megski wrote...
Maybe I need a refresher, but what actions through out act one and two are Meredith a part of? I'm not being a smart ass either. I can't remember Meredith committing a horendous atrocity. I just remember people saying she was tightening her grip and that is it. Is there some codex I missed about something she did?
It's hard to say conclusively, since she doesn't appear until there's a gecko frantically trying to cancel the Arishok's life insurance policy. But Thrask says her draconian rule has likely caused more problems than it's prevented (paraphrased, I don't recall exact wording). She was also BFF's with Ser Karras, the only templar to rival Alrik in number of players wishing to love him long time with a serrated greataxe. The Meredith/Chantry/whatever defenders will always point out there's no concrete evidence that Meredith knew about the rapes, murders, and illegal tranquilities those two templars (and doubtlessly many others) were up to. But the same was said about OJ Simpson. I find it more than a little difficult to believe she never got wind of any wrongdoing, and considering how she turned out herself...
There are of course other passing mentions of abuse. In the prologue, while Hawke is still with the refugees stuck in the Gallows before the year of service, if you go to a few specific spots you can hear someone being beaten or whipped. No explanation given. A random dialogue from an unnamed mage in the Gallows later on has her telling Hawke not to speak with her because, "The templars will give me thirty lashes for speaking to a civilian." I've heard of another one where a tranquil shopkeeper will ask Hawke not to steal anything because the templars will whip her (the shopkeep) for it. What sick freak tortures a tranquil? Because they got something stolen from them, no less?
Lastly, I'll note that most of the templars don't really notice that Meredith has gone mad. When Bartrand started feeding pieces of his servants to them, they knew he had totally lost his mind. Meredith only drew attention from her peers because she was reclusive all of a sudden and she was talking to someone in her office when no one was there. As far as a sudden change in her treatment of the mages, nobody really comments. So apparently "everyday Meredith" is so close to "stark raving mad and being controlled by an ancient evil beyond comprehension Meredith" are so close that nobody really noticed.
In Geisha's defense, you do seem really, really angry. That's the tone I get from your writing, I'm guessing that's not intended though.
Not really, no. I'm just naturally sarcastic. I don't even notice I'm doing it, and rarely mean anything by it. Couple years ago I hurt my leg and spent a while walking with a cane. Lots of House jokes. Still not sure if that was an insult or a compliment.
megski wrote...
But see, it is a Templar's job to kill mages, thats why their job is a difficult one. It takes a special person to decide when a sword of mercy is needed. I compared the experience in Kirwall with the one I perviously had with the circle in Ferelden, and going from Gregoir to Meredith is quite the extreme.
I guess I'm not seeing the problem with some one's past affecting what they see in the present. I don't think that leads directly to hate. If that makes sense? I just try to see good in everyone. I see that Meredith's sister affected her and I imagine that maybe she tried to convince families with the story of her sister to turn their loved one over to the circle in the beginning. Kind of like how Loghain was a hero in the beginning, and I think it was you that compared them earlier. At any rate, she is a good example of virtues being warped into something wrong. It makes me think about Thrask too, you know he saw his daughter in every desperate mage. LIke I said, I'm just trying to see the good, I think it WAS there at some point.
I don't think anyone is saying that anyone with a negative past involving mages should be automatically disqualified. We're saying it's pretty clear that her past has left her... damaged. And as such, she's pretty much the last person that should be in charge of The Big Red Button™. Some people are strong enough to overcome past experiences and turn out to be damn good at the job. Meredith is
not one of those people and I find it extremely difficult to believe that that wasn't evident when Elthina appointed her.
Wolfborn Son wrote...
Although I agree she'd do it quietly and not in the open, I don't really think she'd turn a blind eye if she saw rape and torture. Even when everything was going to hell in a handbasket, she showed a hint of regret concerning the actions she was going to take - and that was after the corruption of the Idol. Before that, we really didn't get a chance to see her but considering the evil artifact played as much of a part in the climax as anything else, I'd wager to say that even if she was a little ruthless she wasn't a total monester.
I don't believe a word of her "it breaks my heart :(" speech. She's full of crap. Only minutes later she says she's "eager" to Annul the Circle in a voice that's giddier than a virgin on prom night. That's pretty much a complete turn around. More likely she was just trying to make herself out to be more reasonable than she is. Most people don't really care for monsters.
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" speech. She's full of crap. Only minutes later she says she's "eager" to Annul the Circle in a voice that's giddier than a virgin on prom night. That's pretty much a complete turn around. More likely she was just trying to make herself out to be more reasonable than she is. Most people don't really care for monsters.
