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[lucia 123]

This is probably old news and has been discussed somewhere on here months ago, But.....  I just found out about Meredith's Sister?  

On my 4th playthrough, and this is the first time Hawke 'really' sides with the Templars instead of trying to be neutral/on the fence.

So its Meredith instead of Orsino who sends for Hawke to do the Best Served Cold quest.

On questioning her, Meredith tells Hawke about her timid sister Amelia who was a mage and how she (Meredith), and her family protected her from the circle because they knew she wouldnt survive it.  Amelia becomes possessed and kills her entire family and Meredith barely escapes with her life. Then Amelia goes on to kill 70 innocent people be4 the Templars bring her down.
I kind of see Meredith in a whole new light now.    

[Sajuro]

Never heard that, makes me like Meredith more now.

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

I ran into that conversation in one of my play throughs. It puts her thinking and priorities into perspective. You don't have to agree with the decisions she made later on in life, but it's clear that she didn't have the views she does for no good reason.

The idol/lyrium-sword just amplified those feelings by 100 making her aggressive and paranoid, but you can see a wee bit of the old Meredith peek out sometimes:

"I tried to have sympathy! Maker knows, I've tried! But how can we allow them freedom when so many would use it to commit atrocities?"

It's easy to paint her as the boogie-man (eh, woman) but there is more to her than that.

[lucia 123]

Sajuro wrote...

Never heard that, makes me like Meredith more now.

It made me feel sorry for her. During the conversation she admits Hawke is the only one who will 'answer her call' and no one will believe there is a conspiracy afoot between the Mages and Templars.  She came across as lonely.

As my Hawke is now bitter and twisted because Mega Mental Mage cut of her mothers head and sowed it on someone elses body (badly) - she's going to be Meredith's bff. :innocent:

[Tirfan]

... Okay, this makes no sense then again, I hear about this, shouldn't I be able to go tell Grand Cleric Elthina about it? Even she should most likely see that a person with a past like this probably isn't the best choice to put in a position of authority over mages, the chances are she is going to snap one day or the other...

[lucia 123]

@ DaiyoukaiGeisha

Agree completely. And she admits that its guilt and fear for the same thing happening to others that makes her so hard. I'm glad there's more to her than meets the eye.

[Nerevar-as]

I still don´t understand how someone with such background got so high in the Templar order. In the end she only managed to cause an uprising in the Chantry controlled world.

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

Tirfan wrote...

... Okay, this makes no sense then again, I hear about this, shouldn't I be able to go tell Grand Cleric Elthina about it? Even she should most likely see that a person with a past like this probably isn't the best choice to put in a position of authority over mages, the chances are she is going to snap one day or the other...

It's highly possible that the Grand Cleric already knows about Meredith's past. Should you be able to talk to Elthina about it? Probably, but I seriously doubt Elthina would change her neutral stance and force the Knight-Commander to resign over a tragic past.

Nerevar-as wrote...

I still don´t understand how someone
with such background got so high in the Templar order. In the end she
only managed to cause an uprising in the Chantry controlled world.

It's called "politics"   We don't know all of Meredith's backstory. She could have been seen as the epitome of Templar uberness before she became Knight-Commander.

Not for nothing, but Cullen wasn't exactly playing with a full deck after he left Ferelden and then became Knight-Captain. He was deeply troubled by what happened at the Ferelden Circle, but he snapped out of it.

Modifié par DaiyoukaiGeisha, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:28 .

[Nerevar-as]

DaiyoukaiGeisha wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I still don´t understand how someone
with such background got so high in the Templar order. In the end she
only managed to cause an uprising in the Chantry controlled world.

It's called "politics"   We don't know all of Meredith's backstory. She could have been seen as the epitome of Templar uberness before she became Knight-Commander.

Not for nothing, but Cullen wasn't exactly playing with a full deck after he left Ferelden and then became Knight-Captain. He was deeply troubled by what happened at the Ferelden Circle, but he snapped out of it.

I hope whoever put her in charger was still alive and got rewarded for the success of such a choice. It says something about the Kirkwall templars that Cullen is among the sanest of them.

[Sons of Horus]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I still don´t understand how someone with such background got so high in the Templar order. In the end she only managed to cause an uprising in the Chantry controlled world.

Something to do with the previous viscount I think, He killed the knight commander at that time, who didn't wish to involve the templar’s in Kirkwall’s affairs. Meredith killed him I think, then became the new knight commander. Its in the codex.

Modifié par Sons of Horus, 06 juillet 2011 - 09:34 .

[lucia 123]

It obviously made her 'super vigilant' with the Mages because of her sister. She wouldn't have missed a thing. Guess that would have made her the perfect Templar. Maybe the Grand Cleric knew of her past and recognised Meredith would do everything within her power to never let the 'innocent' suffer at the hands of Blood/Possessed mages again.

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

Sons of Horus wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

I still don´t understand how someone with such background got so high in the Templar order. In the end she only managed to cause an uprising in the Chantry controlled world.

Something to do with the previous viscount I think, He killed the knight commander at that time, who didn't wish to involve the templar’s in Kirkwall’s affairs. Meredith killed him I think, then became the new knight commander. Its in the codex.

For the curious:

http://dragonage.wik...mander_Meredith

[Rifneno]

Psychopaths usually have reason for being psychotic. My only regret about Meredith remains the same: that she should've been tortured until she begged for death before it was granted.

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

Rifneno wrote...

Psychopaths usually have reason for being psychotic. My only regret about Meredith remains the same: that she should've been tortured until she begged for death before it was granted.

Oddly, I still feel that way about Anora. Actually, I'm still bitter I couldn't kill her period.

[lucia 123]

DaiyoukaiGeisha wrote...

For the curious:

http://dragonage.wik...mander_Meredith

"What other option do we have? Shall we look the other way? Tell the poor victims of a possessed mage that we meant no harm?''

That line says it all for me. Its all about her sister and guilt.

[Nerevar-as]

lucia 123 wrote...

DaiyoukaiGeisha wrote...

For the curious:

http://dragonage.wik...mander_Meredith

"What other option do we have? Shall we look the other way? Tell the poor victims of a possessed mage that we meant no harm?''

That line says it all for me. Its all about her sister and guilt.

Yet she misses that if the Circle solution wasn´t as it is (or rather was), her sister would have received proper training
and wasn´t likely to have been possessed. So little vision. What would she say to the people who will get caught in the mage templar war? We screwed the mages as hard as we could to protect you. We meant no harm, who could have guessed they´d decide enough was enough?

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Yet she misses that if the Circle solution wasn´t as it is (or rather was), her sister would have received proper training
and wasn´t likely to have been possessed.

I think she gets that. I don't think she believes that the Circle solution doesn't work, I think she believes that it needs to be stricter.

So little vision. What would she say to the people who will get caught in the mage templar war? We screwed the mages as hard as we could to protect you. We meant no harm, who could have guessed they´d decide enough was enough?

From her point of view it wasn't the templars that forced the war, but the mages. A mage blew up the Chantry. A mage killed Elthina. A mage (Orsino) is harboring blood mages (she believes). She'd easily see the death and harm done to the people as a product of the mages doing exactly what she kept warning people about.

Does she lack vision? Well, yeah...but she's not alone in that regard.

Modifié par DaiyoukaiGeisha, 06 juillet 2011 - 10:17 .

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

Psychopaths usually have reason for being psychotic. My only regret about Meredith remains the same: that she should've been tortured until she begged for death before it was granted.

What I'm wondering is this: What if she just hates mages and never had a sister? What if the idol made her make that up and she actually believes it?

[DaiyoukaiGeisha]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Psychopaths usually have reason for being psychotic. My only regret about Meredith remains the same: that she should've been tortured until she begged for death before it was granted.

What I'm wondering is this: What if she just hates mages and never had a sister? What if the idol made her make that up and she actually believes it?

LOL, that's a whole new level of crazy then!

Idol: *Psst* Don't weaken! Remember your brother!
Meredith: I thought I had a sister?
Idol: Right, I said sister! Remember your sister!

[lucia 123]

Nerevar-as wrote...

lucia 123 wrote...

DaiyoukaiGeisha wrote...

For the curious:

http://dragonage.wik...mander_Meredith

"What other option do we have? Shall we look the other way? Tell the poor victims of a possessed mage that we meant no harm?''

That line says it all for me. Its all about her sister and guilt.

Yet she misses that if the Circle solution wasn´t as it is (or rather was), her sister would have received proper training
and wasn´t likely to have been possessed. So little vision. What would she say to the people who will get caught in the mage templar war? We screwed the mages as hard as we could to protect you. We meant no harm, who could have guessed they´d decide enough was enough?

Well over the years she has 'lost' it - no denying that.  But imo the reason she lost it was because of her sister- the experience festering inside her .  She was young, It left her an Orphan, she lost everything.  I took her statement that her  'family didnt think her sister was strong enough to survive the circle'  to be the Harrowing.  

Didnt Wynne say she loved the circle - that it was home.  Not all the circles were completely bad.  Well Anders circle obviously was if you listen to him.   And Meredith screwed Kirkwalls up.  She should have been kicked out by the Grand Cleric - no question. But, I like the fact that there is a story behind Meredith and she's not just some random whako.

[Nerevar-as]

I feel sorry for her to a point. But it´s the kind of "sorry for what happened to you, now die". Hadn´t felt that for a character since Cavil´s "I don´t want to be human" speech in BSG.

[Pugzley]

lucia 123 wrote...

This is probably old news and has been discussed somewhere on here months ago, But.....  I just found out about Meredith's Sister?  

On my 4th playthrough, and this is the first time Hawke 'really' sides with the Templars instead of trying to be neutral/on the fence.

So its Meredith instead of Orsino who sends for Hawke to do the Best Served Cold quest.

On questioning her, Meredith tells Hawke about her timid sister Amelia who was a mage and how she (Meredith), and her family protected her from the circle because they knew she wouldnt survive it.  Amelia becomes possessed and kills her entire family and Meredith barely escapes with her life. Then Amelia goes on to kill 70 innocent people be4 the Templars bring her down.
I kind of see Meredith in a whole new light now.    

And it makes it all the sweeter when I put her out of her misery at the end of the game.

[DreamerM]

If they wanted Meredith's backstory to matter, they shouldn't have required you to unwaveringly support confirmed torturers, abusers, and rapists in order to learn it.

[TJPags]

Right, this is like saying someone who's sister was raped should never be allowed to become a cop.

Really, I get that people don't like the Templars, but let's not go crazy, okay?