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[Korva]

Everyone ragging on the OP: leave him alone. It's good, laudable and not as common as it damn well should be that family members actually take a responsible interest in their minor family members. That isn't "censorship", it's called "parenting". If he was such an evil oppressive, smothing control-freak, he would not even consider letting the kid play such games, or any games, not even with supervision.

That doesn't mean minors should be hog-tied and made to wear blinders and kept miles away from anything that's even potentially upsetting, of course. But the OP isn't doing that. He's doing what every family member should do when they are considering to let their younger sibling or child have access to rated entertainment: seek information about it. It's sad when parents just buy all sorts of crap for their kids without having the foggiest clue about the contents, without talking to them about it -- without, essentially, taking an interest in their own children. It doesn't always lead to problems, but it can.

That said, I have neither kids nor younger siblings, nor do I want to. So I have no idea what I'd consider "appropriate". It's likely best, as others have said, to first play the game yourself to get your own impression since you know your brother, unlike everyone else here. What affects him? What doesn't? What does he think about copious amounts of gore -- at that age, if he likes stories and is smart, he likely realizes how silly and over the top it is?

[Davidolowich]

I know for a fact that if I were 14 years old, I wouldn't want my parents staring over my shoulder saying:



"Yeah, slay those evil monsters! Oh my god! There's a girl in her underwear on the screen! Can you kill her too?"



"No, dad."



"Oh, then go to your room and stay there! You're grounded, mister!"

[Darpaek]

You're wrong. Banning exposure for young people to parts of the world IS "censorship". Walking with them through this world is "parenting".



Your post sets up this fallacious dichotomy: control-freak ban versus happy-go-lucky-ignorance. There's a happy medium - and the OP is really close to it. He's willing to put in the effort on behalf of his younger sibling, he just needs to take that extra step and admit that he can't tell a 14 year old kid not to play a game/read a book/watch a movie if that 14 year old kid gets it in their head that they want to engage in that activity. And even attempting to do so artificially inflates the emphasis that activity has on the youngster.



Nobody's saying he should watch porn and drink beer with his 14 year old sibling, but if the 14 year old decides to engage in these activities, effective rolemodels and parents need to have an environment where they can talk about the activity and put it within the context of acceptability and standards that the family wishes to uphold.

[Renfearce]

imo i think you should play it see it for what its worth if you really thinks its gruesome and bad, woah dont buy it!

but! if you think your brother is a mature enough guy (emphasis on enough!) let him play it and tell him the bits that you worry about, i guess he's old enough now to understand why your doing this and he doesnt throw a temper tantrum and doesnt do it to impress anyone, then allow him to play it as long as he wants the game for what it is , a great story,great combat, great world; and not just a "OMG bloodfest?!" oh and make sure you ask his own view on whats good and bad in games and why he thinks that he should have it. if he gives you what you think is a good enough answer and it shows his maturity let him have it

[ForsakenProphet]

Chances are your brother, at age 14, as seen worse. Unless he lives under incredibly strict parents and has no friends. An average PG-13 or R action movie has a similar level of violence and"partial nudity". I was playing Diablo, the original GTA, and many other violent games at 14 and turned out fine.



In fact, many think that violence is an integral part of growing up. A great layman book about the subject is Killing Monsters: Why Children Need Fantasy, Super Heroes, and Make-Believe Violence. I'd say let your brother play if he's just an average 14 year old. It really won't any harm.

[Valamyr]

My personal opinion.. 14 years old is old enough to handle any digital content, at least in real life. These review boards who stamp mandatory ages on stuff must be from a different planet. Im 27, and I since Im about 10 or maybe 11, Ive played the bloodiest games there are, Ive watched the hardest porn, and Ive always been able to deal with it just fine. I just dont see that a 14 year old has to be protected from red pixels on a computer screen. Nowadays 14 y/o are expected to behave like young adults, and as far as Im concerned, they deserve some of the perks.

[RomperStomper]

omg, main stream media has really put the kibosh on reasonable young people playing mature games as a result of the actions of mentally unstable people who did some crazy stuff and happened to play video games.



i would say that with the amount of involvement the kids big bro and rents are taking in his game playing he wd to ould be more pre-disposebeing a well rounded individual than an unstable high-school gunslinger regardless of the games he plays.



but then again, i grew up playing with toy guns, so what do i know.

[cyvaris]

Okay so I have a question. I am of age to play this, but the gore annoys me. I have seen to very contradictory posts.

1.) Gore can be turned off almost completely

2.) You can only turn off the gore splatters on your armor



Which is right? Or is there some happy medium in between?

[Darpaek]

There was a thread on the frontpage as you posted your question that confirmed both of those gore options were in the game.

[Eshaye]

cyvaris wrote...

Okay so I have a question. I am of age to play this, but the gore annoys me. I have seen to very contradictory posts.
1.) Gore can be turned off almost completely
2.) You can only turn off the gore splatters on your armor

Which is right? Or is there some happy medium in between?

I think the answer is you can turn off or lessen the blood gushing out of things (people) in normal gameplay, but you cannot turn off the blood splatter on your amor or the blood in the cut scenes. 


As for why I think this game is better for a 16 year old and not someone younger it would be because of the violence, and not just the blood by itself but the sheer depiction of violence period. But honestly play the game first and decide you think your brother can handle it or not, you know him better then we do. :happy:

Modifié par Eshaye, 31 octobre 2009 - 11:07 .

[Chikkenstorm]

Korva wrote...

Everyone ragging on the OP: leave him alone. It's good, laudable and not as common as it damn well should be that family members actually take a responsible interest in their minor family members. That isn't "censorship", it's called "parenting". If he was such an evil oppressive, smothing control-freak, he would not even consider letting the kid play such games, or any games, not even with supervision.

That doesn't mean minors should be hog-tied and made to wear blinders and kept miles away from anything that's even potentially upsetting, of course. But the OP isn't doing that. He's doing what every family member should do when they are considering to let their younger sibling or child have access to rated entertainment: seek information about it. It's sad when parents just buy all sorts of crap for their kids without having the foggiest clue about the contents, without talking to them about it -- without, essentially, taking an interest in their own children. It doesn't always lead to problems, but it can.

That said, I have neither kids nor younger siblings, nor do I want to. So I have no idea what I'd consider "appropriate". It's likely best, as others have said, to first play the game yourself to get your own impression since you know your brother, unlike everyone else here. What affects him? What doesn't? What does he think about copious amounts of gore -- at that age, if he likes stories and is smart, he likely realizes how silly and over the top it is?

Amen.

About the blood: Reviewers said that you could only turn off the blood that sticks to your armour. So my money is on that, although I know reviewers most of the time don't get the retail version.

[McAdams]

I am expecting the game to be graphically on the tame side. Most of the more mature content I suspect will be more of a suggestive nature

[Chikkenstorm]

And probably the fact that you have to decide on whom you're comitting genocide... Hope I didn't spoil too much for anyone with that. Else, sorry,

[Shadow_Viper]

OswaldCash wrote...

Tyrion-Imp wrote...

I am 27 years old and my brother is 14. I am trying to see how Mature is this game and to see if he will be able to play it. My parents and I started letting my brother play a few mature games but it strongly depends on how mature is it. For example we let him play Assassin's Creed (no swearing, no over-the-top gore, no strong sexual content). He also could play Metal Gear Solid 4 and he plays a bit of Call of Duty. We also let him play Fable but I told him he can't get married haha. On the other hand, we do NOT let him play Grand Theft Auto, Killzone, the WItcher or similar games. (Swearing every other word, and very strong sexual content in The Witcher especially).

Therefore, I am trying to see how bad is this game? I know there is lots of blood and it stays on the armor but it doesn't seem from the trailers that there is any over-the-top gore especially against humans. Also, the graphics are not as realistic as other games so it makes it better. Also, killing darkspaws is not as bad I guess. How about swearing? I haven't seen anything in the trailers. There is talk of ale and drinking but that's fine. And finally, how nude and sexual are the romance scenes? Does the game show a lot of it or is implied and then the screen just fades or camera is obscured?

Also, are there any settings that can tone down blood?

Keep in mind that if we let him play this game he will be supervised. So he will not be just sitting at home alone playing this thing. I will also be playing the game so if I see something I will make him skip it or not let him play.

He is really into fantasy games and RPGs and he reads a lot of fantasy novels so I really want him to play this game. Looks like the story is top notch.

Thanks for all the input.

Maybe someone from Bioware can comment on this as they know the game in and out.

Omg, how can people be such jerks?? 14 year and you can let him see gore, lol. Mb you also wouldn't let him have sex with girls?? If not (seriously, if yes - you have kinda mental problems:pinched:), then why no to sex in VIDEOGAMES (its like ****ing cartoons man). 14 ain't no 7 zomg, even not 10. "Oh noes, it has blood/boobs/swearing, it's not for our precious sweety-sweety little boy". He's a young fella, not a kid, not a p_u_s_s_y (damn the forum's filter). And you're denying him all the fun. You'll end up growing a damn castrate:?. 

It's sad how some people lie on the forum's age-gate.

[Shadow_Viper]

Tankenminnet wrote...

Now I'm curious! What sort of "tough moral decision" is there to be had in the sacred ashes trailer?

I'm wondering this as well.

[JadeHand1]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

Tankenminnet wrote...

Now I'm curious! What sort of "tough moral decision" is there to be had in the sacred ashes trailer?

I'm wondering this as well.

the decisions are not in the trailer, but there is a review out there that describes the choices given and the conscequences of them when you go for the ashes in the game. It's spoiler heavy, but if you really want to read it you can track it down over at RPGamer.

[Azrailx]

wow, let him play it



maybe he will grow up then...

[Ub3r_]

i think its commendable that the OP is actually taking an interest in his younger sibling, its so easy these days to be detached from each other and just all around good parenting, i suggest you play the game for yourself, then determine if you think it is suitable, i would probably err on the side of it being ok for him, in Australia the game is rated at MA15+ so he would only be a year out (ironically we dont have an R18+ rating here, which is lame).



I think if he enjoys good fantasy stories and has a good head on his shoulders (doesn't go about pretending to be the hero from the game and hitting people with sticks an swords) then he will probably get far more out of this game than your average 14 year old who just likes all things blood and violence. He will be able to appreciate the whole game as an art form and not just see it as cheap thrills due to his basis in fantasy literature

[Mordaedil]

We need an age-gate again...

Okay, let's face it, he's going to probably going to play games that you can't control what he does in, but it's fine that you moderate what you buy for him and play with him.

It's like bringing up a board-game to play on family night, where you roll dice and try to have fun. So, this time you break out the bit nerdier thing, Dungeons and Dragons and all that and you create a pretty graphical world where bad stuff happens to good people etc etc. It'll probably not have a bad effect on him, despite the games rating.

What you don't do, is bring out the ******, lube and strawberries and suggest an intimate affair. That's something he should discover on his own and leave to his own devices.

What I'm trying to say is that as a rolemodel, you are sort of setting the borders on what is alright and acceptable. When he grows older, he can probably identify what is "private material" for himself, but if he's being presented outright porn, extremely graphic violence for sake of violence, then that's going to put the wrong impression on the dude. You don't want your older brother giving you porn, mmkay?

You don't know where it's been, after all.

OswaldCash wrote...

Omg, how can people be such
jerks?? 14 year and you can let him see gore, lol. Mb you also wouldn't
let him have sex with girls?? If not (seriously, if yes - you have
kinda mental problems[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]),
then why no to sex in VIDEOGAMES (its like ****ing cartoons man). 14
ain't no 7 zomg, even not 10. "Oh noes, it has blood/boobs/swearing,
it's not for our precious sweety-sweety little boy". He's a young
fella, not a kid, not a *** (damn the forum's filter). And you're
denying him all the fun. You'll end up growing a damn castrate[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]. 

Comments like this isn't helping and is just violenting several terms of agreement. You're bashing a poster, flaming his control manner, CIRCUMVENTING the swear filter just for the sake of it and trying to act like a moral compass that has north and south skewed. Well done. [smilie]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-golfclap.gif[/smilie]

I suggest the rest of you try to look at it from his point of view, he's not "prohibitng" his brother from access to any content, merely providing content and asking if this is still within his peramiter of appropriate.

As for sex, the legal age is depending on your country and I think only third world countries have the age below 14. It's not a good age to have sex at, nor one where you can appropriately judge the consequences of what you are doing. I should know. <_<

[casadechrisso]

To go back to the initial question and the comparison with The Witcher: If that one was a clear "no", I'd not give him DA:O to play.

There was a big fuzz about The Witcher and sexual content, but I think everyone who has played the game can agree that this content was quite modest, if not a little silly. There weren't even nipples in the US version, and even the uncensored european version wouldn't justify a 18+ rating in most european countries (although, as I was told, anything "nipple" is automatically 18+ in the US... *shrug* )

Anyway, besides the collecting of some mildly erotic cards in The Witcher, it seems to me that both games are on nearly the same level of adult content, I also had the impression that Bioware kept a keen eye on TW in the later stages of developing their game. DA:O looks even more bloody, so if the violence level matters, I'd give it a "no".



Of course I also played "adult" games when I was too young, and dare to say it did no lasting damage to me (well, it was rather pixelated stuff on an old Atari ST). However, that wasn't the question.