... then that only furthers why she would make herself look nicer when seeing Shepard again.

And if you can't take Casey's word for it that she'll have armor... we really have nothing to talk about until the game releases... because even screenshots of her in armor wouldn't prove anything (as they could always remove it... due to your logic).

There's no way to rationally get to you except for the final, finished game being in your hands.  Give us your report in March.

And to restate, there's no reason whatsoever why she should wear armor 24/7... she didn't even do that in Mass Effect 1 and such an obsession with always wearing armor would make her more hardcore than she actually is.

/thread. 

:mellow:

[Iakus]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Seriously... there is nothing wrong with that suit.  Shepard has worn things far more revealing.

Yes.

But generally speaking, not while getting shot at 

[Manic Sheep]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

who would know wrote...

Seriously... there is nothing wrong with that suit.  Shepard has worn things far more revealing.

Well IMO if that is meant to be her amour there is a problem but as casual? I agree. It not  a catsuit, it’s not that revealing even or particularly sexualising unless you count everything that show figure at all as sexualising. It looks much better here than it did in the demo or the first shot of it. Perhaps because of angle. Hell I could wear that without freaking out and I'm pretty conservative with how I dress.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:06 .

[100k]

An example of armor slightly heavier than her CE outfit.

[Iakus]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

And to restate, there's no reason whatsoever why she should wear armor 24/7... she didn't even do that in Mass Effect 1 and such an obsession with always wearing armor would make her more hardcore than she actually is.

But the entire ME2 squad (save Shepard) did wear their armor, or what passed for armor with them, 24/7.

So that, plus we have no clue what this "armor" is going to look like (though at this point we've seen a demo, an AAP picture and a concept art in a magazine showing off her "casual" looks so far) has some folks just a little nervous.  I'd say there's good reason to be until we see what Ashley will look like on a combat mission.

[jamskinner]

M3cHr3p71l wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Alright Eromenos, Despite multiple warnings I've given you the past few days about continuing the discussion of Females and Feminine roles and BioWare in this thread, and not in it's own thread, I've got to make an example of you. Please check your inbox.

To the rest of you, please cease and desist discussion about Female presence in Videogames as this thread is not devoted to that, but to the new pictures regarding the CE costumes.

That's unfair. He was replying questions from others who you haven't even warned. IMO he isn't talking about something not in accord with the thread. If the new squadie-appearance image has a great biased/stereotyped/nopragmatic/unreal/eye-candy... charge is necessary explain why. 

He was warned multiple times.

[-Skorpious-]

100k wrote...



An example of armor slightly heavier than her CE outfit.

Much better than current ME3 Ashley. Perhaps not the heaviest of armor for a full-soldier class (it would fit Kaidan better imo) but still a very well-done concept. 

[Xeranx]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
She already alluded to wearing thigh-high boots and a tin-foil mini-skirt.  She makes mention of what her sisters would think of Flux.  She expresses disdain how guys are the same no matter what race they are or where they are in relation to Chora's Den.  She even makes a comment about being a tiger in bed if I remember correctly while also not being romance savvy if you romance her completely.  I have no ideas of her being an inhibited recluse.

At this point she has no armor.  Until we see it we can't say with any kind of authority that she has any armor. Chud made a tweet a few days ago which is quite similar to a tweet he made last month which was prior to the re-color of an outfit we were shown in the E3 demo.  Anyone who actually cares about the consistency of her character would show just how much little they actually care if in response to Chud's tweet they said, "whew, glad that's over".

Ashley was written, very well, by Chris L'Etoile who is no longer with Bioware.  There are many, namely myself, who are worried about how Ashley will be portrayed in ME3.  What we saw recently in that shot (once again) being a re-color of what we were shown in E3 doesn't serve to ease any concerns we may have.

Again, until we actually see it we can't say with any authority that Ashley has her own armor.  Until we know that it'll be available everytime Shepard is wearing armor we can't say, with any authority, that it will be of any use if she does have it.  And in my case, if it requires a separate download - meaning that I'll have to pay extra for sensibility - I'll have no reason not to think that Bioware had every intention of ignoring Ashley's character as was established in Mass Effect.

If you feel that Ashley thinks all men are the same... then that only furthers why she would make herself look nicer when seeing Shepard again.

And if you can't take Casey's word for it that she'll have armor... we really have nothing to talk about until the game releases... because even screenshots of her in armor wouldn't prove anything (as they could always remove it... due to your logic).

There's no way to rationally get to you except for the final, finished game being in your hands.  Give us your report in March.

And to restate, there's no reason whatsoever why she should wear armor 24/7... she didn't even do that in Mass Effect 1 and such an obsession with always wearing armor would make her more hardcore than she actually is.

In regards to the part in bold my response was in response to your assertion that we don't really know Ashley.  I was countering that idea.  To discuss anything about how she thnks men are the same is to take the thread off-topic so I won't do it.  I will mention that disdain was the wrong word to use where it was she sounded more disappointed in the whole matter.

Not being able to take Casey's word...if he didn't come across as being duplicitous there would be no worries.  It was him that said "everyone" likes the mining mini-game.  He had hand-waved many things that people brought up here and said everyone supports what he was talking about when that was clearly NOT the case.  When you pull stunts like that you should be prepared for people to second-guess you.  If you do it repeatedly you should KNOW that people will take what you say with a grain of salt every time.  

So it's not about being rational when you're asking someone to take on faith something said by someone who obfuscates the truth and then seems to try to placate people with words and offers nothing concrete.  Actually it would be completely irrational to trust a word from that person.  As I mentioned earlier, knowing that what we saw was a re-color of what Ashley wore in the E3 video, is it irrational to assume that what we were presented with is her main outfit for the whole game?  I mean, quite a lot of people thought many of us were being irrational when we said she was wearing heels and people were equating her shoes to regular running shoes and then we get this image.  Where were those people this time around?

As for wearing armor 24/7, where did I say she should be wearing armor 24/7?  I gave you instances of 4 out of 7 people not wearing armor on the ship and you're reiterating my argument to me for what reason?  Yet it seems like you're calling to question my logic, and my ability to be rational.

Modifié par Xeranx, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:41 .

[jasonsantanna]

rolson00 wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

To fix all the debates about what Ash is wearing and her armor or causal outfit or not BW should just go back to the old system of ME1 allow the player to equip what ever sets or pcs. Of armor or clothing on Shep or squad members similar to ME 1 but improved lite armor would provide more mobility , less protection , heavy armor more protection but less mobility. This would clear all the headache about what and which armor the squadmate would wear , ppl complained so much about ME1 having to many armor , mods and guns to choose from , that it was dumbed down to much in my opinion , I for one hope that ME3 finds a middle ground for that , I didn't mind at all ME1 high count of inventory , I either sold what I didn't need or turned it into omni gel.
Just look @ what happen to DA2 inventory and ppl complained so that it was dumbed down to much could change outfits when u wanted or squads I didn't buy it just because of that, but for me personally I like having a choice .

that is what it all comes down to on me1 we could equip what we wanted now in me2 and possibly me3 its what bw wants that freedom of equiping what you want has been taken away, for most people the freedom to equip any weaopn/armor is what rpg is all about. their problem is they took it out completly.

Your right , but I hope they atleast give us the opt. to equip armor parts to squad mates, as far as Liara alternate outfit maybe its suppose to match her shadow broker troops. . . Lol
But seriously I would have like to ses her in the opposite of her wht/blue uniform , maybe a stealthy outfite. Black and grays maybe , biotic ninja , or like Moriths outfit . . . Just a thought but I'm wishing for armor interchangeable pcs like we have for Shepard

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Xeranx wrote...

My response in bold was in response to your assertion that we don't really know Ashley.  I was countering that idea.  To discuss anything about how she thnks men are the same is to take the thread off-topic so I won't do it.  I will mention that disdain was the wrong word to use where it was she sounded more disappointed in the whole matter.

Your counter provided another reason for Ashley to spruce herself up a bit for seeing Shepard again.

Not being able to take Casey's word...if he didn't come across as being duplicitous there would be no worries.  It was him that said "everyone" likes the mining mini-game.  He had hand-waved many things that people brought up here and said everyone supports what he was talking about when that was clearly NOT the case.  When you pull stunts like that you should be prepared for people to second-guess you.  If you do it repeatedly you should KNOW that people will take what you say with a grain of salt every time.  

Like it or not, Casey's the one that 'okays' things in Mass Effect 3.  So he's the best source you're going to get outside of the actual game.

So it's not about being rational when you're asking someone to take on faith something said by someone who obfuscates the truth and then seems to try to placate people with words and offers nothing concrete.  Actually it would be completely irrational to trust a word from that person.  As I mentioned earlier, knowing that what we saw was a re-color of what Ashley wore in the E3 video, is it irrational to assume that what we were presented with is her main outfit for the whole game?  I mean, quite a lot of people thought many of us were being irrational when we said she was wearing heels and people were equating her shoes to regular running shoes and then we get this image.  Where were those people this time around?

As for wearing armor 24/7, where did I say she should be wearing armor 24/7?  I gave you instances of 4 out of 7 people not wearing armor on the ship and you're reiterating my argument to me for what reason?  Yet it seems like you're calling to question my logic, and my ability to be rational.

What he said seemed pretty clear... she'll have armor and helmet.  He even asked if fans wanted to see an image of Ashley in armor (which indicates we haven't seen it yet).  Plus the fact that we know for certain that we haven't seen the helmet.

I can understand why you've drawn the conclusion you have, but Bioware is intentionally not showing much other than what was available at E3 because that's just how they've handled media releases.  Over time, more would be shown, but we've never had a full-body shot of E3 Ashley until now.

So we're still left with you not believing it until it's in your hands.  Who's to say that Casey is being truthful by showing you anything? 

It's fine if you don't want to believe Casey... but do remember what his job on this project is.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

"We've only showed her in a jacket outfit & its CE variant. She will also have full armor and helmet." -Casey Hudson

[ramdog7]

Icinix wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

and at the end of the day.........ITS JUST A GAME!!!!

For you maybe.


You might have a life, might live in a populated area that has good internet and lots of things to do.

Me - I live in the middle of Australia.

You know whats in the middle of Australia?

NOTHING!

My internet is trained lizards banging rocks together down a rusty wire to send the signal.

You know what I've got to do out here?

ZIP!

So for you its a game - but for me - its my entire release from this wall-less prison of dirt!

*runs crying from thread*

ohh didnt mean it like that but damn if your for reals than that sux but belive me when i tell you i live in a small town there is nothing to do here either.....but my comment was more of  joke

[ramdog7]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

"We've only showed her in a jacket outfit & its CE variant. She will also have full armor and helmet." -Casey Hudson

 
So in other words military jacket and armor

Modifié par ramdog7, 07 juillet 2011 - 09:57 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

iakus wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Seriously... there is nothing wrong with that suit.  Shepard has worn things far more revealing.

Yes.

But generally speaking, not while getting shot at 

She could fight in that suit... but it's not as protective as a suit of armor would be (naturally).  There's details that suggest practical functions are available for wearing that though.

Plus, we already know she'll have full armor and helmet... and this isn't it.

iakus wrote...
But the entire ME2 squad (save Shepard) did wear their armor, or what passed for armor with them, 24/7.

So that, plus we have no clue what this "armor" is going to look like (though at this point we've seen a demo, an AAP picture and a concept art in a magazine showing off her "casual" looks so far) has some folks just a little nervous.  I'd say there's good reason to be until we see what Ashley will look like on a combat mission.

I understand the nervousness, but when it's been put to rest through armor confirmation (with helmet), then it should be a point that's over with and we should just be looking forward to seeing her in the full gear.

Additionally, your squad in ME2 were all wild cards that did things their own way.  They were all unconventional (Cerberus itself is unconventional).

Garrus and Wrex/Grunt never had casual clothes (even in Mass Effect 1) while Ashley did.

I think the circumstance will dictate what she wears in any given combat scenario... but the E3 footage wasn't a break from character.

[the_one_54321]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Well, I will say again as I said in the last thread that anyone that thinks the armor in the game exists for any reason other than to look cool is only fooling themselves. Even the lore and execution within the game does very very little to suggest that armor actually acomplishes anything at all.

Which is why, for the most part, I don't really care what the characters wear or don't wear so long as it maintains some for of consistency with the way the ME universe is supposed to work.

[Ryzaki]

ramdog7 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

"We've only showed her in a jacket outfit & its CE variant. She will also have full armor and helmet." -Casey Hudson

 
So in other words military jacket and armor

 

I hope that means Shep gets something similar. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ryzaki wrote...

ramdog7 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

"We've only showed her in a jacket outfit & its CE variant. She will also have full armor and helmet." -Casey Hudson

 
So in other words military jacket and armor

 

I hope that means Shep gets something similar. 

He had it in ME2... pretty much.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
He had it in ME2... pretty much.

 

Shep couldn't go into combat in anything other than full armor in ME2. 

If he can go into combat in a suit jacket in ME3 I'll be pleased. My adept has biotic barriers anyway. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
He had it in ME2... pretty much.

 

Shep couldn't go into combat in anything other than full armor in ME2. 

If he can go into combat in a suit jacket in ME3 I'll be pleased. My adept has biotic barriers anyway. 

In the DLC he could fight without wearing armor.  (Kasumi comes to mind right now)

[crimzontearz]

that spectre Ash concept art is more than acceptable.

I'd have 0 problems with her wearing that in combat

[Ryzaki]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

In the DLC he could fight without wearing armor.  (Kasumi comes to mind right now)

 

For a whooping battle (or three if you didn't bother to be stealthy). And only with a pistol as a weapon. 

Not to mention only against at most 3 opponents at a time. (last I checked). 

If I can do something like that with all my weapons all ME3 I'll be pleased.