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[Thrombin]

I thought the article was disingenuously selective over their criticism of the kinect functionality. While speaking the dialogue wheel is not something I see catching on, being able to command your team's powers and actions through voice commands was cool and something the article deliberately leaves out.

The idea that there's nothing new for FPS in what was shown maybe true but that doesn't mean it isn't better than ME2 and they rated ME2 top game of 2010. Sounds like they're just criticizing for the sake of criticizing.

Regards

Julian

[CurrentlyUnknown]

First off, though it's been said a few times in this thread, the AV Club, while part of the Onion, is not satirical.  They're a geniune critical group, and often fairly tough on games, since games aren't the only thing they're reviewing.

And I have to say, I agree with them.  The ME3 demo we saw at E3 didn't impress me very much.  The game honestly looked like ME2 with a melee button, grenades, and the ability to roll, which as the article states isn't tremendously impressive.  It's a case of "is this really the best they've got?" It felt like something that was meant to try and attract people not already into the series - but it was stuff that is long since normal for them.

As for the kid, yeah, it was sort of hokey.  What's the number one way to pull some heartstrings? Show a kid in a warzone.  Boom, instant emotion.

I think what they're getting at is that for a demo, it was disappointing.  It didn't show off anything that made them say, "wow, Mass Effect 3 is really going to stand out and be worth the average gamer's time."

[rapscallioness]

Well, I'm not a shooter gamer, but I like to shoot things up within the context of a decent rpg. I almost didn't even buy ME1 because the cover art looked like shooter. But the game store guy was like trust me....

All I know is I thought the demo looked good. And I'm sooo happy grenades are back. You know how many times I tried throwing a grenade in ME2 only to remember that was ME1, "Dammit!"

And yay for melee improvements. Thank you for a friggin' blade (ala AC--but hey I ain't complainin'). The elbow thing just wasn't working when I was being swarmed by those husks (i don't like those things......and we're having lots more in ME3-shudder).

With the kid scene, it's hard for me to get all emotionally caught up in such a small snippet of game. Now, if I had been playing; fighting for my life; all kinds of horrible monsters--everywhere, then I turn around and Suddenly see this kid hiding like a scared rabbit (and a smart scared rabbit for hiding), it woulda had more impact for me. I think they shoulda saved that lil bit and let us be taken off guard with it.

I think ppl are just really nervous. ME2 was so well received, and now they gotta try and top it. In addition you have the whole DA2 thing hanging like an unholy sword of damocles over the franchise. ppl are skittish, but I think it really comes from the fact that most ppl so enjoyed the first installments, and are Involved with it now. There's an emotional connection to the series, so if BW screws it up, it'll be heartbreaking. Instead of, oh that sucked..wateva--lets trade it in.

No, if they screw it up, there will be nerd anarchy. (but no pressure)

And that's another thing, BW embrace your inner nerd. Stop this unrequited love affair you have w/the CoD fanbase. I know you wanna keep your options open right now, see what else is out there, but, Baby, they don't love you the way we love you. Some CoD er's may see the light, but you'll only ever be their mistress. Your nerd base is ready to make an honest franchise outta you...

Ha!

[exskeeny]

The worst thing about ME1 grenades was that the default throw was "r" on the PC, any shooter fan knows this is reload. Untill I could train myself into not having to reload because of cooldown I had wasted so many grenades....Doh! Everytime I did it I had to stop myself from facepalming.

[Knight_47K]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Looks like one group we will hope to change the minds of as more information on Mass Effect 3 is released.

Dude I was here when you said the same thing about DAII and you were right, the game did change my opinion about itself. I was hyperexited before playing the game and after playing it I had half the mind to send Mr. laid-law a strongly worded letter; something on the lines of what UN sends to countries they think are doing buisness in fissile material.

I am praying to all the gods of my religion which are near about 3.3 million that you do not screw this game. Mass Effect 3 is the most anticipated game from Bioware ever. It can be the biggest flop as well.

[Jimbe2693]

exskeeny wrote...

The worst thing about ME1 grenades was that the default throw was "r" on the PC, any shooter fan knows this is reload. Untill I could train myself into not having to reload because of cooldown I had wasted so many grenades....Doh! Everytime I did it I had to stop myself from facepalming.

You can change keybinds btw. 

[this isnt my name]

Reapinger wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

littlezack wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

It's not improved mechanics, these mechanics were already in use by other games. Bioware, specifically Casey Hudson, is going around acting as if these additions are innovative. The way he talks about the grenades, which were in ME1, the melee assassinations, combat rolls, and kinect voice, you'd assume the man though Bioware came up with that all by themselves.  I know these guys are pretty excited because ME is starting to become more of a shooter, but don't get all surprised when people who actually play shooter games look at you like you're crazy when you're talking about "new" features that they've come to know from many other shooters. If you don't believe me, or the Onion, just check out some of the demo videos on youtube, or the interviews and see the content of the discussion.


-Polite

Casey's a hype man, that's what they do. What, do you expect him to go around telling people 'Yeah, this isn't anything special.' You can't get mad at a guy for pushing his product.

And I'm not. As I said above, I realize that they're really excited about the game. However, don't get offended when the people you show your demos to aren't as impressed with the combat as you would like them to be, because it's been done so many times. It worked with the dialogue wheel back when ME1 came out because it was innovative, however since tps combat isn't anything new, people aren't getting as excited when Casey shows off shepards omni blade, or hand grenade.

-Polite

Have to disagree on the melee not being original... It is innovative to have 2 different melee attacks depending on how long you hold the button and also to have a distinct melee tailored to each class. These are things people have requested and the new gun customization looks really cool too. Not new, but new to the series, which in and of itself is innovative and unique. You can't reinvent the wheel but you can put some spinners on the tires. 

Mass effect didnt re invent the wheel, but taking out the rpg parts, adding shooter parts, isnt the right approach. Also taking out grenades then adding them isnt "new" its just lazy, you may trick a few people though.

Modifié par this isnt my name, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:24 .

[exskeeny]

Jimbe2693 wrote...

exskeeny wrote...

The worst thing about ME1 grenades was that the default throw was "r" on the PC, any shooter fan knows this is reload. Untill I could train myself into not having to reload because of cooldown I had wasted so many grenades....Doh! Everytime I did it I had to stop myself from facepalming.

You can change keybinds btw. 

Yeah I know, I didn't want to go into a great wall of text about me and my stupidity though.

[Phaedon]

Knight_47K wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Looks like one group we will hope to change the minds of as more information on Mass Effect 3 is released.

Dude I was here when you said the same thing about DAII and you were right, the game did change my opinion about itself. I was hyperexited before playing the game and after playing it I had half the mind to send Mr. laid-law a strongly worded letter; something on the lines of what UN sends to countries they think are doing buisness in fissile material.

I am praying to all the gods of my religion which are near about 3.3 million that you do not screw this game. Mass Effect 3 is the most anticipated game from Bioware ever. It can be the biggest flop as well.

UN RES/ GD/ 00133-155


Dear Mr Michael Laidlaw,

A.   Acknowleding your position as Lead Designer of Dragon Age II at BioWare Corporation.


This general assemply:


1.  Condemns the storage of fissile material at the basement of BioWare Corp's Development Studio at Edmonton, Canada,


2.  Strongly encourages assemblying a team of experts to ensure the safe and immedia disposal of the aforementioned material,


3. is Fully Aware that it has no idea what to read in the rest of the resolution.


The Secretary General of the United Nations,
By the way, don't screw Mass Effect 3 up.

Modifié par Phaedon, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:37 .

[Candidate 88766]

I thought the Onion was a satirical website that posted articles to, for want of a better word, troll people.

[Mathias]

Mr.Dioneo wrote...

http://www.avclub.co...-clubs-p,57432/

Judged in light of this game’s huge potential—Mass Effect was reasonably good, and Mass Effect 2 was The A.V. Club’s top game of 2010—the Mass Effect 3
demo was the most disappointing on the show floor. It was awful. The
low point was a scene shown at the end of the presentation. Attendees
were warned beforehand that this sequence would pack an emotional
wallop. It showed the hero of the series, Commander Shepard, trying to
save a boy from an alien invasion. Put it this way: If the scene were
submitted to the Hallmark Channel as a treatment for a Christmas
special, it would be rejected with the note “Too hokey.”
The old: The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the
demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled
on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as
if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane
third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times
before.
The new-ish: The traditional Mass Effect dialogue wheel remains, but with Mass Effect 3,
if you have a Kinect, you can yell your dialogue choices at the TV
rather than using the controller. Jesus Christ, BioWare. Please do not
screw this game up.

Yikes!

I just replayed ME2, and enjoyed it more this time (with the DLC) than I think I did the first two times I played.  Please don't have ME3 be another DA2...
 

I can't take these guys seriously at all. Especially when they're using the words "awful and prattled." Like really Onion? It was AWFUL. OOoooh nooo! It was aawwwfuuul! Gimme a break. This game wouldn't receive (and win) nominations at E3 if this wasn't the case. Plus just watching the demo and you can tell this game's gonna be sweet.

And seriously? The Onion AV Club? Who the hell are these clowns anyway? Most ppl have never heard of them, and for good reason. Do they have any weight in their opinions whatsover in the internet community? 

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 07 juillet 2011 - 12:51 .

[Eurhetemec]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I thought the Onion was a satirical website that posted articles to, for want of a better word, troll people.

The Onion AV club is a moderately well-respected non-satirical media review site.

Their film and TV reviews tend to be their strength, and their game reviews are not something many seek out. Less important/popular than Yahtzee, say, when it comes to games.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 07 juillet 2011 - 01:21 .

[this isnt my name]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.Dioneo wrote...

http://www.avclub.co...-clubs-p,57432/

Judged in light of this game’s huge potential—Mass Effect was reasonably good, and Mass Effect 2 was The A.V. Club’s top game of 2010—the Mass Effect 3
demo was the most disappointing on the show floor. It was awful. The
low point was a scene shown at the end of the presentation. Attendees
were warned beforehand that this sequence would pack an emotional
wallop. It showed the hero of the series, Commander Shepard, trying to
save a boy from an alien invasion. Put it this way: If the scene were
submitted to the Hallmark Channel as a treatment for a Christmas
special, it would be rejected with the note “Too hokey.”
The old: The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the
demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled
on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as
if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane
third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times
before.
The new-ish: The traditional Mass Effect dialogue wheel remains, but with Mass Effect 3,
if you have a Kinect, you can yell your dialogue choices at the TV
rather than using the controller. Jesus Christ, BioWare. Please do not
screw this game up.

Yikes!

I just replayed ME2, and enjoyed it more this time (with the DLC) than I think I did the first two times I played.  Please don't have ME3 be another DA2...
 

I can't take these guys seriously at all. Especially when they're using the words "awful and prattled." Like really Onion? It was AWFUL. OOoooh nooo! It was aawwwfuuul! Gimme a break. This game wouldn't receive (and win) nominations at E3 if this wasn't the case. Plus just watching the demo and you can tell this game's gonna be sweet.

And seriously? The Onion AV Club? Who the hell are these clowns anyway? Most ppl have never heard of them, and for good reason. Do they have any weight in their opinions whatsover in the internet community? 

Awards dont reflect a games quality. MW/CoD win them all the time.

[In Exile]

PiercedMonk wrote...
Are they? Really? If ME3 features a sidescrolling sequence where you jump on turtles and animated mushrooms, will that also be innovative because it's never been in a 'Mass Effect' game before?

Sure. Throw-back to the old platformer days and all that. I don't see why you'd think I'd disagree. That might make ME3 the first game to feature the psychotic breakdown of the protoganist as a different genre of video-game.

Not that I'm going to object to melee kills and grenades and improved third person combat -- currently doing an insanity playthrough of ME1, and the combat is wretchedly tedious -- but they're not inovative, and for BioWare's hype department to pretend like they are is a bit silly. 'Gears of War' will have been out for five years when 'Mass Effect 3' drops and will, most likely, still feature better combat.

The combination of powers + shooter mechanics led to a unique gameplay style that was nothing like Gears. The combat wasn't phenomenal, but it was unique.

Which is fine. I don't think anyone who's a fan of 'Mass Effect' as a serries is a fan because it's such a good cover shooter. A desire to improve upon the combat mechanics is certinally laudable, and I realise that at this point there's probably not much else that Casey Hudson or anyone else wants to give away about the real draw of 'Mass Effect' -- i.e. well above average to excellent story -- but they can't expect anyone to be really excited by, "this game has grenades."

Vanguard charge was a unique feature and aspect of shooters, if we're going to get crazy semantic. The idea that you would play via: your power - shoot - squad power - shoot - squad power - shoot - your power - shoot, to clear the battlefield was, again, unique. Just not great, so expanding on this system could make ME3 a good shooter entirely.

Halo's praised silly, and all it did was add a second regenerating health bar and reskin combat.

Or, to belabour a metaphor put forward early in the thread: You can't reinvent the wheel, but you can put some spinners on the tires. However, if you're the last dude on the block to get spinners, bragging about them isn't going to make you cool.

Again, the combat is not a pure cover shooter. No matter how hard you want to dig your head in the sand.

Modifié par In Exile, 07 juillet 2011 - 01:38 .

[Mathias]

this isnt my name wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr.Dioneo wrote...

http://www.avclub.co...-clubs-p,57432/

Judged in light of this game’s huge potential—Mass Effect was reasonably good, and Mass Effect 2 was The A.V. Club’s top game of 2010—the Mass Effect 3
demo was the most disappointing on the show floor. It was awful. The
low point was a scene shown at the end of the presentation. Attendees
were warned beforehand that this sequence would pack an emotional
wallop. It showed the hero of the series, Commander Shepard, trying to
save a boy from an alien invasion. Put it this way: If the scene were
submitted to the Hallmark Channel as a treatment for a Christmas
special, it would be rejected with the note “Too hokey.”
The old: The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the
demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled
on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as
if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane
third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times
before.
The new-ish: The traditional Mass Effect dialogue wheel remains, but with Mass Effect 3,
if you have a Kinect, you can yell your dialogue choices at the TV
rather than using the controller. Jesus Christ, BioWare. Please do not
screw this game up.

Yikes!

I just replayed ME2, and enjoyed it more this time (with the DLC) than I think I did the first two times I played.  Please don't have ME3 be another DA2...
 

I can't take these guys seriously at all. Especially when they're using the words "awful and prattled." Like really Onion? It was AWFUL. OOoooh nooo! It was aawwwfuuul! Gimme a break. This game wouldn't receive (and win) nominations at E3 if this wasn't the case. Plus just watching the demo and you can tell this game's gonna be sweet.

And seriously? The Onion AV Club? Who the hell are these clowns anyway? Most ppl have never heard of them, and for good reason. Do they have any weight in their opinions whatsover in the internet community? 

Awards dont reflect a games quality. MW/CoD win them all the time.

MW/CoD are still good games though. Even though ppl are growing tired of them.

[In Exile]

Il Divo wrote...
Agreed, but in general the Bioware formula could do with some innovation.

It's been getting old since ME1.

Prelude-->Intro sequence-->Choose your own mission-->Ending.

It simply doesn't make for a very good narrative.

This was the story since (really) BGII. The best variant was NWN & expansions (****ty story except HoTU IMO, but at least it had acts) and JE (because of the fact it had multiple arcs).

[Mann42]

I love the Onion and read it every day, but the Onion AV Club is almost always overly harsh or exaggerative. They may not be directly a part of the satire arm of the Onion, but they certainly write their reviews in extreme terms for entertainment value. I think of it as an inferior Zero Punctuation, despite what they claim it's supposed to be.

I have never taken their reviews very seriously. They want you think they fairly and critically review things, while simultaneously ranting or raving with the intelligence and tone of an over-excited monkey.

Modifié par nexworks, 07 juillet 2011 - 01:46 .

[this isnt my name]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


MW/CoD are still good games though. Even though ppl are growing tired of them.

Re skins with unbalenced multiplayer. Not what I call good games.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I honestly don't see how one can go from the first game being just good and the second being a GotY, to the third game being horrible, seeing how it's more of the same compared to game two.

[AmyBA]

luk4s3d wrote...

Its sad that people will believe almost anything! I suspect he's so pissed off with Bioware over DA2 that he's just gonna say anything they do is crap.

It's just one guys opinion, you should wait till the game comes out if your not sure OP.

This is kind of what ticks me off about some of the reviews I have seen recently.

Many of them have been from people who hated DA2, and are now automatically assuming because Bioware made both, that ME3 is going to be the same as DA2. Nevermind they have two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT teams working on them...

The Mass Effect team has two games behind them already, which is about 6 years of experience for the Mass Effect franchise if you go from when ME1 development started. I think they have a pretty decent idea of what they are doing. Sure, they are changing up a few things, but they have no plans to make such drastic changes as the Dragon Age team did, which the DA team even said was a big risk when they did it.

ME3 still has 9-10 months until release, give it some time and wait until we see more from it before you start to preach doom and gloom about it.

Modifié par AmyBA, 07 juillet 2011 - 01:51 .

[Mathias]

this isnt my name wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


MW/CoD are still good games though. Even though ppl are growing tired of them.

Re skins with unbalenced multiplayer. Not what I call good games.

I agree with you. I hope Battlefield 3 kills Call of Duty. Unfortunately the majority of gamers are still buying into the Call of Duty craze and i gotta acknowledge that.

[Il Divo]

In Exile wrote...

This was the story since (really) BGII. The best variant was NWN & expansions (****ty story except HoTU IMO, but at least it had acts) and JE (because of the fact it had multiple arcs).

Admittedly, I didn't play through Hordes of the Underdark, but didn't NWN follow the Bioware style with the Waterdhavian creatures?

And  I would definitely say that Jade Empire was one of Bioware's more focused stories, and the end-result was a much stronger narrative, as the Imperial City sequence demonstrates.

Modifié par Il Divo, 07 juillet 2011 - 02:00 .

[Kilshrek]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Looks like one group we will hope to change the minds of as more information on Mass Effect 3 is released.

Not necessarily, sir, as DA 2 and ME 2 to some extent have made me wary of Bioware titles these days. Of course I'm just a drop in the ocean and all that jazz, and my one purchase(or lack of) doesn't carry the same weight as the 100 purchases made on the promise of awesome buttons.

In any event ME 3 may well be the last "loyal"(heh) pre-order, simply because I'm in it to finish up Shep's story.

[this isnt my name]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

this isnt my name wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...


MW/CoD are still good games though. Even though ppl are growing tired of them.

Re skins with unbalenced multiplayer. Not what I call good games.

I agree with you. I hope Battlefield 3 kills Call of Duty. Unfortunately the majority of gamers are still buying into the Call of Duty craze and i gotta acknowledge that.

I agree. Hope BF3 kills Cod, CoD is jsut recycling the same thing, that shouldnt be getting lots of money for selling the same product.

BF3 may be better but it likely wont topple CoD some CoD players play it then quit becuase "the sniping isnt realistic" becuase they werent taking bullet drop into account.

Still we are going off topic.

[Xewaka]

TexasToast712 wrote...
WHo cares? Anyone who bases their decision to buy something based on what others say is a moron.

So we should simply buy everything blindly based on gut reaction rather than make an informed decision on wether a product fits or not our needs and wants? Most people do not have that kind of disposable income to waste nilly-willy without thought or information.

Modifié par Xewaka, 07 juillet 2011 - 02:18 .