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Wouldn't the role of James be better served by a Raloi?


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So James Vega is supposed to be the character that a new Mass Effect player can relate to, as both would be unfamiliar with state of the galaxy and all the events that have transpired to lead up to the Reaper invasion. Having such a clueless character on your squad might be annoying to ME veterans, but if it is pulled off right it might be a pretty clever way to ease in new players and refresh the memories of everyone else.

The one thing that bugs me though is that from the images we have seen of him so far, he looks like a horribly generic human space marine. While it is impossible to tell for sure without seeing the character in action, and perhaps the writers will craft a brilliant and likable personality for Mr. Vega, his appearance alone smacks of generic meathead.

But if we look into the Mass Effect lore, I believe there is a more suitable candidate for the "clueless newcomer" character, and that would be a Raloi:


Cerberus Daily News
02/09/2010 - Raloi Welcomed to Citadel Space
“The Citadel Council welcomes the planet Turvess to the galactic community today. The planet's sentient species, the raloi, launched their first space telescope into orbit last year, which detected the presence of the asari cruiser Azedes. Tomorrow, visitors from all over the galaxy will land outside six cities on Turvess, bearing welcome wishes and gifts for the raloi. Tickets for the Council's sponsored ships have been sold out for months, and due to disease concerns, no other ships are legally allowed planetfall at that time. A comm buoy near Turvess will be dedicated to sending welcome messages to the planet for twenty galactic standard hours.”


02/18/2010 - Raloi Delegation Sent to Citadel
“Now that the celebrations on the planet Turvess have ended, a raloi delegation has been sent to the Citadel for a three-month stay. The delegation will be educated in intergalactic law, history, alien biology and culture, and the rudiments of mass effect physics. Due to an outbreak of the H7N7 flu virus that infected the avian raloi during the opening ceremonies on their planet, the raloi on the Citadel will wear environmental suits whenever they are in contact with an alien species.”



The Raloi were discovered in 2184, making them the newest kids on the galactic block. Their representatives are still probably being shuttled around the galaxy, learning about how things are done in Citadel space. With this in mind, wouldn't a Raloi squad member be more suitable to the "newcomer" role that James Vega is trying to fill? The Raloi are just getting their feet wet trying to understand galactic society, and they have no clue about the Reaper threat. I would wager that a lot of players would find a Raloi squad member much more interesting than the generic human space jock James might be. 

Think about it. The Reapers are also a threat to the Raloi race as well. Judging by the Cerberus Daily News article, it seems that they are technologically primitive compared to the rest of the races in the galaxy, since they just launched their first space teloscope. They would literally be sitting ducks (ha, they're avian!) for the Reapers, and would probably have no means of mounting a defense against them. 

This could lead to quite an interesting and deep character. Imagine a Raloi soldier/bodyguard for one of their delegations on a Council planet getting displaced by a Reaper attack (maybe they were on Earth, observing Shepard's trial as an example of galactic justice). They join up and fight for Shepard out of a deep sense duty to their people. Imagine if by circumstance, you were the only member of your entire race that was placed in a position of actually doing something about averting their extinction. The possibilities for a really deep and emotionally engaging character are everywhere. 

And on top of that, since the Raloi are galactic newbies, the character gets to ask all those illuminating questions that would ease in new players, because, naturally, they have no idea what is going on. Not to mention that the presence of a Raloi would serve to deepen the ME lore, and make the galaxy even richer, by introducing us all to a new species caught in a some very special circumstances.

What do you think? 

Modifié par phrizek, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:28 .


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nah, replace him with a Yahg.

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You have a point. Then again, how combat-able are raloi? And remember, squaddies need to be able to use the human skeleton in game for animations. Raloi might be smaller than humans and other species.

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Thats actually a decent point. With the Raloi being newbies and all that it would fit perfectly. Unless they are physically a lot different to us and the rest of the species. Theres no way BW would animate one for combat if its vastly different.

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Arcian wrote...

You have a point. Then again, how combat-able are raloi? And remember, squaddies need to be able to use the human skeleton in game for animations. Raloi might be smaller than humans and other species.


We know almost nothing about them. Bioware has free reign to make an interesting, combat capable species.

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We've only seen one definite image of Vega so far, and it was even deemed an unfinished placeholder by Mr. Hudson. You have a point with the Raloi, but I think we should wait and see as more info is released about Vega

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Arcian wrote...

You have a point. Then again, how combat-able are raloi? And remember, squaddies need to be able to use the human skeleton in game for animations. Raloi might be smaller than humans and other species.

A part of me feels that they were introduced to us in Cerberus News because they were meant to be one of the new main races. Yargh appear to pretty big but they got them to work. Hopefully raloi have a human skeleton so a raloi is possible.

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Not if he's also the "what the rest of the galaxy thought of Shepard up until ME3" role, too. Which would make sense.

I imagine Shepard is polarizing at best and thought of as a crazy man at worst to anyone not "in the know" for the events of ME1-2.

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Arken wrote...

Arcian wrote...

You have a point. Then again, how combat-able are raloi? And remember, squaddies need to be able to use the human skeleton in game for animations. Raloi might be smaller than humans and other species.

A part of me feels that they were introduced to us in Cerberus News because they were meant to be one of the new main races. Yargh appear to pretty big but they got them to work. Hopefully raloi have a human skeleton so a raloi is possible.


The Yahg worked like an YMIR mech. Slowly moving towards you as he fires his minigun. 

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They'd have to figure out how one ends up on Shepard's squad.

Since Vega is supposed to ask the "stupid" questions, I would assume he ends up on the squad fairly early. I can understand why a Raloi might be on Earth - getting to know the galaxy, etc - but it might be an awful coincidence for that Raloi to be combat capable, and to be in the right place at the right time to end up traveling with Shepard. I mean... Why would he/she even ask one to come with him?

Mind you, I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I can totally see where you're coming from, and I can see how it might be workable. I just think there's a lot that would need to be figured out. Vega might be simplier, if only because there are probably still fairly remote regions of Earth that don't keep up with the galactic scene very well.

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I made a post not long ago discussing things about the new species such as the Raloi, Yahg and Virtual Aliens. I have to admit, the possibilities with the Raloi could be great since this is a new race that Bioware can bring just about anything for them combat wise. As a new member for people just getting into the series, it might be interesting.

But I also want to point out that BW's reasoning for James Vega was to introduce a character that is human (like us), that might have been left in the dark about the truth about the Reaper threat (like every civilian and most foot soldiers who are only following orders). Honestly, people should give the guy a chance. Like it or not, he's still going to be in the game. And development isn't over. Though, I have to admit the armor from the exclusive pick did make him look bulky.

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No. We don't need any new races at this point. We need to finish developing the ones we have already.

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I was under the impression that Vega was written to help new players understand critical plot points like what are the reapers, who are cerberus etc etc. Where was it stated he would be clueless or ask stupid questions? I don't understand how that will help new players.

As for having a Raloi, I just think that would be an uneeded distraction at this point. It would actually be even more for a new player to learn about contradicting Vegas role. There is a lot of stuff to resolve and I would rather they do it well than leaving a lot of things unaswered or completed in an unfullfilling manner. Raloi can be explored more in future content.

Modifié par Malanek999, 05 juillet 2011 - 11:51 .


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Raloi would be available as squadmate in ME4,with new protagonist,Commander Reznov.

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Malanek999 wrote...

I was under the impression that Vega was written to help new players understand critical plot points like what are the reapers, who are cerberus etc etc. Where was it stated he would be clueless or ask stupid questions? I don't understand how that will help new players.


To my knowledge no one from Bioware ever said that.  They simply said Vega would resemble the new character to the series, but he is a seasoned soldier who has done his "tour of duty" etc.  Simply uninformed about some things or not used to how the galaxy largely works, not asking stupid questions or whatever.

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I think Mr. Hudson was trying to say that this is your NPC selection screen and they were testing the background with different colors on the characters and like say we wouldn't want Liara 's face to fade into the background and just be a set of eyes with red outfit. You wouldn't want the "metal" to be either super dark nor to bright in the background lightening. That is why this is not final outfits or faces. JMHO

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 "Little is known about the biology of the raloi except that they are avian in appearance. Due to an outbreak of an alien flu virus among the raloi during the ceremonies held to welcome them to the galactic community, the raloi have to wear environmental suits while in contact with other alien species."

Bird people?!
http://1.bp.blogspot...eres-bailar.jpg

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Upsettingshorts wrote...
I imagine Shepard is polarizing at best and thought of as a crazy man at worst to anyone not "in the know" for the events of ME1-2.


It's slightly off topic but I'm not convinced about this. I posted this in another thread. A lot depends on his actions but a Paragon shep may have
Stopped Saren
Saved the destiny ascension and the Citadel from a Geth attack
Saved colonies on Eden Prime, Horizon, Terra Nova, Watson, Sinmara and Feros!!!!! (this is staggering)
Stopped plague in Omega
Rescued workers from burning refinery
Saved the life of a Turian politician
Saved a group of forgotten and stranded crew from the Hugo Gernsback
Stopped a multitude of crime at the Citadel
Negotiated medical assistance for sick colonists
Saved a bunch of Salarains on Illium
Stopped that crashing ship
Shut down Blue Suns pirate base responsible for piracy and murder
Solved the murder of a volus on Illium and shut down a smuggling ring
Hunted down and brought an Ardat-Yaski (or whatever they are called) to justice
Recovered a major research ship to help ensure the survival of the Quarian migrant fleet

If paragon Shepard was greeted as a hero on the citadel. Shop owners were lining up for Shepard to endorse their goods which reflects a celebrity status. It's actually Shepards more murky dealings with Cerberus that "those in the know" would be unaware of.

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Oops sorry wrong thread I got called away and forgot I changed threads.

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This is the most amusingly bad idea I have heard in a long time, which is really saying something for BSN.

To recap: you think new players will be able to relate better to a bizarre space bird than a human soldier?

I can see the dialogue now. "Shepard! SQUAWK! Explain what we're doing here again? SQUAAWK!"

Seriously. Stupidest idea ever.

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JaceTAce wrote...

 Though, I have to admit the armor from the exclusive pick did make him look bulky.


I actually don't mind that too much. Everyone had the same build, it's nice to see some diversity. Shepard as a medium-build sort of guy is good, but I never really thought too imposing on the battlefield for some of the otehr aliens. Vega, on the other hand, he's a heavy hitter. And he's letting everyone know it. I like that. Not everyone on the team should be lean people.

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GunMoth wrote...

 "Little is known about the biology of the raloi except that they are avian in appearance. Due to an outbreak of an alien flu virus among the raloi during the ceremonies held to welcome them to the galactic community, the raloi have to wear environmental suits while in contact with other alien species."

Bird people?!
http://1.bp.blogspot...eres-bailar.jpg


I think you meant this:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian 

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VegasVance wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

 "Little is known about the biology of the raloi except that they are avian in appearance. Due to an outbreak of an alien flu virus among the raloi during the ceremonies held to welcome them to the galactic community, the raloi have to wear environmental suits while in contact with other alien species."

Bird people?!
http://1.bp.blogspot...eres-bailar.jpg


I think you meant this:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian 

Not sure what you mean.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Raloi

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Malanek999 wrote...

 It's actually Shepards more murky dealings with Cerberus that "those in the know" would be unaware of.


Except the trial - should one be taking place - would make that public.

As would, you know, the ship he flew around in with the logos of Cerberus painted on the side.

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GunMoth wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

 "Little is known about the biology of the raloi except that they are avian in appearance. Due to an outbreak of an alien flu virus among the raloi during the ceremonies held to welcome them to the galactic community, the raloi have to wear environmental suits while in contact with other alien species."

Bird people?!
http://1.bp.blogspot...eres-bailar.jpg


I think you meant this:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Quarian 

Not sure what you mean.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Raloi


>.> It's a joke about the Raloi being regurgitated quarians due to them needing envirosuits and having avain characteristics.  A mockery of how bioware is repeating itself in the same francise...