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[darknoon5]

A film isn't a necessity, food is. God, that was an awful comparison.

On to the rest, being catered to the masses doesn't mean a bad film. See Avatar and the new Star Trek.

Seriously, I'm glad that the franchise can open out to as many people as possible. All these bloody elitists, "MASS EFFECT SHOULD BE PC EXCLUSIVE!!!!" (even though it was originally a PC game) "MASS EFFECT IS JUST FOR THE COD FPS IDIOTS" (even though it was always a TPS-RPG hybrid) and now people want a film tailored to them, all 2million fans. Which is ironic, because the film will suck if it is aimed at them becuase that crowd is not big enough to demand a decent budget therefore the film will be poorer.

Modifié par darknoon5, 09 juillet 2011 - 03:54 .

[Rovay]

darknoon5 wrote...

 Which is ironic, because the film will suck if it is aimed at them becuase that crowd is not big enough to demand a decent budget therefore the film will be poorer.

Also, so called 'true' fans would still hate said film for whatever reason they can think of.

[CaptainZaysh]

Terror_K wrote...

Why not? Why exactly is it selfish for a Mass Effect and sci-fi fan to want just one little movie to come along and actually be catered to them instead of the oceans of masses out there who have films made for them on a damn near weekly basis? 

It's selfish to want them to make a $140m movie solely for the enjoyment of a tiny elitist clique, who will never buy enough tickets to repay the filmmakers for their hard work and investment.

[Kusy]

darknoon5 wrote...
On to the rest, being catered to the masses doesn't mean a bad film. See Avatar and the new Star Trek.

Funny you use a really stupid movie with good special effects and... ... ... a bad movie to prove your point about those movies not being bad.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Terror_K wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Oh stop  with the overexaggerated comparisons!

Also your statement doesn't even apply correctly to the situation. SMH

Why not? Why exactly is it selfish for a Mass Effect and sci-fi fan to want just one little movie to come along and actually be catered to them instead of the oceans of masses out there who have films made for them on a damn near weekly basis? Why is it selfish for an existing fan to expect a movie based on an IP they like to be made to cater to them more than for a bunch of people who haven't even heard of it before in most cases?

Seriously... I don't get the mentality of some people. I really don't. To essentially say that "the end justifies the means" and that it's worth Mass Effect no longer being Mass Effect anymore and taking a huge step backwards just for the sake of succeeding in the eyes of the mass public. To sabotage an IP deliberately for the sake of everybody enjoying it as much as you. It seriously makes the original Twilight Zone look damn right accurate in so many ways: you could base a whole episode around it:

(Sci-fi fan plays Mass Effect for the first time)
Fan: This is great! I want Mass Effect to be loved by the world, no matter what!
(Fan watches TV)
Reporter: Hit video game Mass Effect is being made into a movie, as a direct adaptation of the games.
Fan: Yes! Just what I wanted! Now everybody will love it as much as me!
(Fan goes to movie)
Fan: What is this? This isn't Mass Effect?! Saren didn't kill Shepard's parents and turians don't have feathers! Why is Ashley in high heels with her boobs half out?! Everything is so rushed! Oh, geez... Sovereign just outright explained the Reapers' whole purpose right there! This is awful!
(Fan watches TV)
Reporter: Mass Effect does wonders at the box office, paving the way for the franchise. Its massive popularity will see three sequels made, and all future games, novels and tie-ins now related to this fresh new take on a stale old property.
Fan: No! This isn't what I wanted! NOOOOOOOOO!!!

While I did lol at the last half of your statement the first half I have to disagree with. Why? Because it is your opinion. Most videogame movies fail  because they are handed off to incompetent HW production companies and writers who have to give the movie their own spin. Game companies usually just sign off after they receive a check for the movie rights. That doesn't seem to be happening here. So for you to Mass Effect will no longer be Mass Effect is just purely speculation on your behalf. It's not fact. I can't name any other videogame - movie crossovers where the actual development teams and heads of the games work with the movie team as one. This is a first. So maybe they will get it right this time. And let's not forget. Even if they did cater to the fans, it doesn't mean it would be any more or less amazing and profitable. Nothing is certain. For you all to imply otherwise is just plain foolish.

The other problem I had with it is your first paragraph. You obviously don't see the bigger picture. I am not going to go over it again but I can see exactly where your sentiments lie. On that note I ill say this. It is not about just the fans and catering to them. It is about catering to the larger group. If they wanted to cater to you and me(which I wouldn't mind, but I am thinking realistically) they would just make a direct to dvd movie in house the same way Capcom, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Namco Bandai and a few others are doing. Those were movie projects that catered to us, the fans. Since this is a full length, big budget, Hollywood production that will be released in theatres they are obviously looking to go for the mass audience with this one.

Like I said before, I don't care what the movie is about as long as it is done extremely well. At the same time I am not going to be like "Bioware and Legendary shouldn't do this or that! They should make what I want to see!". Why?! Because that would be selfish. I am more concerned with them getting there foot in the door and then once they have established themselves, go into side stories and all other filler info.

[CaptainZaysh]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Funny you use a really stupid movie with good special effects and... ... ... a bad movie to prove your point about those movies not being bad.

 I get to link it again!

Trekkies bash new Star Trek film as "fun, watchable"

[Dazaster Dellus]

darknoon5 wrote...

A film isn't a necessity, food is. God, that was an awful comparison.

On to the rest, being catered to the masses doesn't mean a bad film. See Avatar and the new Star Trek.

Seriously, I'm glad that the franchise can open out to as many people as possible. All these bloody elitists, "MASS EFFECT SHOULD BE PC EXCLUSIVE!!!!" (even though it was originally a PC game) "MASS EFFECT IS JUST FOR THE COD FPS IDIOTS" (even though it was always a TPS-RPG hybrid) and now people want a film tailored to them, all 2million fans. Which is ironic, because the film will suck if it is aimed at them becuase that crowd is not big enough to demand a decent budget therefore the film will be poorer.

I know right! Well said. Especially the first part.

[Kusy]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Funny you use a really stupid movie with good special effects and... ... ... a bad movie to prove your point about those movies not being bad.

 I get to link it again!

Trekkies bash new Star Trek film as "fun, watchable"

Old clip is old... I honestly don't like Star Treck franchise, I don't give a single fudge about it. It just was a bad movie.
That old cheasy TV series was just as bad, just in a diffrent, more cheasy way.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:13 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Terror_K wrote...

Fan: What is this? This isn't Mass Effect?! Saren didn't kill Shepard's parents and turians don't have feathers! Why is Ashley in high heels with her boobs half out?! Everything is so rushed! Oh, geez... Sovereign just outright explained the Reapers' whole purpose right there! This is awful!

Thank god that never happened in the game.

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:13 .

[Kusy]

I like how you post random stuff that makes no sense just to keep defending your point Zaysh.

[CaptainZaysh]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Old clip is old... I honestly don't like Star Treck franchise, I don't give a single fudge about it. It just was a bad movie.

Almost everybody disagrees with you.

Why d'you think it was bad, just out of interest?

[darknoon5]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...
On to the rest, being catered to the masses doesn't mean a bad film. See Avatar and the new Star Trek.

Funny you use a really stupid movie with good special effects and... ... ... a bad movie to prove your point about those movies not being bad.

Subjective. I think both were good, and both were critically and financially sucessful. As the above says, your opinion is in the minority. People also disliked Citizen Kane, 2001: A Space Odyssey and The Good The Bad and The Ugly when they were released-all are masterpieces.

Besides, there are always films aimed at the maximum audience that are good, however many Green lanterns quality films pop up. Examples include Star Wars, (not prequels) James Bond and Indiana Jones. (not crystal skull.)

Modifié par darknoon5, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:17 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I like how you post random stuff that makes no sense just to keep defending your point Zaysh.

The picture is of the bit in Mass Effect 1 where Sovereign explains the whole purpose of the Reapers.

[Kusy]

And here we can disagree further because I think that both Star Wars prequel trilogy and The Crystal Skull were good movies while the new James Bond movies should be banned and all copies should be burned along with the crew responsible for them, no exceptions.

And with Start Treck, I found it incredibly generic, sure it looked good, just as Avatar looked good and from that point of view they were both good productions. Startreck was quite a generic s-f movie while Avatar was pocahontas.

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I like how you post random stuff that makes no sense just to keep defending your point Zaysh.

The picture is of the bit in Mass Effect 1 where Sovereign explains the whole purpose of the Reapers.

Quote it brah.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:20 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

Another way to look at it for those "I want it this way, forget everyone else!" types is this. Think about it like this, if you were a person and not a gamer in any way for whatever reason, and you hear that a movie is coming out based off of an amazing story you would probably want to see it. Now, if the movie that came out had nothing to do with the amazing story you have heard of and you find out the only way to experience that story is to play the games, you would kinda feel left out of something great. Now, fast forward to the point where you find out that the only reason the movie wasn't based on the incredible story is because a few fanboys and fangirls wanted the movie exclusively catered to them. You would probably be like "That is lame!" and maybe even annoyed.

It's the same thing with most movies. If Harry Potter wasn't about Harry Potter but a bunch of his sidekicks, I can guarantee they wouldn't have had the success they had. People who didn't or couldn't read the books(the majority) would be left out while the people who did read them(the minority) would be catered to. Samething with LOTR, Twilight, True Blood, Game of Thrones and countless other media crossovers and look how successful they were.

[Ninjapino]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Ninjapino wrote...

I don't get how (as several people have stated) not wanting a movie version of the games is "selfish". I wantthem to work on a good story, good atmosphere, and make the Mass Effect universe come to life in a believable fashion. Trying to make it about the games is going to force their hand to be less about that and more about making things we've already seen be interesting from a movie stand-point, which basically means "make it bigger and badder then before".

To answer your question, The statements in bold are why it is considered selfish. A lot of you are only thinking about what you want as opposed to stepping back and looking at the big picture and what is best for the series as a starting point for the MassAudience. For Bioware to create an all new story because it would be something you haven't seen yet is selfish reasoning.

I see it more selfish to just want to see the games remade so you can see Shepard kick some a**. I AM thinking about the mass audience when I make that statement. I am thinking about the audience who doesn't know a single thing about this world and have no reason to care about it yet. I am thinking about what would be best for introducing people into the universe that they don't have any idea what they are stepping into. The only reason so far I have seen given to make it the same story as the games is because "people want to see Shepard", which is false, because (again) people who haven't played the games don't know anything beyond "he's the guy in the ads".

And I'm not sure how wanting them to "work on a good story, good atmosphere, and make the Mass Effect universe come to life in a believable fashion", as you bolded for me in my own statement is that selfish. I'd figure that would be a given to want that from pretty much ANY movie. If expecting them to work hard to make a film good is selfish, then I guess I'm a little selfish for having some expectations. Even if it was about Shepard, I'm still going to see it. And as long as they do give me a good story, good atmosphere, and bring me into the MEU, I'll leave the theater happy. My point was, as you seem to keep skipping over after highlight select sentences, that the games really only worked to introduce you to the universe because of the freedom of exploration you were given. Movie goers won't have that. Read the WHOLE sentence of what you bolded in my comment. It's not that I don't want to see things I've already seen, it's the fact that they would have to have the events we as fans already know palpable for a big screen movie, which, for the most part, is going to require dumbing it down. And I'm not talking about the action scenes. Actions scenes are the only thing that would benefit from re-making the story. Again, why NOT give a different point to introduce the mass audience to the MEU? They're not going to be upset that it doesn't follow the games. They're not going to care that the plot isn't "right" or "wrong". The only thing you're losing either way is a possibility to expand the universe.

Again, if the movie is good, I'll leave the theater happy, even if it is about Shepard. It's just that A) you can only really lose things and not gain (outside of a visual spectical, maybe, but I feel we already got that) by making it about Shepard and it just seems like a wasted opportunity. I'm not, in any way, saying "if it's about Shepard it will be an abomination!", simply stating it could be so much more then just another re-hash. (Also still trying to figure out why people have in their mind that having it be about Shepard is the only way to draw in a big audience.)

[Kusy]

I never said I expect Mass Effect movie to be a bad movie, I never said I won't go, I never said how I would like it to look. I realise that movies for gamers don't bring those kind of money film-makers would like to see. I'm not someone who boycott mainstream cinema.

Look at Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, it was an amazing movie but someone who doesn't have the right pop cultural background won't understand more than half of that shiat, there even are some refferences that will only hit people above 20 so a big part of the "gaming society" won't see them if they are not retroplayers. Movie was a moasterpiece, it sold badly. Lesson for the future, audience is not ready for that yet.

Now look at Rango, movie was camouflaged as a kids 3D movie... but when you think about it, 10 year old kids can't possibly catch any of the refferences in the movie, because it's a compleate pastiche of spaghetti westerns. But it sold, because instead of actors it had small animals (that weren't even cute) and those animals burped or farted from time to time so it was "funny"... actualy it's one of those movies where parents have to explain to their kids why they are laughing

It would just be cool to see more movies like Scot Pilgrim, because they are good. Sadly it didn't sell well.

btw. the only decent movie from the Harry Potter movies is the last one, LOTR ecranisations were all good because you can't fit more of the books content into a movie without making it 6 hours long each, Twilight is just as bad as a book as it is as a movie.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

Ninjapino wrote...

I see it more selfish to just want to see the games remade so you can see Shepard kick some a**. I AM thinking about the mass audience when I make that statement. I am thinking about the audience who doesn't know a single thing about this world and have no reason to care about it yet. I am thinking about what would be best for introducing people into the universe that they don't have any idea what they are stepping into. The only reason so far I have seen given to make it the same story as the games is because "people want to see Shepard", which is false, because (again) people who haven't played the games don't know anything beyond "he's the guy in the ads".

And I'm not sure how wanting them to "work on a good story, good atmosphere, and make the Mass Effect universe come to life in a believable fashion", as you bolded for me in my own statement is that selfish. I'd figure that would be a given to want that from pretty much ANY movie. If expecting them to work hard to make a film good is selfish, then I guess I'm a little selfish for having some expectations. Even if it was about Shepard, I'm still going to see it. And as long as they do give me a good story, good atmosphere, and bring me into the MEU, I'll leave the theater happy. My point was, as you seem to keep skipping over after highlight select sentences, that the games really only worked to introduce you to the universe because of the freedom of exploration you were given. Movie goers won't have that. Read the WHOLE sentence of what you bolded in my comment. It's not that I don't want to see things I've already seen, it's the fact that they would have to have the events we as fans already know palpable for a big screen movie, which, for the most part, is going to require dumbing it down. And I'm not talking about the action scenes. Actions scenes are the only thing that would benefit from re-making the story. Again, why NOT give a different point to introduce the mass audience to the MEU? They're not going to be upset that it doesn't follow the games. They're not going to care that the plot isn't "right" or "wrong". The only thing you're losing either way is a possibility to expand the universe.

Reread my statements. I have said counteless time that I do not care what the movie is about as long as its good.
As far as me bolding your statement. I only bolded the part where you said "I want" and then I skipped past the rest of the sentence because it was actually pretty good, until you said the second part I made bold which was about you and stuff that you already have seen before. That is where the selfishness comes in. Because you want the movie catered to you and the minority who have "already seen it" as opposed to catering to everyone including the majority of people who don't even know what a Mass Effect is.

Now as I read your last paragraph it seems as though you have taken a step back from that side of the fence.

Edit: forgot to switch out a part of a sentence.

Modifié par Dazaster Dellus, 09 juillet 2011 - 04:45 .

[Ninjapino]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Another way to look at it for those "I want it this way, forget everyone else!" types is this. Think about it like this, if you were a person and not a gamer in any way for whatever reason, and you hear that a movie is coming out based off of an amazing story you would probably want to see it. Now, if the movie that came out had nothing to do with the amazing story you have heard of and you find out the only way to experience that story is to play the games, you would kinda feel left out of something great. Now, fast forward to the point where you find out that the only reason the movie wasn't based on the incredible story is because a few fanboys and fangirls wanted the movie exclusively catered to them. You would probably be like "That is lame!" and maybe even annoyed.

It's the same thing with most movies. If Harry Potter wasn't about Harry Potter but a bunch of his sidekicks, I can guarantee they wouldn't have had the success they had. People who didn't or couldn't read the books(the majority) would be left out while the people who did read them(the minority) would be catered to. Samething with LOTR, Twilight, True Blood, Game of Thrones and countless other media crossovers and look how successful they were.

Books and games are two completely seperate mediums.  What works for one won't work for the other.  What makes transfering books to movies different is the fact that you're transfering a literature into a visual medium.  Also, those books you mentioned....the characters ARE the driving force behind the stories.  Games are slightly different, you're transfering a visual medium into another visual medium.  Nobody is curious what Saren (as an example) might actually look like because we've seen him, not just been described roughly.  We know his mannerism, we know what drives him, etc.  Granted, the non-fans don't, but again, they don't really care anyway.  Take another big sci-fi franchise like Star Wars or Star Trek.  This is working the opposite direction, but my point is still there, but for Star Wars, there were a couple games based off the movies....they were alright.  Super Empire Strikes Back was actually pretty awesome.  But, it was a fun distraction.  It wasn't anything amazing.  The games that became the most fun were the ones that showed more then what we've seen, Battlefield, KOTOR, that one awesome N64 game who's name currently escapes me, etc. 

Again, with majority of the books you mentioned, like Harry Potter, Twilight, True Blood, etc, there isn't much to tell beyond the adventure the characters went on.  Some of them have amazing worlds while others are just our world with something slightly different, but no other really important stories need to be told unlike Star Trek, Star Wars, or Mass Effect. 

[Wulfram]

Didn't the First Contact War end with a heretofore unknown Space UN suddenly intervening and saving humanity from a kicking? That would be a really crappy ending for a movie.

[CuseGirl]

It's the same thing with most movies. If Harry Potter wasn't about Harry Potter but a bunch of his sidekicks, I can guarantee they wouldn't have had the success they had. People who didn't or couldn't read the books(the majority) would be left out while the people who did read them(the minority) would be catered to. Samething with LOTR, Twilight, True Blood, Game of Thrones and countless other media crossovers and look how successful they were.

I dont know where ME fans have gotten the idea that an ME movie (which will cost upwards of 150 million dollars) shouldn't be centered around Shepard lmaaooooo......also, gamers (especially gamers who post on video game FORUMS) dont realize how small their group really is. The Sims, as a whole franchise, has sold 100 million copies. But only about 10 to 15% of Simmers probably go online looking for custom phones and virtual Gucci jeans. The rest play the game as is. And that's the greatest selling PC franchise ever. Cut those numbers down to ME's numbers, you're talking about a very small group of people who say "well I think the story should be about the ME universe and not the cliche space galaxy movie". Good luck selling that to a legit movie director or company.

Twilight, Trublood (while that loosely follows the books), Game of Thrones are good because the source material is good (well some would argue Twilight isn't ) and they have good actors. Now that I think about it, ME would be a MUCH better TV show than a movie. Instead of squeezing in ME-1 into a 2 hour movie, make it season 1......hmmm......

[Kusy]

Wulfram wrote...
Didn't the First Contact War end with a heretofore unknown Space UN suddenly intervening and saving humanity from a kicking? That would be a really crappy ending for a movie.

Well, not exacly the American-partiotical-holywood ending you could expect. But worry not, we have Mass Effect Evolution, we can change that part of the estabilished lore too!

[Dazaster Dellus]

Ninjapino wrote...

Books and games are two completely seperate mediums.  What works for one won't work for the other.  What makes transfering books to movies different is the fact that you're transfering a literature into a visual medium.  Also, those books you mentioned....the characters ARE the driving force behind the stories.  Games are slightly different, you're transfering a visual medium into another visual medium.  Nobody is curious what Saren (as an example) might actually look like because we've seen him, not just been described roughly.  We know his mannerism, we know what drives him, etc.  Granted, the non-fans don't, but again, they don't really care anyway.  Take another big sci-fi franchise like Star Wars or Star Trek.  This is working the opposite direction, but my point is still there, but for Star Wars, there were a couple games based off the movies....they were alright.  Super Empire Strikes Back was actually pretty awesome.  But, it was a fun distraction.  It wasn't anything amazing.  The games that became the most fun were the ones that showed more then what we've seen, Battlefield, KOTOR, that one awesome N64 game who's name currently escapes me, etc. 

Again, with majority of the books you mentioned, like Harry Potter, Twilight, True Blood, etc, there isn't much to tell beyond the adventure the characters went on.  Some of them have amazing worlds while others are just our world with something slightly different, but no other really important stories need to be told unlike Star Trek, Star Wars, or Mass Effect. 

Yes, I know they are two different mediums but that doesn't negate my statements. Comic Books are a visual medium too, as well as cartoons and graphic novels. They(media) all transfer the same way, at least most of the time. Sometimes they take take different steps but that is based on creative judgement. And you say that no other important stories need to be told from books like LOTR. I beg to differ. Which is why we are unfortunately now seeing a Hobbit movie. The first series of movies was successful and now they are trying their hand at side stories. I also find it odd that the only things you think are worthy of other stories are all space series. You can have all the universes and story paths you want. If you don't have the characters to drive it they don't matter. You need great characters, great story and a great universe. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

Look, at the end of the day it doesn't come down to the type of media. It comes down to the creative process. If you have the people in it for the satisfaction of creating something great and they are all talented and dedicated you can make something great from any form of media, any crossover, or even from scratch. The problem lies in the fact that everyone trying to make a quick buck, with a quick hit, with as little money as possible. That (as we have seen from all the failures) does not work.

I do agree with you that new, fresh ideas are a great stepping stone and can really do wonders. However, they are not always the best  paths to follow.

[Tessarae]

Why would you want to tell a story that has already been told?
Making a movie about the events of the game is like rewriting the Lord of the Rings, just in modern language and cutting the size in half.

[darth_lopez]

Tessarae wrote...

Why would you want to tell a story that has already been told?
Making a movie about the events of the game is like rewriting the Lord of the Rings, just in modern language and cutting the size in half.

agreed, there's plenty of stuff to make a movie about in masseffect. Say the Actual Fall of the protheans? Mass Effect: Fall of the Protheans. Surely they must've had military victories aside from the survival of Ilos(i realize this isn't a military victory just a small incredibly lucky moment) Or if they did it right they could make a movie about the first contact war focusing on the fighting, the Fall and Reclamation of Shanxi Ending the Movie On somewhat of a cliffhanger with the council or the turian fleet attempting to initiate diplomatic communications after their ass kicking(i realize it wasn't really an ass kicking persay more like a kick to the nuts of turian pride)

Anywho lots of stuff they could do not specific to the games they could do. Just have Drew Karpeshyn write it or help with writing it and i'm sure it would be good (all the books and games i've played where he's written have been fantastic story wise and movie quality at the least Darht Bane would've been an excellent movie)



@ninjapino in refrence to star wars games that one on the N64 could be Rogue Squadron or Shadows of the Empire (i'm sure there are more but i know those were 2 of the biggest ones on the N64 so big that Rogue Squadron went on to the game cube for like 2 more games, then on other systems you have Jedi Starfighter, Don't forget the Jedi Knight Series which is certaintly the precursor (gameplay wise) for the force unleashed) Star Wars has a bunch of games that both grow and shwo off the universe (i believe BioWare is actually responsible for the creation of the Canonical start of star wars with the Infinite Empire Introduced in KoTOR They are in no small part responsible for a great deal of good star wars lore.)

Modifié par darth_lopez, 09 juillet 2011 - 05:31 .