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[Niniva]

Wrex says it best.




I didnt detest it, but i didnt think it was amazing either. Still looking forward to seeing what Bioware has cooking.

Modifié par Niniva, 07 juillet 2011 - 08:15 .

[MorrigansLove]

Dragon Age 2 may be a good game in its own right, but compared to Origins? Bloody hell, what a fail of a sequel.

[syllogi]

I liked the characters. I might even get the DLC if people report that it has a good story and more dialogue for party members. I don't think of DA2 as good or bad, but deeply flawed. There are good parts, and bad parts, and it definitely could have been way better with more attention to detail and time.

I would judge it less harshly, but I still maintain that the main plot could have been better as a book. It was interesting, but not appropriate for a RPG that is supposed to have choices.

[Lord_Valandil]

Nah.
I didn't try to convince myself that I was enjoying this trainwreck.

[ScotGaymer]

Yeh Dragon Age 2 is a good game; its just got some pretty big flaws that make it difficult to want to keep playing.

Map recycling.
Inexplicable waves of enemies dropping from the sky.
The lack of familial interction when they advertised Hawke having a family as a BIG THING.
The abruptness of the way Act 2 ends and charges off onto a tangent in Act 3.
The abruptness of the way Act 3 ends.
The game's ending having no meaning or impact.

I could say more but id be just beating a dead horse. lol.

[erynnar]

Kilshrek wrote...

Not once mate, especially by the end game I was facepalming more than playing. Actually I facepalmed during most boss fights, simply because of the ridiculously tricked out health bars they sported.

And I facepalmed during a certain end game event, and another one right after that. A cumulative headdesk I suppose. But all in all it was a fun ride, not one that I'd care too much to repeat though.

I should think not! It would be hard on the ol' noggin, the desk, and would give a whole new meaning to "Rosey Palms and her five fat sisters" due to facepalming.

 Like I said, enjoyed my mage.

[Faust1979]

I think the game is awesome tons of fun I liked it a lot

[KotorEffect3]

It was a good game but could have and should have been much better. Shouldn't not have made all the changes they made to combat and art style. Story had an unsatisfying ending, I always play pro-mage but from what I heard it plays out nearly the same way the templar ending plays out. Should have had Orsino only go crazy in the templar ending in my opinion. In the mage ending they should have had it that Hawke managed to to find a way to keep the templars busy enough to give Orsino and some of the other mages a chance to get away. Also didn't like the recycled areas. Should have had some actualy variety in what we saw. Kirkwall is supposed to be a large city the game could have done a better job of reflecting that. In Origins each area in the main quest had it's own unique look and feel. With all that said though I still had fun playing DA 2 and I still play DA 2. A good game but not as good as other bioware games. Most bioware games get a solid A frome me. DA 2 gets a B-

[RevilFox]

I still think it's a vast improvement over Origins.

[Graspiloot]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

It was a good game but could have and should have been much better. Shouldn't not have made all the changes they made to combat and art style. Story had an unsatisfying ending, I always play pro-mage but from what I heard it plays out nearly the same way the templar ending plays out. Should have had Orsino only go crazy in the templar ending in my opinion. In the mage ending they should have had it that Hawke managed to to find a way to keep the templars busy enough to give Orsino and some of the other mages a chance to get away. Also didn't like the recycled areas. Should have had some actualy variety in what we saw. Kirkwall is supposed to be a large city the game could have done a better job of reflecting that. In Origins each area in the main quest had it's own unique look and feel. With all that said though I still had fun playing DA 2 and I still play DA 2. A good game but not as good as other bioware games. Most bioware games get a solid A frome me. DA 2 gets a B-

I disagree about the combat. The combat in Origins was tedious at best. The third act could definitely have used a lot of work, especially connecting act 2 and 3. I found that in act 1 you can already see the tension building with the qunari, and I think the deep roads are also connected to act 3. I would have preferred though had act 2 and act 3 be more connected. 

Yeah I am pro-mage mostly because of Origins, in DA2 every mage except Anders and Bethany/some Hawkes will be blood mages. Im dissapointed in that because that proves the chantry and templar's point. 

At least this story didn't have that many massive plot holes as origins though

[KotorEffect3]

Graspiloot wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

It was a good game but could have and should have been much better. Shouldn't not have made all the changes they made to combat and art style. Story had an unsatisfying ending, I always play pro-mage but from what I heard it plays out nearly the same way the templar ending plays out. Should have had Orsino only go crazy in the templar ending in my opinion. In the mage ending they should have had it that Hawke managed to to find a way to keep the templars busy enough to give Orsino and some of the other mages a chance to get away. Also didn't like the recycled areas. Should have had some actualy variety in what we saw. Kirkwall is supposed to be a large city the game could have done a better job of reflecting that. In Origins each area in the main quest had it's own unique look and feel. With all that said though I still had fun playing DA 2 and I still play DA 2. A good game but not as good as other bioware games. Most bioware games get a solid A frome me. DA 2 gets a B-

I disagree about the combat. The combat in Origins was tedious at best. The third act could definitely have used a lot of work, especially connecting act 2 and 3. I found that in act 1 you can already see the tension building with the qunari, and I think the deep roads are also connected to act 3. I would have preferred though had act 2 and act 3 be more connected. 

Yeah I am pro-mage mostly because of Origins, in DA2 every mage except Anders and Bethany/some Hawkes will be blood mages. Im dissapointed in that because that proves the chantry and templar's point. 

At least this story didn't have that many massive plot holes as origins though

The combat is kind of a mixed bag for me.  I tend to favor the warrior class and I thought being a two handed warrior in DA2 was often a little too over the top.  In origins I felt more like a real warrior as the combat was more realistic even if it were slow.  I will say that playing as a Mage in DA 2 was alot funner than it was in origins.  In DA 2 I felt that mages are always part of the action meanwhile in origins I had to wait until my mage leveled up enough to get some good AOE spells.  As for rogues I prefer the origins version.  In DA 2 it feels like rogues are always hoping around like jack rabbits.

I also prefer the armor options in Origins for warriors.

[ApostleinTriumph]

It is a good game, if I didn't play Origins I would rate it much, much higher than what I do today.

However, when you realize it is a sequel to Origins, it simply fails to deliver in many ways. This could have been a side content like Awakenings, but not a sequel. Sequels make titles go forward, not strip what made them in the first place.

[Shadowlit_Rogue]

I enjoyed most of my first playthrough of DA2, but mostly because I was just so excited to be playing around in Thedas again. Even when I was finished, I knew I didn't like it even remotely as much as DA:O, but I still thought it was a solid RPG. That was until I played it a second time, noticed just how much the game didn't change: even when I played a mage in a society that can't abide them, and romanced the one character who blames magic for everything wrong in the world. Nothing changed.

That's about when I started exhaling pure vitriol 24/7 and went back to playing DA:O.

[Graspiloot]

KotorEffect3 wrote...


The combat is kind of a mixed bag for me.  I tend to favor the warrior class and I thought being a two handed warrior in DA2 was often a little too over the top.  In origins I felt more like a real warrior as the combat was more realistic even if it were slow.  I will say that playing as a Mage in DA 2 was alot funner than it was in origins.  In DA 2 I felt that mages are always part of the action meanwhile in origins I had to wait until my mage leveled up enough to get some good AOE spells.  As for rogues I prefer the origins version.  In DA 2 it feels like rogues are always hoping around like jack rabbits.

I also prefer the armor options in Origins for warriors.

Can't say about rogues (haven't played those), but I thought that warrirors and rogues movements look a bit .. unnatural, but I still thought for warriors at least that it was more fun. Also because they balanced out the combat more, warriors were actually useful. The best party in origins was 3 mages and a rogue; maybe a warrior tank or a rogue archer instead of one mage (if the player isn't playing one). 

In the beginning as a mage (or archer rogue I thought as well) in origins you are just waiting for spells until you finally get useful, and then you become massively OP. I thought this was done better DA2.

I guess Origins feels more realistic, but I'm now playing awakening for some of my last achievements (really postponing to play through it again just for the amaranthine achievement) and I find the combat such a drag. Also I tend to favour mages so you can imagine DA2 is a lot more fun for me in terms of combat ^^

[erynnar]

I am playing DAO again, as a rogue. I don't mind the combat as much as I thought I would going back from DA2. Actually, I like it just fine.

[Graspiloot]

Lucky you ^^ I already disliked it the first time around, so I didn't expect me to like it now. I just noticed that whereas I before DA2 "tolerated" it, and got used to it. Now I really dont have the tolerance for it anymore.

But hey, im glad you can still enjoy it!

[Yrkoon]

Regarding the combat: I can easily see both sides of the argument, because it really is a mixed bag. But despite the "smoothness", "responsiveness", "speed", and all the other things people liked about DA2's combat, I still prefer Origins'.

Reasons: The tactical camera, the finishing moves (c'mon people, how can you NOT prefer the detailed, realistic decapitations and finishing moves of the first game?), and while it's not directly combat related, having a real choice on what you can wear and equip DOES translate to funner combat. I like my dual-wielding warriors. I like being able to switch weapons on the fly. I like the fact that my mage can swing swords, and pepper people from a distance with arrows from his bow. ALL of this is gone in DA2. And that makes a huge difference for me.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 08 juillet 2011 - 01:47 .

[Kilshrek]

erynnar wrote...

I should think not! It would be hard on the ol' noggin, the desk, and would give a whole new meaning to "Rosey Palms and her five fat sisters" due to facepalming.

 Like I said, enjoyed my mage.

And just as well! Don't know if my health insurance covers self-inflicted injuries of that variety.

Oh, I went through the motions as a 2h warrior, then stumbled on my 2w rogue play, tried rebooting with a mage, then decided to spare my computer the sight of me losing it.

But I'm better now. The voices have stopped whispering to me.

edit : duhspeekz

Modifié par Kilshrek, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:55 .

[Graspiloot]

Hmm I think the finishing moves and the armour had nothing to do with the gameplay. Yeah too bad the finishing moves were removed, they were cool to watch ^^ And the case with the armour I think it is like gamespot says: Fixing what wasnt broken. It was an unnecessary simplification.

So it seems that while DA2s combat was improved for more conventional builds, more unconventional ones like the ones you mention couldn't be done in DA2 anymore, thats a shame indeed. (Although lore-wise it would have been hard to implement the Arcane Warrior).

Maybe the best of both for DA3. We can only hope Bioware does their job well and EA lets them.

[SSH83]

DA2 is a great game. I thoroughly enjoyed it and my only complaint was the unsatisfying ending. It's just too different from DA:O and thus the backlash.  If you give them the same thing, they demand innovation.  If you give them innovation, they demand the same old.  You just can't please some people.

Modifié par SSH83, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:47 .

[erynnar]

Graspiloot wrote...

Lucky you ^^ I already disliked it the first time around, so I didn't expect me to like it now. I just noticed that whereas I before DA2 "tolerated" it, and got used to it. Now I really dont have the tolerance for it anymore.

But hey, im glad you can still enjoy it!

ROFL! Thanks! I do, but I don't play for combat. Some do, so I can see how it wouldn't be as much fun.:happy:

[kglaser]

Strangely, I was mostly able to play it without invoking the comparison. I gave it a 6.5/10. I'd play it again, but it's not among the best games I've ever played.

[Boiny Bunny]

SSH83 wrote...

DA2 is a great game. I thoroughly enjoyed it and my only complaint was the unsatisfying ending. It's just too different from DA:O and thus the backlash.  If you give them the same thing, they demand innovation.  If you give them innovation, they demand the same old.  You just can't please some people.

Kindly stop dismissing people's personal opinions because they don't agree with your own.  I'm glad you enjoyed the game.  Beyond that, the rest of your statement makes no sense. 

TW2 streamlined its combat system compared to TW1, and changed many other aspects of gameplay, much as DA2 did from DA:O.  The general consenus seems to be that TW2 is vastly superior to TW1, and most people are very glad about the changes made.  Which collapses your 'theory', if you would even call it that.

[erynnar]

SSH83 wrote...

DA2 is a great game. I thoroughly enjoyed it and my only complaint was the unsatisfying ending. It's just too different from DA:O and thus the backlash.  If you give them the same thing, they demand innovation.  If you give them innovation, they demand the same old.  You just can't please some people.

I think this is a huge simplification that gets bandied about a lot on the forums. I think a small percentage are like this. But I don't think that counts overall. 

And I wouldn't say DA2 had a lot of "innovation."  Hmm, "innovation...you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it mean." To paraphrase Inigo Montoya.  Those arguments are for another thread and have been argued there already.

[erynnar]

Kilshrek wrote...

erynnar wrote...

I should think not! It would be hard on the ol' noggin, the desk, and would give a whole new meaning to "Rosey Palms and her five fat sisters" due to facepalming.

 Like I said, enjoyed my mage.

And just as well! Don't know if my health insurance covers self-inflicted injuries of that variety.

Oh, I went through the motions as a 2h warrior, then stumbled on my 2w rogue play, tried rebooting with a mage, then decided to spare my computer the sight of me losing it.

But I'm better now. The voices have stopped whispering to me.

edit : duhspeekz

ROFL!!!  If only the voices had paid rent while they were whispering.