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[AngelicMachinery]

RPGamer13 wrote...

She doesn't need improvement in her personality.

If shr needs improvement on: it's to make it so she doesn't sag so much. I tinally realised my problem with the female charafter models in mass Effect: their chest is down to their stomachs. 2 inches up would be a huge improvement.

And they need to make it this time where if you're Renegade score is high enough, she won't be able to kill Shepard. It sounds like they hint to that possibility when Morinth said that, Shepard might be the one strong enough to survive, but that it wasn't the right time.

Do people actually think she means this?  She wants to fry your brain and eat your soul.  She's trying to make Shepard feel special, to warm up to her so she can get her next fix.

[Goneaviking]

thatguy212 wrote...

So alot of people dislike Morinth for obvious reasons, so what would be some ways to make her a more appealing character and not just some character you hate and choose to kill everytime? maybe something like making her into a more sympathetic character or have it so a paragon shepard would be able to help her learn to control her addiction to kill? what are some of the ideas you can think of?

If she wasn't a psycho killer?

If she was genuinely being persecuted for a genetic condition then she'd be more interesting, instead she's being chased because she's a genuinely bad person who enjoys killing people.  Or manipulating them to their own destruction.

[Goneaviking]

fenix8081 wrote...

@Franciscoamell

I'm glad someone else sees that. If anything saving Morinth seems paragon to me. She's hunted for who she is by a crazy powerful biotic. She doesn't want to live in a cage for the way she was born, so gaining power from her lovers is more survival really. I know not many people agree with me, but I think these two characters are tragic and warped in similar ways. That's why the clear
paragon/renegade point distribution seems to take away from that moral ambiguity.

Sometimes when everyone is telling you that you're wrong and she's no good for you, the best thing is to stay true and love her come what may. If you stick with her she'll get better, and everyone will see that she's really just misunderstood and noone ever gave her a chance.

But sometimes they're wright and she really is a vicious little skank who'll take you for all you have and then destroy you before moving on to her next victim.

You want a good survival trait for people on the run? Don't leave a trail of corpses behind you for your justicar mother to find you. No one made her keep running around destroying everyone who tries to get close to her; that was her choice and she made it knowing the consequences.

I feel sorry for Morinth's sisters who accepted that they couldn't go around bringing death to anyone who cared for them.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[KingNothing125]

The "not the right time" comment comes before the Suicide Mission, I believe, as she would probably rather not expose her cover (impersonating Samara) aboard the Normandy. She has no qualms about testing her "theory" after the mission is over, however, and surprise surprise, it ends with a dead Shep and a "Critical Mission Failure".

Whether Morinth actually believes Shep could handle it or if she is just manipulating Shep (again), that is potentially a subject for discussion.

[PseudoEthnic]

I like Morinth as is, but I would appreciate it if she had more of a personality beyond, "I'm evil." Her mother also needs work beyond being the paladin of the team.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Skirata129 wrote...

it would be interesting if she discovered a way to reproduce even though her mates still died. THAT would throw a whole new spin on her life. can you imagine a race of predators resembling sexy women that grow smarter and stronger with every person they sleep with and kill?

I don't think Ardat-Yakshi are capable of this baceause they take the traits that would go to their children and use them on themselves. That may be why Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...

Honestly, Morinth is kind of hilarious. She's built up as super-dangerous, then she starts talking about how she likes "dark places" and "dark music" and any ability to take her seriously disappears.

This.

[Repearized Miranda]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Who says she needs to improve? My Renegade psycho b¡tch Shepard LOVES Morinth. She's the only person she's loyal to other than herself. Only Morinth and Kasumi survived the Suicide Mission in that playthrough; The Butcher, The Killer, and The Thief.

So, maybe have her kill more people with asari mind voodoo?

Don't get me wrong "I" love morinth as she currently is but alot of people seem to hate her and refuse to recruit her on principle so i'm just trying to figure out what would make the general public like morinth better

It's the general public's loss,  don't change her simply in an attempt to increase her fan base.

Like they did with Ashley - in appearance for now anyway? That wasn't a snide towards her. Many just have that same sentiment.

[Zkyire]

franciscoamell wrote...

I think they overreacted when they gave us 40 renegade points for saving Morinth. My Shepards always save her, paragon or renegade, in my eyes she needed more help from Shep than her mom, after you help her she tells you that she never felt the love of a person for long, that is not her fault. She really did not commit any crimes aside from being born different, she is gorgeous and sad, if people could see her pain before knowing her as a psycho who kills people during sex just because it's fun, she'd have way more fans. I love her, she's my second favorite character and has the best voice actress in my opinion, she'd be great as a full love interest instead of a one-time-killing-fling, if Shepard survived after sleeping with her it'd be like their love made him/her live, might have been cheesy but it'd make me love her even more than I already do.

So, because serial killers are born wired wrong, we should give them a free pass for being crazy psychos? Doesn't matter how many people they brutally murder, they're "born different" so they go free.

[AngelicMachinery]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Who says she needs to improve? My Renegade psycho b¡tch Shepard LOVES Morinth. She's the only person she's loyal to other than herself. Only Morinth and Kasumi survived the Suicide Mission in that playthrough; The Butcher, The Killer, and The Thief.

So, maybe have her kill more people with asari mind voodoo?

Don't get me wrong "I" love morinth as she currently is but alot of people seem to hate her and refuse to recruit her on principle so i'm just trying to figure out what would make the general public like morinth better

It's the general public's loss,  don't change her simply in an attempt to increase her fan base.

Like they did with Ashley - in appearance for now anyway? That wasn't a snide towards her. Many just have that same sentiment.

Ashley's outfit is teh dumbz.  It clashes with her persona,  and hell if they want to further sex up Morinth go for it.  It would probably be difficult as she spends most of the game flitting around in Samara's gears. 

If they decided to either make her repentant (Yech)  or let people meld with her just because she's a hawt alien I'll be angry.  I like my untouchable monster,  she goes great with a renegade as long as the renegade realizes that she doesn't mean anything that she says. 

[Repearized Miranda]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Like they did with Ashley - in appearance for now anyway? That wasn't a snide towards her. Many just have that same sentiment.



Ashley's outfit is teh dumbz.  It clashes with her persona,  and hell if they want to further sex up Morinth go for it.  It would probably be difficult as she spends most of the game flitting around in Samara's gears. 

If they decided to either make her repentant (Yech)  or let people meld with her just because she's a hawt alien I'll be angry.  I like my untouchable monster,  she goes great with a renegade as long as the renegade realizes that she doesn't mean anything that she says.

I understand. I was just saying. I doubt they're finished with Ashley anyway, but her outfit as of "now", appears to irk a lot of people because due to the perceived "fan-base" approval notion. Some would be upset to if they "downgraded" Miranda, just to appease the "anti-Miranda" fan base.

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 06 juillet 2011 - 05:51 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Like they did with Ashley - in appearance for now anyway? That wasn't a snide towards her. Many just have that same sentiment.



Ashley's outfit is teh dumbz.  It clashes with her persona,  and hell if they want to further sex up Morinth go for it.  It would probably be difficult as she spends most of the game flitting around in Samara's gears. 

If they decided to either make her repentant (Yech)  or let people meld with her just because she's a hawt alien I'll be angry.  I like my untouchable monster,  she goes great with a renegade as long as the renegade realizes that she doesn't mean anything that she says.

I understand. I was just saying. I doubt they're finished with Ashley anyway, but her outfit as of "now", appears to irk a lot of people because due to the perceived "fan-base" approval notion. Some would be upset to if they "downgraded" Miranda, just to appease the "anti-Miranda" fan base.

Let me be honest here,  I'm not a big fan of ANY character having a huge change in personality simply to make them more popular.  Be it Miranda,  Garrus,  or Ashley.  I just want some constitency.  I'm not even sure if we're on to opposing sides of an argument or agreeing...  plz halp.

[Undead Han]

KingNothing125 wrote...

The "not the right time" comment comes before the Suicide Mission, I believe, as she would probably rather not expose her cover (impersonating Samara) aboard the Normandy. She has no qualms about testing her "theory" after the mission is over, however, and surprise surprise, it ends with a dead Shep and a "Critical Mission Failure".

Whether Morinth actually believes Shep could handle it or if she is just manipulating Shep (again), that is potentially a subject for discussion.

She is manipulating Shepard to get what she wants.

People don't survive 'mating' with an Ardat-Yakshi. She knows he can't survive the experience, but she doesn't care. She'll get off on it.

[Luvinn]

She specifically doesn't need a character improvement, but she does need more involvement. Aside from a few lines of dialogue and killing Shep with her mind, she really doesn't get much air time. I think if she had a specific loyalty mission where you get to see her past or something would do much in the overall improvement of her character. Make her into the tragic villain.

[Repearized Miranda]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Like they did with Ashley - in appearance for now anyway? That wasn't a snide towards her. Many just have that same sentiment.



Ashley's outfit is teh dumbz.  It clashes with her persona,  and hell if they want to further sex up Morinth go for it.  It would probably be difficult as she spends most of the game flitting around in Samara's gears. 

If they decided to either make her repentant (Yech)  or let people meld with her just because she's a hawt alien I'll be angry.  I like my untouchable monster,  she goes great with a renegade as long as the renegade realizes that she doesn't mean anything that she says.

I understand. I was just saying. I doubt they're finished with Ashley anyway, but her outfit as of "now", appears to irk a lot of people because due to the perceived "fan-base" approval notion. Some would be upset to if they "downgraded" Miranda, just to appease the "anti-Miranda" fan base.

Let me be honest here,  I'm not a big fan of ANY character having a huge change in personality simply to make them more popular.  Be it Miranda,  Garrus,  or Ashley.  I just want some constitency.  I'm not even sure if we're on to opposing sides of an argument or agreeing...  plz halp.

We're in agreement. I was just more or less saying that this is a two-way street.

[D.Kain]

Han Shot First wrote...


She is manipulating Shepard to get what she wants.

People don't survive 'mating' with an Ardat-Yakshi. She knows he can't survive the experience, but she doesn't care. She'll get off on it.

Sorry but this is silly, unless what she wants is to die. You do realise she will get killed right after Shepard dies right? So I do believe she thought that he would survive.

[AngelicMachinery]

D.Kain wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...


She is manipulating Shepard to get what she wants.

People don't survive 'mating' with an Ardat-Yakshi. She knows he can't survive the experience, but she doesn't care. She'll get off on it.

Sorry but this is silly, unless what she wants is to die. You do realise she will get killed right after Shepard dies right? So I do believe she thought that he would survive.

Addict's don't make the best descions...  she needs her fix,  and Shepard seems to Tasty.  She's a manipulator and an actress...  she seems very good at both it seems. 

[D.Kain]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Addict's don't make the best descions...  she needs her fix,  and Shepard seems to Tasty.  She's a manipulator and an actress...  she seems very good at both it seems. 

She wouldn't make it through her 400 years if she was so unable to control herself. Then again I can easily imagine her just lifting Shepard up with biotics and smacking him to the wall breaking some of his bones and then start torturing him until he gives up and mates with her, all of that happening in that room on Omega while Samara is dead on the floor. She didn't do that though. Even went on a freaking suicide mission, that deserves trust.

[AngelicMachinery]

D.Kain wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Addict's don't make the best descions...  she needs her fix,  and Shepard seems to Tasty.  She's a manipulator and an actress...  she seems very good at both it seems. 

She wouldn't make it through her 400 years if she was so unable to control herself. Then again I can easily imagine her just lifting Shepard up with biotics and smacking him to the wall breaking some of his bones and then start torturing him until he gives up and mates with her, all of that happening in that room on Omega while Samara is dead on the floor. She didn't do that though. Even went on a freaking suicide mission, that deserves trust.

I trust her,  don't get me wrong.  I trust her to fight for her survival,  too cooperate when it suits her,  and I trust her to indulge in her fix as soon as it's offered to her.  You really think that she think's Shepard has a chance to survive the process?  If you do,  your deluding yourself.

She's not a good person,  but,  being bad doesn''t make her any less awesome.  She wants to eat whatever passes as Shepard's soul and integrate her awesomeness with her own.

[D.Kain]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I trust her,  don't get me wrong.  I trust her to fight for her survival,  too cooperate when it suits her,  and I trust her to indulge in her fix as soon as it's offered to her.  You really think that she think's Shepard has a chance to survive the process?  If you do,  your deluding yourself.

She's not a good person,  but,  being bad doesn''t make her any less awesome.  She wants to eat whatever passes as Shepard's soul and integrate her awesomeness with her own.

I'm not saying she is a good person, but she is a greatful person. Shepard is probably the first uncharmed person that did something good for her out of his own will. I believe she can be a good friend.

What I'm also saying is that she had a chance to take Shepards soul when it was safe to do so and she didn't. Taking his soul now when it's not safe to do so anymore is a bit silly. An exeptional biotic like her doesn't need Shepards permission to take his soul while he is unarmored and has no guns. 

[AngelicMachinery]

D.Kain wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I trust her,  don't get me wrong.  I trust her to fight for her survival,  too cooperate when it suits her,  and I trust her to indulge in her fix as soon as it's offered to her.  You really think that she think's Shepard has a chance to survive the process?  If you do,  your deluding yourself.

She's not a good person,  but,  being bad doesn''t make her any less awesome.  She wants to eat whatever passes as Shepard's soul and integrate her awesomeness with her own.

I'm not saying she is a good person, but she is a greatful person. Shepard is probably the first uncharmed person that did something good for her out of his own will. I believe she can be a good friend.

What I'm also saying is that she had a chance to take Shepards soul when it was safe to do so and she didn't. Taking his soul now when it's not safe to do so anymore is a bit silly. An exeptional biotic like her doesn't need Shepards permission to take his soul while he is unarmored and has no guns. 

I've always assumed that the meld was required to be consentual,  you really can't force a person to open your mind up to them.  Hell maybe sexual arousal is the key to opening up to an asari Meld.  You WANT to think you / your shepard is special and She plays to that particular notion.  As for safety,  perhaps she assumes she is safe on the ship and doesn't care about the squad.