A sobering thought about Mass Effect 3: The Only True Side Quest in the Game Is...
#51
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:37
#52
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:47
But if this kind of failure ending is only option in the game......... then it doesn't matter how well it's made or how interesting it's, it's just failure from BW part.
#53
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 04:51
#54
Posté 07 juillet 2011 - 05:08
#55
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 04:39
Shepard VI: "I am Commander John Shepard, Systems Alliance - Rank: N7 -- Service Number 5923-AC-2826
I Am... The First Human Spectre of Citadel Space.
This is a present from a small, distant world, a token of our sounds, our science, our images, our music, our thoughts and our feelings. We are attempting to survive our time so we may live into yours."
President Jimmy Carter -- NASA Voyager 1 and 2 Interstellar Spacecraft
- Mass Effect 3 is a game, a story -- that should play out in a fashion akin to "The Fear of Quicksand" www.youtube.com/watch
- Playing ME3 should be akin to the AWESOME SpeechShane Falco: "Quicksand...You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing
goes wrong. And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move... you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand. "
Coach Tony D'Amato: "Peace by Inches" Address to Players
I don’t know what to say, really. Three minutes till the biggest battle of our professional lives all comes down to
today. Now either we heal as a team or we’re gonna crumble, inch by inch, play by play, 'til we’re finished.
We’re in hell right now, gentlemen, believe me. And, we can stay here -- get the **** kicked out of us -- or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb outta hell one inch at a time.
Now, I can’t do it for you. I’m too old. I look around. I see these young faces, and I think -- I mean -- I made every wrong choice a middle-aged man can make. I, uh, I pissed away all my money, believe it or not. I chased off anyone who’s ever loved me. And lately, I can’t even stand the face I see in the mirror.
You know, when you get old in life things get taken from you. I mean that's...part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.
The inches we need are everywhere around us.They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.
On this team, we fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that
inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch, because we know when we add up all those inches that’s gonna make the ****in' difference between winning and losing! Between livin' and dyin'!
I’ll tell you this: In any fight, it’s the guy who’s willing to die who’s gonna win that inch. And I know if I’m gonna
have any life anymore, it’s because I’m still willin' to fight and die for that inch. Because that’s what livin' is! The six inches in front of your face!!Now I can’t make you do it. You got to look at the guy next to you. Look into his eyes! Now I think you’re gonna see a guy who will go that inch with you. You're gonna see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows, when it comes down to it, you’re gonna do the same for him!
That’s a team, gentleman!And, either we heal, now, as a team, or we will die as individuals.That’s football guys.
That's all it is.
Now, what are you gonna do?
- Playing Mass Effect 3, should be like driving a car... There are many types of Drivers-- Good Drivers: Who follow the rules of the road, Aggresive Drivers, Distracted Drivers and Drunk Drivers.Stastistically speaking, in America about 17,500 people die every year in automobile related accidents.
I am not a pessimist, or a cynic, I just think that it would be a stroke of genuis on BioWare's part to make it clear that in ME3, that -- "The decisions that you make as Commander Shepard, are not the only choices that matter.Other characters - (NPC's) have made very questionable decisions here and there." That may come back to roost -- as they say.I will never forget the conversation some members of my party had in the Council Chamber, after I became the 1st Human Spectre.They spoke of how we may not even be in this mess with Saren and the Geth, if the Council had brought an end to the Geth/Quarian War as they did The First Contact War betwixt Humans and Turians...
Consider the following, for the last 300 years the race that has the greatest affinity for developing new technologies -- the Quarians.Have had to focus primarily, just on survival.They have not had much time to create, only to sustain what they already have and salvage through scrapyards.Instead of working with the best materials the galaxy has to offer.Imagine what type of contributions the quarians could have blessed the inter galactic community with in the last three centuries, if they were not shunned and despised so!
If I gave some the impression in my first post that "All hope is lost." That was not my intent.In fact I do believe that there may be a good chance that this generation may 'Break the Cycle'.But that chance leaves for very little if any margin of error in judgement.It should be about as difficult to succedd at having a "The Cycle is Broken" Ending: As it is to acheive "Total Victory" in Ninja Warrior (or as its known in Japan - Sasuke).I'm glad to hear that enemy combatants in ME3 have been made much smarter and tougher, but that's not enough.During certain missions, it would be cool if when one of your 'party members' get's knocked out (and you have to revive them) a cut scene appears and in it, that character dies!!
Now a bit more about the Time Capsules...There is no way the Reapers will be able to as they say on Pokemon: "Gotta Catch Them All" They will be on worlds, in orbit, traveling through the vastness of space and some will be placed on worlds that the Reapers have already destroyed ages ago.I highly doubt that any of them would think to look there. ;)And as to the question: "The council did not listen to Shepard, what makes you think some race 50,000 years in the future will listen to him?" There will be more than just the Shepard VI, there will be Turian, Salarian, Asari, Krogan, Quarian and other VI's from other races and cultures, telling thier histories and all will corroborate what Shepard's VI says...
Modifié par ubermensch007, 05 septembre 2011 - 07:36 .
#56
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 06:27
#57
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 07:04
#58
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 07:18
If BioWare wants the ending to be impactful, to mean something to the player. We have to feel as though it was earned, that we struggled in our own way not unlike Shepard him/herself. This alone could make Mass Effect 3's ending reach extraordinary heights, whereas otherwise it would merely be a good enough conclusion however nothing many of us have not seen.
#59
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 07:32
As a matter of fact...
Any other ending > Rainbows and butterflies
#60
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 07:40
Medhia Nox wrote...
I don't even want any of the victories to be pretty - at all.
I want the Paragon victory to be a brutal, bloody affair - with trillions dead galaxy-wide. Perhaps even whole races didn't make it, maybe even planet Earth, but the Citadel remains strong and the races of the galaxy unquestioningly revere an endangered human race as the ones who "gave it all" so that the cycle would be broken - the remnants of hope for a brighter future.
I want the Renegade victory to be a swift, devastating (but not simple) blow against the Reapers that leaves the armadas of the various races wiped out. The end is the Alliance fleet scavenging Reaper tech and setting out on a manifest destiny across the star systems... the Reapers are now replaced by humanity.
While I think species becoming endangered is a very real possibility, you have to remember that most species are spread out all over the galaxy--human, asari, batarian, krogan, etc--you name it, it's all over.
The drell and krogan are probably at most risk, though Vorcha might be as well.
#61
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 07:48
It would have to work the same way for an ME3 failure ending and the OP's ideas are amazing. I love that bittersweet farewell.
Please please plase BW optional failure ending.
#62
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 10:22
#63
Posté 08 juillet 2011 - 12:33
#64
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 08:22
Kyrene wrote...
There is no bad ending. If Shepard fails, humanity will still live on as a single Reaper. The Reapers are the time capsules of all the civilizations past.
Not a single reaper more like dozens maybe a hundred or two
#65
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 09:48
ubermensch007 wrote...
"Things that make you go, Hmm..."
Let me guess, brainiac: science abuse? Ugh, I hated that show...
#66
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 10:17
#67
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 10:31
This is side quest which may affect on Fail-ending. That must be considered from a role-playing perspective not metagaming one. Of course you'll get your happy ending, because you have magic save-load power, but Shepard doesn't know that.
#68
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 12:19
Candidate 88766 wrote...
I really want this to be a potential ending - Shepard realises he has failed and has to find ways of warning the next civilization. Perhaps the final scenes of this ending involve some new species interacting with a Vigil-like version of Shepard, 50,000 years after ME3, and then showing that species going on to finally defeat the Reapers. If done right it would be the ultimate bittersweet ending.
I would utterly love such ending. Unfortunately the masses prefer to have this rainbow ending where everyone and everything is saved. Players those days suffer from inferiority complex - the protagonist has to win at all cost and every other NPC in the game should look less badass.
#69
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 03:03
#70
Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 03:21
#71
Posté 02 septembre 2011 - 08:13
There is a Cerberus Daily News Report that speaks of an unknown alien race that has managed to find a way to become virtually ageless and retain their personalities:
08/11/2010 - Alien AI-Controlled Ship Makes Contact in Salarian Space
“Alarms rang throughout the salarian system of Antilin yesterday when an alien ship bearing a strong AI signature triggered fears of a geth attack. Renko Turwin, Director of Near-Orbital Security, explained:
"When evidence of powerful AI heuristics was detected onboard, our security forces thought it was the vanguard of a geth invasion. However,we consulted quarian scientific advisors who assured us that the signals failed to match any known geth signature." According to Turwin, the biggest surprise came next: "The ship's intelligence then communicated with us. It asked us to calculate the value of Pi to the first quadrillion digits. Some 20 questions followed after that, all of them beyond our realm of expertise. We're currently awaiting advice from
outside consultants before proceeding. As yet, the ship matches no known alien species."”
It is later discovered that it houses an entire community of a sentient alien species.Who has managed to find a way to cheat death, retain their personalities - mind will and emotions:
08/19/2010 - MIT Exo-Biologist Claims Astonishing Antilin "Ghost Ship" Discovery
“The scientific community is abuzz today after the latest report from MIT exo-biologist Jordan Detweiler was filed last night from the Antilin System, where he's currently investigating a mysterious "ghost ship." Claiming a breakthrough, Detweiler writes, "What I've discovered is nothing short of astonishing: This so-called derelict ship isn't derelict at all. It appears that an alien race has downloaded its consciousness to a massive array of quantum computers on board the vessel. It's my belief these aliens now reside entirely in a virtual world and have been there for at least 8,000 years." Detweiler estimates the population of the virtual world numbers close to one billion
individuals. He explains: "The ship's AI is something of a caretaker to these people, or even a god depending on how you look at it. More importantly, the AI is now requesting our help. It says a power failure is imminent and threatens the entire virtual civilization."
The Reaction:
08/21/2010 - Opinions Mixed After Discovery of "Ghost Ship" Virtual Civilization
“Opinions were plentiful this week after MIT's Jordan Detweiler stunned the scientific world when he revealed the existence of a virtual alien civilization residing in a derelict "ghost ship". Niran Patalung, a Buddhist scholar at the Center for Religious Studies in Bangkok, said, "I'm struck by the parallels to ancient human beliefs in
reincarnation. Clearly, life does not end for these aliens when they 'die.' Their souls, if you will, simply re-inhabit other virtual personalities and continue living." Thomas Copeland, spokesman for an Earth-based atheist group, disagreed: "That's true until you pull the plug. Then what? All these 'souls' just wink out, that's what. Those who
would latch onto this incident as proof of some higher level of existence are simply projecting their own wishful thinking onto digital noise." Mr. Patalung replied: "One man's noise is another man's music. Perhaps in his next life, Mr. Copeland will be less tone-deaf."
The Decision:
08/27/2010 - Alien "Ghost Ship" Saga Ends Under Veil of Secrecy
“The saga of the alien "ghost ship" has come to a surprising end. Earlier today, reports surfaced that the Citadel Council was prepared to rule against saving the ship, fearing its AI system was sophisticated enough to pose a "security threat of unknown dimensions." In response, chief scientist Jordan Detweiler inserted himself into the virtual alien world to warn its citizens of their civilization's imminent end. He returned one minute later -- apparently equal to half a year within the accelerated timeline of the alien world -- bringing a treaty offer from
its inhabitants. At that point, details turn sketchy. One inside source claims the virtual aliens offered scientific advancements "far beyond anything we have" in return for assistance. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected, with Citadel intelligence agencies classifying the matter as top-secret. Rumors now have Jordan Detweiler embarking on a Council-sanctioned mission into the virtual world to make diplomatic contact.”
So we know that the Citadel Council has some radical technology that has nothing to do with the Reapers planned design.And this is the conclusion:
09/26/2010 - Volunteers Step Forward to Swap Places with Virtual Aliens
“Deadlocked Council deliberations over the fate of Ambassador Sygan ended today with a surprising twist: the Council will grant asylum to the virtual alien emissary in the body of a volunteer, allowing famed MIT exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler to return to his own body. Ambassador Sygan will transfer her consciousness into the volunteer's body, while the volunteer's consciousness is downloaded into a computer.Upon hearing this decision, some 400 individuals from various races have volunteered to "swap places" with aliens inside the virtual world
who wish to re-join the physical universe. One asari volunteer regarded this as "an amazing opportunity to explore a new realm of existence," while a salarian volunteer said, "I'm doing it because I'm tired of our universe. It's a mess."
And here in lies a way for Commander Shepard and Co. to survive the Reaper War.If worse comes to worse... There is a text from the video game Out-lander that is appropriate here:
30,000 Years Ago
Fall back through time
Become the ancient hero
Let his spirits, dark and light
Arm you in this final battle
Imprisoned by a hero, a soul waiting through the ages.
His time has come again -- and so has theirs...
Commander Shepard in the distant future uses this technology as it was used in his time.The future alien races recognises how much of an assest he can be to them, but he tells them what Bruce Willis says to Billy Bob Thortons character in Armageddon:
"You brought me here b/c somebody told you that I was the best Spectre.But i'm only the best because I work with the best."
His teammates who survived join him in this New Galaxy, to do all within their power to defeat the reapers for good...
Modifié par ubermensch007, 02 septembre 2011 - 08:24 .
#72
Posté 02 septembre 2011 - 09:00
"There are beings in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. Once, long ago, they walked among the stars like giants, vast, timeless. Taught the younger races, explored beyond the rim, created great empires, but to all things, there is an end. Slowly, over a million years, the First Ones went away. Some passed beyond the stars never to return. Some simply disappeared." Not all of the First Ones have gone away. A few stayed behind, hidden, or asleep, waiting for the day when they may be needed. When the Shadows come again."
Do the reapers have a genuine enemy - on an equal level? A race that rather than help, simply stood by and watched the younger races get wiped. Maybe didnt get involved because they couldnt win, but were waiting for a race to come along like humanity - which could finally tip the balance? Wouldnt it be fun if you had to go find them and recruit them(or the few remaining) for the fight? Kind of an ace in the hole for the final battle.
Reapers, let me introduce my friends to you. You thought they had forgotten you. They have been waiting for you..
#73
Posté 02 septembre 2011 - 07:05
ubermensch007 wrote...
Side Quest : Time Capsule - Part 3
There is a Cerberus Daily News Report that speaks of an unknown alien race that has managed to find a way to become virtually ageless and retain their personalities:08/11/2010 - Alien AI-Controlled Ship Makes Contact in Salarian Space
“Alarms rang throughout the salarian system of Antilin yesterday when an alien ship bearing a strong AI signature triggered fears of a geth attack. Renko Turwin, Director of Near-Orbital Security, explained:
"When evidence of powerful AI heuristics was detected onboard, our security forces thought it was the vanguard of a geth invasion. However,we consulted quarian scientific advisors who assured us that the signals failed to match any known geth signature." According to Turwin, the biggest surprise came next: "The ship's intelligence then communicated with us. It asked us to calculate the value of Pi to the first quadrillion digits. Some 20 questions followed after that, all of them beyond our realm of expertise. We're currently awaiting advice from
outside consultants before proceeding. As yet, the ship matches no known alien species."”
It is later discovered that it houses an entire community of a sentient alien species.Who has managed to find a way to cheat death, retain their personalities - mind will and emotions:
08/19/2010 - MIT Exo-Biologist Claims Astonishing Antilin "Ghost Ship" Discovery
“The scientific community is abuzz today after the latest report from MIT exo-biologist Jordan Detweiler was filed last night from the Antilin System, where he's currently investigating a mysterious "ghost ship." Claiming a breakthrough, Detweiler writes, "What I've discovered is nothing short of astonishing: This so-called derelict ship isn't derelict at all. It appears that an alien race has downloaded its consciousness to a massive array of quantum computers on board the vessel. It's my belief these aliens now reside entirely in a virtual world and have been there for at least 8,000 years." Detweiler estimates the population of the virtual world numbers close to one billion
individuals. He explains: "The ship's AI is something of a caretaker to these people, or even a god depending on how you look at it. More importantly, the AI is now requesting our help. It says a power failure is imminent and threatens the entire virtual civilization."
The Reaction:
08/21/2010 - Opinions Mixed After Discovery of "Ghost Ship" Virtual Civilization
“Opinions were plentiful this week after MIT's Jordan Detweiler stunned the scientific world when he revealed the existence of a virtual alien civilization residing in a derelict "ghost ship". Niran Patalung, a Buddhist scholar at the Center for Religious Studies in Bangkok, said, "I'm struck by the parallels to ancient human beliefs in
reincarnation. Clearly, life does not end for these aliens when they 'die.' Their souls, if you will, simply re-inhabit other virtual personalities and continue living." Thomas Copeland, spokesman for an Earth-based atheist group, disagreed: "That's true until you pull the plug. Then what? All these 'souls' just wink out, that's what. Those who
would latch onto this incident as proof of some higher level of existence are simply projecting their own wishful thinking onto digital noise." Mr. Patalung replied: "One man's noise is another man's music. Perhaps in his next life, Mr. Copeland will be less tone-deaf."
The Decision:
08/27/2010 - Alien "Ghost Ship" Saga Ends Under Veil of Secrecy
“The saga of the alien "ghost ship" has come to a surprising end. Earlier today, reports surfaced that the Citadel Council was prepared to rule against saving the ship, fearing its AI system was sophisticated enough to pose a "security threat of unknown dimensions." In response, chief scientist Jordan Detweiler inserted himself into the virtual alien world to warn its citizens of their civilization's imminent end. He returned one minute later -- apparently equal to half a year within the accelerated timeline of the alien world -- bringing a treaty offer from
its inhabitants. At that point, details turn sketchy. One inside source claims the virtual aliens offered scientific advancements "far beyond anything we have" in return for assistance. A veil of secrecy was immediately erected, with Citadel intelligence agencies classifying the matter as top-secret. Rumors now have Jordan Detweiler embarking on a Council-sanctioned mission into the virtual world to make diplomatic contact.”
So we know that the Citadel Council has some radical technology that has nothing to do with the Reapers planned design.And this is the conclusion:
09/26/2010 - Volunteers Step Forward to Swap Places with Virtual Aliens
“Deadlocked Council deliberations over the fate of Ambassador Sygan ended today with a surprising twist: the Council will grant asylum to the virtual alien emissary in the body of a volunteer, allowing famed MIT exobiologist Dr. Jordan Detweiler to return to his own body. Ambassador Sygan will transfer her consciousness into the volunteer's body, while the volunteer's consciousness is downloaded into a computer.Upon hearing this decision, some 400 individuals from various races have volunteered to "swap places" with aliens inside the virtual world
who wish to re-join the physical universe. One asari volunteer regarded this as "an amazing opportunity to explore a new realm of existence," while a salarian volunteer said, "I'm doing it because I'm tired of our universe. It's a mess."
And here in lies a way for Commander Shepard and Co. to survive the Reaper War.If worse comes to worse... There is a text from the video game Out-lander that is appropriate here:30,000 Years Ago
Fall back through time
Become the ancient hero
Let his spirits, dark and light
Arm you in this final battle
Imprisoned by a hero, a soul waiting through the ages.
His time has come again -- and so has theirs...
Commander Shepard in the distant future uses this technology as it was used in his time.The future alien races recognises how much of an assest he can be to them, but he tells them what Bruce Willis says to Billy Bob Thortons character in Armageddon:
"You brought me here b/c somebody told you that I was the best Spectre.But i'm only the best because I work with the best."
His teammates who survived join him in this New Galaxy, to do all within their power to defeat the reapers for good...
Seems to Halo-ish for me, in the sense that by uploading himself to a computer because he failed and waiting for thousands of years to download himself into a new body to fight the Reapers again sounds a lot like having to enter cryostasis because your ship is in the middle of nowhere and there's nothing you can do but sit and wait.
ME3 must be the end of Commander Shepard's story. I've read the thread, and think that your idea of having a "default" ending for the first playthrough is bland, to say the least. Isn't this ME? The first to have decisions being imported to the next game? Aren't there supposed to be like a thousand variables? How come everyone gets the same ending if we all make different choices? I applaud at the fact that there are multiple endings, because that means that every choice we did counts. Just because you think that the ending should be the worst of all, doesn't mean it has to be for all of us. I, for one, will strive to a perfect ending in ME3 from the beginning. If you want the bad ending, well, what's stopping you? Go ahead and have it. I respect your opinion, but it should just stay as it is: yours.
#74
Posté 02 septembre 2011 - 07:15
#75
Posté 02 septembre 2011 - 07:40
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