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The Greatest Missed Opportunity By the Writers of Mass Effect 2


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CaptainZaysh

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ubermensch007 wrote...

Can someone please tell me: "WHAT THE HELL WAS THE POINT OF ALL THOSE POSSIBLE ACHEIVEMENTS - If they weren't going to have any effect in the next game?

The Achievements that I'm talking about are the sort that have to do with whether you used some characters more so than others.What BioWare should have done is this...


Basing NPC reactions to your achievements wouldn't work for those people with multiple playthroughs, because the achievements are linked to your Xbox gamer profile, not necessarily the specific Shepard you're playing.

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The only one I really think you can say anything about is Garrus. Hes aware that all life will eventually end so what does he do? Goes and shoots and merc gangs...makes no sense honestly...

I mean they could have tied in SOME basic Reaper inspiration for the characters actions during Shepards death...and they still can for the most part except for Garrus...i mean I just really dont see anything Garrus did as possibly helping in the long run...

As for Wrex, not really sure how this would work with the other guy in case you killed him. But with a few quick dialogue lines in ME3 could just easily reveal one of his reasons for reuniting the clans as uniting the Krogan to help fight the Reapers..obv they cant fight starships but Wrex knows about the Husks and the Geth needing to be taken care if need be...obv the Geth thing changes though...the need for Krogan still stays though.

Liara doesnt talk about CRAP that she actually does. Chasing the SB is just one of the things she does...she says it herself she can finally REALLY help you at the end of SB. Who knows what kind of information she was building during the past couple years...not to mention she kinda knew you would be brought back to life.

As for Ashley or Kaiden...they get a pass. Clearly you dont interact with them enough to know about ANYTHING they have really been up to. Your alliance with Cerberus making them caution you makes a lot of sense due to the events of ME1...I mean seriously, for all we know the Alliance could very well be very aware of the Reapers and just not telling you jack sheeeet because your working with Cerberus at the time. Besides, obviously in ME3 the time to talk to ASH or Kadan will come.

As for Joker...his character doesnt do well with being emotional...not to mention we also DONT KNOW what he felt when Shepard was dead....he probably DID blame himself. But the fact Shepard is brought back to life and teamed back up with him to take on the Reapers totally makes up for it...he gets the chance to go forth as if nothing ever happened...him acting normal doesnt seem that off to me.

As for Tali....Up until meeting Legion....anything to do with Geth equals having to do with Reapers as well so....Tali pretty much never gave up the fight...

Modifié par PHub88, 28 août 2011 - 05:59 .


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OP, while you have decent points. Do attempt to illustrate them better since this read akin to one long run on sentence. Nevertheless, it is more or less fact the main plot of ME2 was rubbish from a narrative perspective. We already have videos and blogs that have torn the plot to shreds for the inconsistent mess that is it. Hopefully BioWare will actually put in the effort in all aspects of the story come ME3.

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Yet another amateur telling professionals how to do their job.

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ubermensch007

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4. "An empty threat"

Miranda: I know who I report too.As long as you don't do anything to betray Cerberus, I'll follow your orders.

I have the utmost respect for your abilities Shepard.Its your motivations that concern me.I believe in what Cerberus stands for,  only time will tell if you prove to be an asset or liability to our cause...

The N7 - Lost Operative Mission: When Commander Shepard retrieves the data File he can give it to either Cerberus, the Sysstems Alliance or hold on to it and have EDI decrypt it on the Normandy SR 2.

Why would BioWare have such a seemingly important side mission take place so early in the game.But if you give the data to the Alliance - Miranda says nothing or does nothing about it...

What's up with that?! :blink: =] :huh:

Modifié par ubermensch007, 02 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .


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ubermensch007 wrote...




For example: Kaidan and my Shep were not very close in my canon playthrough.It would be great if when this Virmire Survivor is met on Horizon - he is not only not all that overjoyed to see his former Commander alive.He is almost indifferent to his presence.But manages to thank Commander Shepard for saving his life and most of the colonist anyway.

That would have been cool.Instead of the "one reaction fits all" that we got from BioWare. :sick:




BioWare... You say that you want Fan Feedback.well here it is. :P


I couldn't agree more, this "one" reaction to seeing Shepard Ticked me off a bit.  And if Kaiden/Ashley were the LI in ME1 there should have been more to develop that, except it felt like Shepard coming back to life was an imposition for them, no joy, a small hug then mad? If they intended to bring this Character back in 3 there should have been more to that story or at least a meeting "off duty" like with Liara. An apology more than a "we'll see if you servive maybe" Shepard has saved their ass on more than one occasion, and she gets a We'll See?

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@Pygmalin - Tell me about it...

Another good example would be with Wrex... Okay, BioWare -- can you tell me why this krogan that I left at Chora's Den on the Citadel and never even recruited in 2183 (Mass Effect) is acting like we're "Best Friends 4 Life in 2185 (ME 2) ?! :blink:

Now I didn't actually do this myself... But some people did! And BioWare should have acknowledged that.Instead of only giving us a binary choice of either Wrex being dead or yor BFF... :pinched:

In the third option: Wrex should have remembered who Commander Shepard is from their brief encounter in 2183.But he should have had a "Look at me now" Attitude toward Shepard... And not been vey helpful - maybe even spiteful to Shepard, when your on Tuchanka.

That would have Rocked! :wizard:

ADLegend21 wrote... Yet another amateur telling professionals how to do their job.

@ADLegend21:  Whatever dude... <_<

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Modifié par ubermensch007, 04 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .


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Gallimatia

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If you don't recruit Wrex he is nowhere to be seen on Tuchanka. It plays out the same as if he was dead.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 03 septembre 2011 - 08:05 .


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ubermensch007

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@Gallimatia - Well it shouldn't have... :P

Modifié par ubermensch007, 04 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .


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ADLegend21 wrote...

Yet another amateur telling professionals how to do their job.


You don't need to be a painter to appreciate a painting, nor do you have to be an author to tell someone that a book is rubbish, being an amateur or a professional has little to do with anything when it comes to intelligent, progressive and insightful critiques and critisism, it merely enhances your argument.

We're not (Usually) telling Bioware "how to do their job," but how they can potentially do it better. Good thing too, 'cause if players never questioned, complained, or discussed a game, we'd still be playing things like DOOM. :pinched:
Sorry, but I've seen a few posts similar to this, and I felt the need to say something. :wizard:

Modifié par BentOrgy, 04 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .


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ubermensch007

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@BentOrgy:
Know that what you have said here - is greatly appreciated... ^_^

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5. Teammates going mute in the strangest of moments:

For the life of me, I cannot understand why BioWare decided to not have Miranda and Grunt interact more.I took her with us on Grunt's Loyalty Mission - and given their many similarties and complex feelings over their orgin.I was so sure that Operative Lawson was going to be very outspoken to Gatatog Uvenk[/b] ; like Tali'Zorah was to the volus Kor Tun who accused Lia'Vael nar Ulnay of stealing his credit chit.

But Miri went mute instead.WTF!?! :huh: That was a real let down... The only time Miranda says anything about Grunt is when you first bring him aboard the Normandy SR 2, and that's not good enough <_<

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ubermensch007 wrote...

@BentOrgy:
Know that what you have said here - is greatly appreciated... ^_^


Aw shucks. ^_^

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And I'm not shutting up about this game yet, because as far as I'm concerned -- before making Mass Effect IV BioWare should remake ME2 add new content and get the graphics and gameplay up to the same standard of Mass Effect 3 :D

The Greatest Missed Opportunities by the Writers of ME2 (Continued)

Commander Shepard should have been able to be 'The Lone Survivor' of (the assault  team during) the Suicide Mission...' Not so long ago, I discovered how to bring about the Shepard dies Ending. After seeing it though. I
thought it preposterous... on account of the fact that I had saved the entire crew, even though the squad-mate I sent to safely return them to the Normandy died.

It would have been so poignant if Miranda was proven wrong.When she says to Shep, that they can't afford to send
someone back with the crew.If it turns out, that doing so would insure that Shepard at least survives the SM. I would have love to have seen Ken, Gabby or Gardner help Shepard get aboard the Normandy, while Joker
was firing at the Collectors! It would have been like that awesome moment in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man when the citizens of New York came to the Webslingers aid, when the Green Goblin was about to kill him  ^_^

Commander Shepard passed through the Omega 4 relay to destroy the Collector Base and save his crew.The base was leveled, and the crew ended up saving him :)

And on another note: Shep should have also been able to complete teammates Loyalty Missions, even if they perished during the SM. Think of how emotional it would have been, if Shepard encountered Ronald Taylor on Aeia and said,"Maybe its for the best that Jacob did not live to see what you've become." Now instead of these being 'Loyalty Missions' its "Unfinished Business" that Shepard is handling for his
Fallen Comrades. :innocent:

Modifié par ubermensch007, 31 mars 2012 - 01:00 .


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I think the first thing someone from the Bioware team would say to these suggestions is this:

"Do you know how much it would cost to add that???" EA gave them some pretty damn tight deadlines and a tight budget. Im sure the writers and designers had many suggestions just as good and probably better than the ones you guys gave here, but the fact is that there are deadlines to everything.

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ME2 felt rushed, and you can feel the EA sticker all over it.

I bought the Collectors Edition on release day and still haven't finished it. I got Garus and messed around on some planet that had something to do with Krogans or something and just could GET interested. I kept playing despite a lack of interest thinking it will pick up eventually and never did.

From the spoilers I have read about ME2 and 3, it looks like I'm not missing much.

The ENTIRE plot feels empty and pointless. I really want to get into the game, but I just can't.

I am glad no one spoiled ME1 for me... but I am also glad I spoiled ME 2 and 3 for myself. It sure looks and feels like ME 2 and 3 a re pretty much the Matrix 2 and 3.

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@PGaither84:

Well for my part. Mass Effect 2 is probably one of my 'Top Five Favorite Video Games of All Time'. :wizard:

I created this thread, because I love this game so much and saw ways that it could be made better than it already is.

But to each his own I guess... :blush:

Modifié par ubermensch007, 07 avril 2012 - 12:00 .