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[Sons of Horus]

Do you think they have a huge intelligence network throughout Thedas ? How can they bring large groups of troops covertly to Kirkwall ? Or locate individuals like Fenris ? How did they contact Teyrn Loghain to loan him cash/weapons during the blight in return for elf slaves ?

Is their a network of spies/agents or do you think they would resort to some kind of magic?

[whykikyouwhy]

The black market and smuggling thrive in Tevinter, so I would imagine that there is a large intelligence network in play - spies and allies are most likely planted everywhere from the lowliest hovel to the royal chambers. Couple that with the mages in both the government and military who probably use magical means to gather information as well - probably similar to Idunna's methods of "coercion."
Or maybe scrying exists in Thedas. Something akin to the Eluvian. Or GPS.

[hoorayforicecream]

Slavery is really big business in Thedas. If memory serves, the slaves that Isabela freed would have fetched around 100 sovereigns apiece. If they are that valuable, it shouldn't be surprising that the slave trade is very lucrative (and also indicates just how wealthy the tevinter magisters are). If you've got that much gold at your disposal, you've probably got enough to buy the information you want.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 06 juillet 2011 - 11:51 .

[TJPags]

It really wasn't hard to find Loghain, you know.  He was sitting in Denerim, running the country (into the ground ).  There's really not much of a mystery there.

Finding Fenris?  He's an escaped slave.  He was being chased.  Is it that hard to find a broody elf covered in Lyrium tattoos?  Not many of them running around, are there?

[DRTJR]

Maybe Slave owners keep Phylacteries of their slaves to track them similarly to Templars

[Tails_Night]

Simple you got spies, magic, and with enough ale, fear, lust, or money, just about anyone could and will talk.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

DRTJR wrote...

Maybe Slave owners keep Phylacteries of their slaves to track them similarly to Templars

I always thought that myself.

[Fast Jimmy]

Agreed. The description of an emo elf, not living in the Alienage, covered in glowing tattoos, carrying around a nine foot sword... I mean, people would tend to notice him wherever he went.

[Sons of Horus]

I’m doubtful the source was "rumour" because he was able to move such a large force of troops in a short space of time, Also that were undetected by the viscount (assuming he didn’t bribe him), Meredith ( who would be opposed to mages of Tevinter running amok in the city), The chantry and I assume the Kirkwall guard.

That what has lead me to think that Tevinter may be far more powerful than anyone realises, and could have access to either a huge spy network like the Qun or scrying exists in Thedas idea. "Slave owners keep Phylacteries" may work but I thought it had limited range.

[Rifneno]

OMG, I never thought about the templars in regard to Danarius. Wouldn't that be a perfect fate for him? Manage to take him alive and give him to Meredith. Hopefully she wouldn't execute him flat out and he'd get an opportunity to learn about slavery from the other end.

[Xilizhra]

I’m doubtful the source was "rumour" because he was able to move such a large force of troops in a short space of time, Also that were undetected by the viscount (assuming he didn’t bribe him), Meredith ( who would be opposed to mages of Tevinter running amok in the city), The chantry and I assume the Kirkwall guard.

Danarius only had two squads with him; most of his reinforcements were demons, and he didn't show up for three years after Hadriana. I think his source for his appearance was Varania ratting Fenris out.

OMG, I never thought about the templars in regard to Danarius. Wouldn't that be a perfect fate for him? Manage to take him alive and give him to Meredith. Hopefully she wouldn't execute him flat out and he'd get an opportunity to learn about slavery from the other end.

You'd want Meredith to win out over Danarius? I'm surprised; I'd have thought you'd prefer having him enslave her.

[TEWR]

I'm sure Danarius was once a slave himself (especially given his Elven blood since he has the same type of ears Feynriel has). Remember that the Magisters enslave everyone. Human, Elf, (possibly) Dwarf, mage, and non-mage alike.

He was probably once a slave and rose up to become a Magister. If so, I doubt he cares about slavery. Even if he had to live through it again as a Circle Mage, he probabl wouldn't care.

Additionally, he'd probably end up using blood magic in the Circle to escape if he was left alive. He'd have to be made Tranquil, abused, and then be un-Tranquiled just to have him be abused like a slave again.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 26 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Sons of Horus]

Xilizhra wrote...

I’m doubtful the source was "rumour" because he was able to move such a large force of troops in a short space of time, Also that were undetected by the viscount (assuming he didn’t bribe him), Meredith ( who would be opposed to mages of Tevinter running amok in the city), The chantry and I assume the Kirkwall guard.

Danarius only had two squads with him; most of his reinforcements were demons, and he didn't show up for three years after Hadriana. I think his source for his appearance was Varania ratting Fenris out.

Don't forget that he was able to bring a horde of Tevinter troops that located Fenris in Kirkwall and set up a trap for him. Danarius knew Fenris was near or in Kirkwall area somehow to make his minions locate his bodyguard.
Varania I guess was only used when his aprentice failed.

I really hope it was either spies or some form of scrying otherwise its just another plot hole .

[Dutchess]

Well, Fenris has been squatting Danarius' mansion for years. Hawke can comment that Danarius must know Fenris is there. Fenris also says Danarius has a way of tracking him, and suggests it may be the markings, but he doesn't know for sure. I think Danarius knew all along that Fenris was still in Kirkwall.

[Megaton_Hope]

Sons of Horus wrote...
How did they contact Teyrn Loghain to loan him cash/weapons during the blight in return for elf slaves ?

What, really? How did representatives of a foreign government contact the Regent of Ferelden? Letters, probably. "We wish to meet your grace urgently on matters of greatest import. All will profit greatly thereby."

Finding a single noteworthy individual in a city probably just requires a little interrogation and bribery. Much like how Loghain located the Warden in Lothering, without ever knowing that he'd done so. Send out the men, have them ask around; sooner or later you find somebody who knows something. More men, more information, quicker leads.

[WhiteKnyght]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Slavery is really big business in Thedas. If memory serves, the slaves that Isabela freed would have fetched around 100 sovereigns apiece. If they are that valuable, it shouldn't be surprising that the slave trade is very lucrative (and also indicates just how wealthy the tevinter magisters are). If you've got that much gold at your disposal, you've probably got enough to buy the information you want.

It's not just Tevinter. Rich people and noblemen from various countries in Thedas keep slaves. They just have to keep quiet about it.

Castillion for example was an Antivan slaver. And Zevran mentioned that the Antivan Crows buy children to train as assassins. Meaning Zevran was pretty much a slave to the Crows.

[Xilizhra]

Are you sure Castillon wasn't Orlesian? The name sounds much more French than Spanish. Though Orlais and Antiva do both practice slavery.

[TEWR]

The wiki says he's Antivan, but the name is indeed French. There was a Battle of Castillon in 1453 between the French and English during the Hundred Years' War.

[Xilizhra]

Heck, maybe he was an Orlesian-born slave raised in Antiva who worked his way up.

[TEWR]

I was thinking more along the lines of him having an Orlesian and Antivan parent each and was born in Antiva.

But your scenario's just as likely.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 27 février 2012 - 04:36 .

[Cismontane]

Also, I suspect that populations are a lot smaller than current times. Medieval Europe had maybe 50 million people in 1450, from Russia to Spain. England had 2.5 million. London had 75,000 people. Kirkwall's probably about the same size. It's much harder to get lost with those numbers, and it sounds to me like Tevinter is really big with the spy craft.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Isn't Castillon the province on the border between France and Spain, and hence Basque in origin?