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[SpEcIaLRyAn]

I personally don't hate Morinth. Well maybe as a person I do but not as a character. It would have made a nice moral twist if Morinth were to only kill say criminals (something like Dexter except not as graphic). That way people would be a little more conflicted as to whether or not to kill her.

[D.Kain]

SpEcIaLRyAn wrote...

I personally don't hate Morinth. Well maybe as a person I do but not as a character. It would have made a nice moral twist if Morinth were to only kill say criminals (something like Dexter except not as graphic). That way people would be a little more conflicted as to whether or not to kill her.

Why do so many people care so much about how their friends or companions treat OTHER people? 

[Fidget6]

franciscoamell wrote...

Morinth had to run away from her home very young and keep living on the run so her mother wouldn't kill her, am I the only one who feels bad for her? That's trauma enough for one becoming a psychopath, I consider her more misunderstood than a psychopath but she had a very twisted hard life and her heart is full of regret and sorrow. Her mother is crazier than her, someone does one little thing that makes her betray her code and she starts a killing spree, she goes around killing people who keep her more than a day in prison, she kills people for not telling her a ship name, that sounds kinda like psycopathic behaviour to me, if Morinth is crazy, so is Samara.

Also, keep in mind Morinth has a condition that naturally causes her to become addicted to joining with (and ultimately killing) others. What's Samara's excuse?

[Medhia Nox]

@franciscoamell - do you feel bad for every serial killer who is genetically pre-disposed to predatory acts?

Aww - Morinth had a hard life. Maybe if we feed her another young artist girl... she'll feel better about herself.

And I'm fairly sure Samara doesn't do any of the things you ascribe to her in my playthrough. It's true that a certain type of person might look at Samara in a very particular light - but no, she never actually goes on these rampages this variety of person claims she does.

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SpecialRyan - Dexter is a demented animal. That he kills other demented animals does not exonerate him (in my eyes, thankfully I am not the Judge of the universe)

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 juillet 2011 - 03:08 .

[Fidget6]

Medhia Nox wrote...
And I'm fairly sure Samara doesn't do any of the things you ascribe to her in my playthrough. It's true that a certain type of person might look at Samara in a very particular light - but no, she never actually goes on these rampages this variety of person claims she does.

Unless you didn't meet her in your playthrough, yes she always does those things.

Just read up on the Justicars and think about it for awhile, and I'm sure you'll see that Justicars are dangerous, as I said anyone who has such a black and white view of the world is: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Justicar

[Medhia Nox]

@Fidget6 - you know, the laws of any nation are black and white yes? Whether or not you get caught - or can fool a bunch of idiot civilians put on a jury - is not relevant. Laws are black and white.

So is your opinion of people who view the world in black and white - a paradox I'd say. You're very black and white about that issue... unless you concede that "some" people who view the world in terms of black and white are perhaps not "dangerous".

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I'll have to pay closer attention to Samara's murderous rampage - cause I don't recall her killing anyone outside of Morinth.

[PauseforEffect]

Samara killed a merc pointing a gun at her.
Morinth killed a girl who intended no harm to her.
The people whom Shepard talks to have never met a Justicar personally and are passing on what rumors they've heard.
Justicars reduce pirate attacks for Captains, hence why they are often welcomed aboard.
Morinth was called a filthy little creature by the merc she bribed to smuggle her.
Maybe if they made Morinth actually sound intelligent instead of as a moronic goth poseur then perhaps-nah, it's more satisfying seeing Samara pancake her face.

[KingNothing125]

She's been chasing Morinth around the galaxy since the 1700s. She's only been in your crew for a year at most. The potential is there; she may well have killed innocents during her pursuit before you met her.

[D.Kain]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Fidget6 - you know, the laws of any nation are black and white yes? Whether or not you get caught - or can fool a bunch of idiot civilians put on a jury - is not relevant. Laws are black and white.

So is your opinion of people who view the world in black and white - a paradox I'd say. You're very black and white about that issue... unless you concede that "some" people who view the world in terms of black and white are perhaps not "dangerous".

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I'll have to pay closer attention to Samara's murderous rampage - cause I don't recall her killing anyone outside of Morinth.

Yes world is not black and white. Everybody is out for themselves, and it doesn't matter who you kill, another killer or an inocent girl. Samara like Shepard like every other squad member has killed thousands.

[Medhia Nox]

Yeah - and I was right. She doesn't go on the murderous rampage you claim she did in one of your other posts (do I need to quote it for you?).

Did you kick the Eclipse out of the window when you were trying to get to Nassana and Thane? Did you blow up the tank under the Weyrloc Krogan?
Did you punch the reporter?

Or any number of "Renegade" kill fest "murderous rampages" that Shepard can go on?

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As a note, I really don't care who loves serial killers. I'll gladly put a bullet in her head every time (because the option isn't available for me to imprison her and send her to Asari space)

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 07 juillet 2011 - 03:35 .

[PauseforEffect]

If Morinth is going to be able to be recruited then the player should be able to get the full ensemble for that. Not just some passing cameo nor a news report, but actual direct effect upon Shepard.
"This is going to be fun." Last warning of Morinth's intent. She likes dangerous places and has been manipulating people for 400 years. Teammates will not be happy at the thought that their commander backstabbed one of them for a self-admitted murderer. "Like Nef, she died because her system couldn't handle the ecstasy."
A soldier may kill to save their own life. That does not mean they have carte blanche to kill civilians who posed no direct threat to them. There IS a difference in what people are killed and society will enforce that upon those who make no distinction

[D.Kain]

PrimalEden wrote...

If Morinth is going to be able to be recruited then the player should be able to get the full ensemble for that. Not just some passing cameo nor a news report, but actual direct effect upon Shepard.
"This is going to be fun." Last warning of Morinth's intent. She likes dangerous places and has been manipulating people for 400 years. Teammates will not be happy at the thought that their commander backstabbed one of them for a self-admitted murderer. "Like Nef, she died because her system couldn't handle the ecstasy."
A soldier may kill to save their own life. That does not mean they have carte blanche to kill civilians who posed no direct threat to them. There IS a difference in what people are killed and society will enforce that upon those who make no distinction

Its not an ordenery situation. The galaxy is in danger and strong alies are needed. I consider Morinth to have more potential than Samara in the long run, and since she is good to Shepard she is welcome on the team. Spepard is not police and its not his job to take care of Morinth as a killer, he has a lot of outlaws on his crew.

Modifié par D.Kain, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[PauseforEffect]

Personal experience with people older than me by at least a decade show that it's arrogance to believe you can deceive or use someone who has seen the world far longer than you. Several times I'd realize I'd been outmaneuvered by my Kenpo instructor who had read me like a book just from a few innocent questions.
It may be a game but it's also an assessment of your judgement. To believe you can trust a character that has murdered, deceived, lied and betrayed for over 400 years....we humans have a hard time trusting each other after just ONE lie. And this is a character we have proof that intentionally committed all the actions that would get any other human executed promptly like Samara did to Morinth.

[PrinceLionheart]

I think everything "negative" about Morinth was fully intentional on BioWare's part, so I don't think there's much to improve. Morinth is like that poor dog that snapped and is a danger to those who comes near it. Sympathize with it if you want, but you got to put it out of it's misery. Whether Morinth relishes in what she does or is simply the victim of an addiction, it really doesn't matter, she won't stop at all. Hence, why as soon as the Suicide Mission is over she's back to trying to seduce Shepard.

So yeah, I can't see Morinth having much of a role in the third game aside from news report over "Various strange killings in such and such system."

franciscoamell wrote...

Morinth had to run away from her
home very young and keep living on the run so her mother wouldn't kill
her, am I the only one who feels bad for her? That's trauma enough for
one becoming a psychopath.

Except you know, that wasn't the case.

Morinth was given the choice to live in isolation due to her condition. I'll admit, that was a sucky alternative, but she instead choose to go on the run and fulfill her sex cravings, knowning full in well it'd warp her mind. It's unfortunate that she was born with that condition, but trying to paint her as the lesser of two evils is just plain silly.

Modifié par PrinceLionheart, 07 juillet 2011 - 04:44 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'll have to pay closer attention to Samara's murderous rampage - cause I don't recall her killing anyone outside of Morinth.

She was forced to kill some villagers Morinth brain-raped into being her human shields.

[D.Kain]

PrimalEden wrote...

Personal experience with people older than me by at least a decade show that it's arrogance to believe you can deceive or use someone who has seen the world far longer than you. Several times I'd realize I'd been outmaneuvered by my Kenpo instructor who had read me like a book just from a few innocent questions.
It may be a game but it's also an assessment of your judgement. To believe you can trust a character that has murdered, deceived, lied and betrayed for over 400 years....we humans have a hard time trusting each other after just ONE lie. And this is a character we have proof that intentionally committed all the actions that would get any other human executed promptly like Samara did to Morinth.

Tell me what can happen that I will actually regret if I won't kill her? Provided that I won't experiment and have sex with her.

[KingNothing125]

The hook with Morinth is that she's not your average serial killer, in that she doesn't just kill people. She mates with them, therefore it takes some willing participation on the part of her victim. She's a succubus. The only way Shepard is actually in any danger is if he/she lets her guard down and is successfully seduced. Morinth won't just kill Shepard. She gains nothing by doing that.

From Samara's loyalty mission (and just in general), we know Shepard is exceptionally strong willed. Shep is able to resist Morinth's advances if you have a high enough P/R score (and indeed, that is the only way you are presented with the opportunity to choose Morinth at all). If Shep can continue to keep Morinth at arm's length, she could prove to be a useful teammate for as long as she decides Shepard is worth sticking around for.

Furthermore, I think it's reasonable to assume that Shepard is the strongest and most powerful (read: most alluring) person Morinth has pursued. A priiiize like that would be hard to pass up for a succubus. I don't think she's going anywhere, as long as Shepard keeps dangling him/herself in front of her like a carrot on a stick. In that respect, she could be very loyal and trustworthy.

(Trustworthy in regards to obeying Shepard's wishes. She'll continually try to seduce Shep, that's a given. But I don't think she would ever allow some other kind of harm to befall Shep, lest she lose her prize.)

Modifié par KingNothing125, 07 juillet 2011 - 05:42 .

[Golden Owl]

Fidget6 wrote...

I actually already sympathize with Morinth. More than I sympathize with Samara in many ways. Anyone who sees the world as black and white as Samara does with her Justicar code is dangerous. And what were Morinth's options? To live in isolation or to run. I could see myself doing the same if put in a situation like that. 

Which would be all well and good if Morinth also chose a celebate life instead of frying the brains of unsuspecting innocents.

[D.Kain]

@KingNothing125

How awesome is seducing a succubus?))

[KingNothing125]

I know right? That's what I think is really interesting about the dynamic between Shep and Morinth.

Morinth is this crazy-powerful Space Succubus who thinks she has Shep wrapped around her little finger, but I think it's actually the other way around. Shep has all the power, as long as he/she realizes it. Shep could probably order her to jump and she would say, "how high?" because she wants Shep so bad.

Granted my speculation could all be wrong if Morinth is smart enough to just walk away, but addicts aren't exactly clearheaded when they're in desperate need for a fix.

That makes Morinth an interesting character, someone everyone should recruit on at least one Shepard.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

mrsph wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

and have you seen that big smile on her face as Shepard burns out.  That's friendship and affection right there.

This is crazy talk!

There is no way that Morinth is a sociopath! Sure, she killed an entire village of people, but you can't proof they didn't attack her first, and maybe they liked being slaves in the first place! Sure, she killed Nef, but you can't proof that Nef wasn't a serial killer out to kill Morinth first.

Logically, Morinth is innocent and I declare Samara to be a big meanie.

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[Fidget6]

Golden Owl wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

I actually already sympathize with Morinth. More than I sympathize with Samara in many ways. Anyone who sees the world as black and white as Samara does with her Justicar code is dangerous. And what were Morinth's options? To live in isolation or to run. I could see myself doing the same if put in a situation like that. 

Which would be all well and good if Morinth also chose a celebate life instead of frying the brains of unsuspecting innocents.

Of course Morinth isn't innocent either. She is a serial killer when it comes down to it. Like Samara, she also is too dangerous to be running around free. But she has a condition that causes her to become addicted to mating, which is the entire reason the choices for and Ardat Yakshi are isolation or execution in the first place. I didn't say that I thought Morinth was innocent and her actions deserved to be overlooked, I just said that I really sympathized for her as a character, which is more than I can say about Samara.

Modifié par Fidget6, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:35 .