Tyron-Imp is going to be playing this game, so is his brother. At least that I've come to understand.
Great to see a person of age taken an interest in what the younger generations play.
Also about the age gate, I think, it was just for the old DA: forums?
How Mature is this game?
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 04:46
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Davidolowich wrote...
Uhm... Yeah, I'm 15, and my parents are buying this game for me, I've been playing "mature" games since I was like 10. I doubt they give a crap what I'm playing as long as I don't jump out the window screaming "For Ferelden!".
I guess I am the chosen one who can play games without thinking it's the real world, but sure, I've seen some weak minded people of my age, but they are kinda too "cool" to go playing games, because they are busy drinking and playing Farmville while uploading pictures to facebook.
Back to topic, let him play the game!
I see your point. I think playing a game like Dragon Age with a rich story and where you actually have to THINK is much better than him sitting on Facebook typing "I am bored out of my mind LOL" all day.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 04:48
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@Tyrion-Imp
Mate their is only one question: can your little brother separate the game from reality?
If he cannot then don't let him play any game where he can imagine he is someone else. If he can that he can easily play this with max violence settings on.
Mate their is only one question: can your little brother separate the game from reality?
If he cannot then don't let him play any game where he can imagine he is someone else. If he can that he can easily play this with max violence settings on.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 04:49
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When I was 14, these were games illegal to be sold/given to me (in Germany...)
Violence: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie] Politics: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie] Sex:
Societies change, boobs are no issue anymore, and there is much more tolerance to violence, sooner or later times in the US will change as well.
As for the topic:
To us kids, the ban actually was a quality badge, regardless how stupid the game was, It was forbidden and thus it was interesting. (And of course we weren't able to *buy* those games...)
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Violence: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie] Politics: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie] Sex:
Societies change, boobs are no issue anymore, and there is much more tolerance to violence, sooner or later times in the US will change as well.
As for the topic:
To us kids, the ban actually was a quality badge, regardless how stupid the game was, It was forbidden and thus it was interesting. (And of course we weren't able to *buy* those games...)
:innocent:
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 04:50
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Tyrion-Imp wrote...
Davidolowich wrote...
Uhm... Yeah, I'm 15, and my parents are buying this game for me, I've been playing "mature" games since I was like 10. I doubt they give a crap what I'm playing as long as I don't jump out the window screaming "For Ferelden!".
I guess I am the chosen one who can play games without thinking it's the real world, but sure, I've seen some weak minded people of my age, but they are kinda too "cool" to go playing games, because they are busy drinking and playing Farmville while uploading pictures to facebook.
Back to topic, let him play the game!
I see your point. I think playing a game like Dragon Age with a rich story and where you actually have to THINK is much better than him sitting on Facebook typing "I am bored out of my mind LOL" all day.
Or worse yet. Becoming a MALL RAT. That's my biggest fear. You know the kind....walking from one side of the mall to the other trying to act cool....
Parents are happy because they just drop them off at the mall and they take care of themselves....so sad
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 04:55
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J.O.G wrote...
When I was 14, these were games illegal to be sold/given to me (in Germany...)
Violence: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/ninja.png[/smilie] Politics: [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie] Sex:
Societies change, boobs are no issue anymore, and there is much more tolerance to violence, sooner or later times in the US will change as well.
As for the topic:
To us kids, the ban actually was a quality badge, regardless how stupid the game was, It was forbidden and thus it was interesting. (And of course we weren't able to *buy* those games...)
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Another rule I've found that applies to most games are; The higher PEGI-rating, the better the graphics are.
Remember, I said most games.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 05:17
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I'm happy you're looking out for your little brother but if you bothered to just glance at the ESRB you'd have your answer clear as day.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 05:37
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Now I'm curious! What sort of "tough moral decision" is there to be had in the sacred ashes trailer?
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 05:40
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Tyrion-Imp wrote...
I am 27 years old and my brother is 14. I am trying to see how Mature is this game and to see if he will be able to play it. My parents and I started letting my brother play a few mature games but it strongly depends on how mature is it. For example we let him play Assassin's Creed (no swearing, no over-the-top gore, no strong sexual content). He also could play Metal Gear Solid 4 and he plays a bit of Call of Duty. We also let him play Fable but I told him he can't get married haha. On the other hand, we do NOT let him play Grand Theft Auto, Killzone, the WItcher or similar games. (Swearing every other word, and very strong sexual content in The Witcher especially).
Give me a friggen break, dude. I was playing mortal kombat when I was 4. This kind of isolation from the real world is what makes kids more vulnerable to it in the first place.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 05:44
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14 and you're worrying about what he can and can't watch/play? I think there are far greater things to worry about in this world than movie or game content. IMHO, of course, but still.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 06:06
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While you may be sheltering him way to much.. I mean your naive to think he isn't doing the things your trying to shelter him from when your not around, i mean what 14 year old male hasn't watched porn in this day and age?
But anyways, just play through it as already mentioned first. If you find something that you think is objectionable then don't let him play it, or since your will supervising him and if it's only small areas, just guide him around it.
But anyways, just play through it as already mentioned first. If you find something that you think is objectionable then don't let him play it, or since your will supervising him and if it's only small areas, just guide him around it.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 06:10
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ngen wrote...
14 and you are concerned about sexual themes - but violence is okey
Have a gun, but dont you dare buy condoms.
Yeah killing a couple of people is ok but sex is no no! ;D
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 06:16
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You mention he can watch PG 13 movies, but not porn. How about rated R movies? Because that's about what level this game is. If however you didn't think Witcher was appropriate, I doubt you'll find this game much more appropriate. I think Bioware will probably handle sex more tastefully and include emotion into the equation.. But the Mature content is still there.
The whole sex thing in the Witcher was a bit overdone even for me.. Nothing against gratuitous sex here, but it almost seemed like the point was to sleep with as many people as possible. Again I'm not a prude, but aside from the hookers, if I'm going to be able to sleep with someone, I'd like having a relationship with the person to at least be a possibility. I actually liked the cussing though. I thought it very well done, really made the slums come alive for me.
On an aside, and I don't mean this as a personal attack. I don't understand this overly controlling attitude that seems somewhat prevalent in American society. I mean, the most warped and twisted individuals we've produced have been products of overly sheltering/controlling attitude. I'm not saying everyone who tries to protect their children ends up twisting them. But I think there is a line you can't cross when it comes to inhibiting behavior, before the inhibition does start to wreak havoc on a psyche... I mean, sex is pretty much hardwired into us. It does no good to fight urges, it only causes a sense of shame. Acceptance and Understanding is a much better tool.
From the sounds of things, you seem more like you're into helping your brother understand things, rather than keeping things from him, so I'm not directing this towards you. But I don't understand why so many people are into "protecting" their offspring from imagery and ideals, when they should be introducing all these things and explaining them so that they don't have to figure it all out on their own or feel shame about it.
What I really don't understand though, is the world in which sex (even lewd) is less acceptable than taking life. So often when conservative friends/relatives have asked me about a movie being okay to watch, I'll say "Well it is pretty violent", and they'll end up saying something like.. "Oh, that's okay so long as it doesn't have any nudity.".. It blows me away that taking life is more acceptable than looking at naked body.
The whole sex thing in the Witcher was a bit overdone even for me.. Nothing against gratuitous sex here, but it almost seemed like the point was to sleep with as many people as possible. Again I'm not a prude, but aside from the hookers, if I'm going to be able to sleep with someone, I'd like having a relationship with the person to at least be a possibility. I actually liked the cussing though. I thought it very well done, really made the slums come alive for me.
On an aside, and I don't mean this as a personal attack. I don't understand this overly controlling attitude that seems somewhat prevalent in American society. I mean, the most warped and twisted individuals we've produced have been products of overly sheltering/controlling attitude. I'm not saying everyone who tries to protect their children ends up twisting them. But I think there is a line you can't cross when it comes to inhibiting behavior, before the inhibition does start to wreak havoc on a psyche... I mean, sex is pretty much hardwired into us. It does no good to fight urges, it only causes a sense of shame. Acceptance and Understanding is a much better tool.
From the sounds of things, you seem more like you're into helping your brother understand things, rather than keeping things from him, so I'm not directing this towards you. But I don't understand why so many people are into "protecting" their offspring from imagery and ideals, when they should be introducing all these things and explaining them so that they don't have to figure it all out on their own or feel shame about it.
What I really don't understand though, is the world in which sex (even lewd) is less acceptable than taking life. So often when conservative friends/relatives have asked me about a movie being okay to watch, I'll say "Well it is pretty violent", and they'll end up saying something like.. "Oh, that's okay so long as it doesn't have any nudity.".. It blows me away that taking life is more acceptable than looking at naked body.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 06:27
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Tiskenburdle wrote...
You mention he can watch PG 13 movies, but not porn. How about rated R movies? Because that's about what level this game is. If however you didn't think Witcher was appropriate, I doubt you'll find this game much more appropriate. I think Bioware will probably handle sex more tastefully and include emotion into the equation.. But the Mature content is still there.
The whole sex thing in the Witcher was a bit overdone even for me.. Nothing against gratuitous sex here, but it almost seemed like the point was to sleep with as many people as possible. Again I'm not a prude, but aside from the hookers, if I'm going to be able to sleep with someone, I'd like having a relationship with the person to at least be a possibility. I actually liked the cussing though. I thought it very well done, really made the slums come alive for me.
On an aside, and I don't mean this as a personal attack. I don't understand this overly controlling attitude that seems somewhat prevalent in American society. I mean, the most warped and twisted individuals we've produced have been products of overly sheltering/controlling attitude. I'm not saying everyone who tries to protect their children ends up twisting them. But I think there is a line you can't cross when it comes to inhibiting behavior, before the inhibition does start to wreak havoc on a psyche... I mean, sex is pretty much hardwired into us. It does no good to fight urges, it only causes a sense of shame. Acceptance and Understanding is a much better tool.
From the sounds of things, you seem more like you're into helping your brother understand things, rather than keeping things from him, so I'm not directing this towards you. But I don't understand why so many people are into "protecting" their offspring from imagery and ideals, when they should be introducing all these things and explaining them so that they don't have to figure it all out on their own or feel shame about it.
What I really don't understand though, is the world in which sex (even lewd) is less acceptable than taking life. So often when conservative friends/relatives have asked me about a movie being okay to watch, I'll say "Well it is pretty violent", and they'll end up saying something like.. "Oh, that's okay so long as it doesn't have any nudity.".. It blows me away that taking life is more acceptable than looking at naked body.
Very well put. And I totally agree.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 07:08
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I think it's commendable that the OP is taking an interest in their younger sibling's pasttimes. However, I agree with several other posters that this isn't the place to ask. No one here is equipped to answer your question. But, a 3 minute google to the ESRB site would have answered all of your questions. Otherwise, you have access to the same promo info that everyone else does. If it's sex you're worried about, the sex scenes look about as racy as something you'd see on Days of our Lives.
And to the other thread posters digging on this guy about the sex/violence thing: it's pretty obvious that sex wasn't his only concern. He explicitly states that he's bothered about violence, for example, the slashing of the merchant's throat. Leave him alone.
If I may assume the liberty of commenting on the topic of youth censorship? I would suggest that censoring certain games/books/movies, etc from youth may not be the most productive policy for guiding adolescents. Censorship creates taboos that emphasize the importance of certain topics which shouldn't be emphasized. Sex and violence aren't that important.
Funny enough, I remember my mother not letting me watch ALF when I was really little (I still don't understand...) However, any information censorship ended around the age I hit double digits. In that open information environment, at the age of twelve I took the opportunity to, of course, read Vonnegut, Marx, Cleaver, Hemingway, Orwell, and Joyce. It was smart parenting - my folks used the "reverse taboo effect" - I essentially read anything that was on my middle school library's banned books list.
Would you deny Ulysses to your brother because of sex? A Farewell to Arms because it has cussing?
Don't get me wrong, I played a lot of video games too. I can remember a rather uncomfortable conversation with my mother at the age of 11 when I was playing Leisure Suit Larry and asked her what spanish fly did. It's wrong to drug a woman and have sex with her, right? Most people know that, but I'm guessing they didn't have THIS specific conversation with their mother. However, I'd hazard a guess that there'd be lot less daterape in the world if there were more awkward conversations.
Finally, I'm assuming that you're planning on playing this game - right? You're seriously going to play it and then suggest to your parents that they ban it from your brother? I can't think of any way to create a greater taboo. If you tell him no and he wants to play it anyways, one way or another, he's going to play it. And he's going to play it looking for things that got it banned from him. He's going to look at the violence and see the same things he sees in COD. Do you really wanna emphasize some pattycake groping in underwear as something horribly taboo in your brother's young mind?
And to the other thread posters digging on this guy about the sex/violence thing: it's pretty obvious that sex wasn't his only concern. He explicitly states that he's bothered about violence, for example, the slashing of the merchant's throat. Leave him alone.
If I may assume the liberty of commenting on the topic of youth censorship? I would suggest that censoring certain games/books/movies, etc from youth may not be the most productive policy for guiding adolescents. Censorship creates taboos that emphasize the importance of certain topics which shouldn't be emphasized. Sex and violence aren't that important.
Funny enough, I remember my mother not letting me watch ALF when I was really little (I still don't understand...) However, any information censorship ended around the age I hit double digits. In that open information environment, at the age of twelve I took the opportunity to, of course, read Vonnegut, Marx, Cleaver, Hemingway, Orwell, and Joyce. It was smart parenting - my folks used the "reverse taboo effect" - I essentially read anything that was on my middle school library's banned books list.
Would you deny Ulysses to your brother because of sex? A Farewell to Arms because it has cussing?
Don't get me wrong, I played a lot of video games too. I can remember a rather uncomfortable conversation with my mother at the age of 11 when I was playing Leisure Suit Larry and asked her what spanish fly did. It's wrong to drug a woman and have sex with her, right? Most people know that, but I'm guessing they didn't have THIS specific conversation with their mother. However, I'd hazard a guess that there'd be lot less daterape in the world if there were more awkward conversations.
Finally, I'm assuming that you're planning on playing this game - right? You're seriously going to play it and then suggest to your parents that they ban it from your brother? I can't think of any way to create a greater taboo. If you tell him no and he wants to play it anyways, one way or another, he's going to play it. And he's going to play it looking for things that got it banned from him. He's going to look at the violence and see the same things he sees in COD. Do you really wanna emphasize some pattycake groping in underwear as something horribly taboo in your brother's young mind?
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 07:36
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I remember letting my little brother(13 or 14 at the time) play Fable. I thought, hey even if he gets marries its just giggling black screen which isnt nearly as bad as sleeping next room over from your parents when theyre having sex.
He ended up playing a man and married another man and had gay sex(that wasnt the problem), and then killing his husband for having sex with him because aparently he didnt actually want to be "gay".
He ended up playing a man and married another man and had gay sex(that wasnt the problem), and then killing his husband for having sex with him because aparently he didnt actually want to be "gay".
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 07:52
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That sounds like a terrific opportunity to talk to your younger brother about tolerance.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:03
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Achromatis wrote...
I remember letting my little brother(13 or 14 at the time) play Fable. I thought, hey even if he gets marries its just giggling black screen which isnt nearly as bad as sleeping next room over from your parents when theyre having sex.
He ended up playing a man and married another man and had gay sex(that wasnt the problem), and then killing his husband for having sex with him because aparently he didnt actually want to be "gay".
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:06
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Kid's not going to be ruined by seeing a bit of blood or a partial ******. At 14 he should already be familiar with these things.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:13
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Achromatis wrote...
I remember letting my little brother(13 or 14 at the time) play Fable. I thought, hey even if he gets marries its just giggling black screen which isnt nearly as bad as sleeping next room over from your parents when theyre having sex.
He ended up playing a man and married another man and had gay sex(that wasnt the problem), and then killing his husband for having sex with him because aparently he didnt actually want to be "gay".
LOOL better warn Zevran of your lil brother then
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:16
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kid's 14, unless he's Amish then between the internet and tv he'll have seen it before.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:27
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Guy4142 wrote...
I don't think your allowed on these forums...
Neither am I, but I don't see anybody suing.
He's 14, he's a boy, he'll enjoy DA:O and won't murder you, and your family as a result, so what's your beef?
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:29
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I think it's great to see parents (and older sibs) taking the responsibility, and time, to talk to a kid. A lot of the nasty stuff - and the sexual stuff - in this game is a consequence of your own choices. If play is going to be supervised, good for you, good luck, and I think you will be okay whatever happens.
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Posté 31 octobre 2009 - 08:36
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I find it hilarious that people consider sex and swearing worse than murder. It's okay to play an assassin, but not somebody who gets jiggy. Nice.
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SheffSteel wrote...
I think it's great to see parents (and older sibs) taking the responsibility, and time, to talk to a kid. A lot of the nasty stuff - and the sexual stuff - in this game is a consequence of your own choices. If play is going to be supervised, good for you, good luck, and I think you will be okay whatever happens.
Supervise him playing all the time, and you can just ask him to hand in his balls, and get the immasculating over with.
