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Mr.Dioneo wrote...


The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times before.


Well yes, based on the E3 footage, Mass Effect 3 barely looks distinguishable from you average TPS shooter gallery games.

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Khayness wrote...

Mr.Dioneo wrote...


The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times before.


Well yes, based on the E3 footage, Mass Effect 3 barely looks distinguishable from you average TPS shooter gallery games.


Obligatory on-rails shooting sequence against an enemy that can't be destroyed, check. IIRC I did that back in MW too. Different shooter, yes, same old idea, yes.

At least Ilos had you make a mad dash towards the "secret" relay. The more ME changes, the more it decides to shed uniqueness for sameness, at least that's how it seems to me.

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Seriously, did he look at the awards?

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The Onion sucks and most of their videos are complaining over things I like anyways. I would not trust their judgement, especially with my favorite series.

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Il Divo wrote...
Admittedly, I didn't play through Hordes of the Underdark, but didn't NWN follow the Bioware style with the Waterdhavian creatures?


Not exactly. You didn't get to pick where you went Act wise - you pursued the creatures in the same order, with variations on what to do within an Act. It was like a crude version of JE.

And hilarously enough, a big part of that is how rushed the story was.

And  I would definitely say that Jade Empire was one of Bioware's more focused stories, and the end-result was a much stronger narrative, as the Imperial City sequence demonstrates.


Absolutely. It's a shame the JE team never got the magic back, even when some of them worked toghether to develop DA2 (Laidlaw was a lead writer & designer on JE). In fact, when you think about it, DA2 really tries to involve a lot of JE's spirit in the DA setting.

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Xewaka wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
WHo cares? Anyone who bases their decision to buy something based on what others say is a moron.

So we should simply buy everything blindly based on gut reaction rather than make an informed decision on wether a product fits or not our needs and wants? Most people do not have that kind of disposable income to waste nilly-willy without thought or information.


I'm not going to let something a couple of guys said for a demo about a game that doesn't count until almost a year alter my purchasing habits, especially when I rather liked what I saw of the demo myself. They're entitled to their opinion, but this is all old news - we've all seen this demo in action before; you were either impressed with it or you weren't. Why should what these guys say about it a month later change how you feel?

Gaining consensus on the quality of a game is fine, to a point, but if there's one thing the internet has no shortage of, it's opinions. They're a dime a dozen, and if you look hard enough, you'll find them all over the range for just about any game. Ultimately, the core of your decision should be about what you want and your tastes, not the thoughts of others. You know Mass Effect and ME2, you've got a great stream of information telling you what to expect, put it all together and make your choice.

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Like a lot of people have already said here, the Onion doesn't like the demo. But a lot of people here have seen the same demo and liked it. I pretty much preordered it after I saw the demo and heard the collector's edition was the last edition to be announced and no others would follow.

So.. I could go with what the guys on the Onion say.. or I could go with my gut feeling on what I say (which is the same footage). Personally, I'm happy to make up my own mind. The only difference, I don't have a website that I can proclaim to the world about. I'm not a journalist, or press.. and I don't want to be.

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isnt the Onion just a satirical newspaper anyways?

i dont think anyone should be taking this seriously. even tho ME3 will prolly not be as good as it should have been.

it looked more like ME2:episode 2, rather then ME3.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:14 .


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exskeeny wrote...
Not at all, but you cannot judge a whole game on a demo and marketing speak.I always reserve full opinion on a game until I play it.

You will find that this demo is long before the game goes gold so is likely to change. If it doesn't I will judge the entire scene in context.


Isn't this what they said about DA2? :D  hehe, sorry, couldn't resist....

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Nozybidaj wrote...

exskeeny wrote...
Not at all, but you cannot judge a whole game on a demo and marketing speak.I always reserve full opinion on a game until I play it.

You will find that this demo is long before the game goes gold so is likely to change. If it doesn't I will judge the entire scene in context.


Isn't this what they said about DA2? :D  hehe, sorry, couldn't resist....


Eh, that's a strawman at this point. The DA2 demo was drastically different from DAO, ME3 isn't making such a large leap but seems to be pulling the strengths from both ME1 and ME2, both of which are good, but still flawed games in many areas.

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javierabegazo wrote...

 ME3 isn't making such a large leap but seems to be pulling the strengths from both ME1 and ME2, both of which are good, but still flawed games in many areas.


ME2 is flawed in many areas now as well?  I know I don't come around here much any more, but man, that's quite a swing in perceptions for this forum. Not unexpected though I suppose. :P

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Nozybidaj wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

 ME3 isn't making such a large leap but seems to be pulling the strengths from both ME1 and ME2, both of which are good, but still flawed games in many areas.


ME2 is flawed in many areas now as well?  I know I don't come around here much any more, but man, that's quite a swing in perceptions for this forum. Not unexpected though I suppose. :P


Oh Nozy :P

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so the onion, the place that thought up of things like "the world of world of warcraft" and the very bad (ie not funny) MW3 "preview" back after MW2 came out says something is bad? ok then maybe I missed where the onions opinion was finally relevant....

WoWoW
MW3

Modifié par vader da slayer, 07 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .


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Phaedon wrote...


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Chris Priestly wrote...

Looks like one group we will hope to change the minds of as more information on Mass Effect 3 is released. :)

:devil:


Dude I was here when you said the same thing about DAII and you were right, the game did change my opinion about itself. I was hyperexited before playing the game and after playing it I had half the mind to send Mr. laid-law a strongly worded letter; something on the lines of what UN sends to countries they think are doing buisness in fissile material.

I am praying to all the gods of my religion which are near about 3.3 million that you do not screw this game. Mass Effect 3 is the most anticipated game from Bioware ever. It can be the biggest flop as well.

UN RES/ GD/ 00133-155


Dear Mr Michael Laidlaw,

A.   Acknowleding your position as Lead Designer of Dragon Age II at BioWare Corporation.


This general assemply:


1.  Condemns the storage of fissile material at the basement of BioWare Corp's Development Studio at Edmonton, Canada,


2.  Strongly encourages assemblying a team of experts to ensure the safe and immedia disposal of the aforementioned material,


3. is Fully Aware that it has no idea what to read in the rest of the resolution.


The Secretary General of the United Nations,
By the way, don't screw Mass Effect 3 up.



LOL

Something like that. I keep thinking about that scene in Team America when Kim Jong feeds the UN representative to the sharks. I don't know whether MR. Laidlaw has a large aquarium filled with great whites and I rather not find out.

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the article's opinion is based off of the same footage that we've all seen already. they're entitled to their own opinion, but if you liked it then there's no reason this article should dissuade you at all.

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Imdrunkontea wrote...

the article's opinion is based off of the same footage that we've all seen already. they're entitled to their own opinion, but if you liked it then there's no reason this article should dissuade you at all.


Somewhat, but I think they saw an extended version of the demo. We never got to see the transport leave and the kid die.

-Polite

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They never saw the boy die, either.

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Jaron Oberyn

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My mistake then, I thought they were shown that version of the trailer.

-Polite

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It's all a matter of opinion. Personally, knowing that it's the Onion, half of it is flat out sarcasm.

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The game is still in development, and there's a lot of expectation. I think we should just be patient, and wait until March to decide.

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Kilshrek wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Mr.Dioneo wrote...


The sad-little-boy sequence was the worst of the demo, but the rest was almost as bad, as director Casey Hudson prattled on about combat features like mêlée assassinations and hand grenades as if they were exciting innovations, rather than mundane third-person-shooter staples that gamers have seen countless times before.


Well yes, based on the E3 footage, Mass Effect 3 barely looks distinguishable from you average TPS shooter gallery games.


Obligatory on-rails shooting sequence against an enemy that can't be destroyed, check. IIRC I did that back in MW too. Different shooter, yes, same old idea, yes.

At least Ilos had you make a mad dash towards the "secret" relay. The more ME changes, the more it decides to shed uniqueness for sameness, at least that's how it seems to me.


As long as the on rails sequence isn't the breadth of the game i have no problem with somethng like that when facing a 200ft tall reaper.  I mean did you think the vindicator or rocket launcher would put a dent in that thing?

In order to face such large foes in a game thats primarily on foot it would needed to be done either that way, a vehicle segment (which i'm sure we'll get) or through a cutscene of some sort.  Personally i'd rather an on-rails section or a cutscene to showcase the battle and set pieces myself

As for the Ilos section... you were just driving.  Not facing a freakin reaper.

Still dont see how that's shedding uniqueness for sameness...  i mean how else is shepard going to take a reaper out on foot (and barring a saren-like body link double... that still makes no sense to me...)?

Also 9 months from release what else are they gonna show?I mean honestly a majority of the game is spent in combat in both 1 and 2... why would 3 be any different?  Besides I as much as I like ME series conversations.  A trailer with random snippets of conversations (so they dont spoil anything) would be terribly dull.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 07 juillet 2011 - 10:27 .


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Who cares if the combat isn't innovative? There wasn't much wrong with it in ME2... it did have the boring arena combat theme all too often; sealed in big room w/ praetorian or ymir mech, ambushed by waves of husks etc.. For a shooter it's somewhat forgivable. As long as BioWare nails the story & voice acting it'll be a great game.

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While I love the Onion and I frequent the AV Club, I have to say that the writing staff of the AV Club are a pretty pretentious lot.  They do a good job at trying to hide it, but it's there.  The real topic of every article on the AV Club is how smart the author is.   Whatever the article is talking about is just a means to let the authors let us know how awesome they think they are.  Unless BioWare introduces some kind of new game mechanic that the AV Writers (and only them) can recognize as the absolute next big thing so they can write up how smart they are by pointing out that fact then the game will probably get a bad review.  Well, if a game is being released and less than 10 people in the world know about it then it may get a good review too, just so the writers can show how hip they are to the underground video game scene.

That being said if you can put up with some passive-aggressive pretentiousness there are some pretty entertaining articles on that site.  

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I like how they complain about the "not innovative shooter mechanics" yet ME2 was great to them... Did they play the same game? I would kill for good shooer mechanics... Not that its bad or that ME3s look innovative but we're talking Mass Effect here. Where we used to have shoot cooldown shoot cooldown add infinity. The melee and stealth stuff looks great considering what we used to have. Besides this is a game that focuses more on the story. If I wanted manly man shooting I'd play the thousands of crappy story shooters out there.

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ZOMG!>! Teh man in da articlezzz saizz dat da game izz terbles!! I'z is at da borders of teh insanitah. Must canzel all uv teh preorderzz.

/sarcasm
(if you couldnt tell)

Modifié par ChuckNorris18, 07 juillet 2011 - 11:42 .