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[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

WALL OF REPETITIVE TEXT...

Put it this way: if come Comic-con its announced that the movie is just a rehash of the games, I'll be canceling my pre-orders for the Normandy model, the next comic collection, Deception and the new Art Book. I don't see the point in wasting my time with an IP if it doesn't want me as a fan any more.

That's a shame because I can see why BioWare could use a fan with such ridiculous demands as yours. I'm sure they appreciate the scrutiny. >_>

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

Once again you say it's a step back and a waste of time. I think you need to stop thinking about your incredibly high expectations and think about what PEOPLE NEW TO THE SERIES will think of it (bold and caps are because I think the point is going in one ear and out the other).

Why the flying **** should I give a rat's rear end about a bunch of mainstream masses who are largely responsible for the overall degradation of the entertainment industry as a whole, the ruination of several once-loved IPs I got into and already have hundreds of pieces of entertainment catered to them released every year?!

I'm just asking for one of the only IPs I'm still interested in to actually be catered towards me, a fan, and you expect me to want it to just bend and change for the sake of a group of overcatered for masses that get more than their fill every single day of every single year?!

And you call me selfish?

If they did a movie that catered only to fans, they wouldn't make enough money to pay for the production of your incredibly large expectations because the fan base just isn't big enough. Main reason why it wouldn't gross high: new people wouldn't follow what it was about if we go your way.

And you say I don't have enough faith in Mass Effect. A good film doesn't need to be designed so that only the existing fanbase can enjoy it, you know. The Mass Effect universe is deep and rich enough that any story and situation in any place and time could be thought up that could suit a great sci-fi movie. It doesn't have to rely on the existing mythos to work: the Mass Effect universe is strong enough to stand on its own and is more than just Shepard and The Reapers. It just needs to be interesting enough in the same ways that Blade Runner, Aliens, Star Trek, etc. were. Then when watchers become fans, they can explore further and discover the games, and thus discover something new.

[stewie1974]

Terror_K wrote...



Sorry, but I won't take a chill pill. I've invested too much of time, money and life into getting into Mass Effect as a fan,

This is truely frightening. It's like a remake of "misery"

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

That's a shame because I can see why BioWare could use a fan with such ridiculous demands as yours. I'm sure they appreciate the scrutiny. >_>

What's so ridiculous about simply wishing that it remain true to the ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL?!!

[Il Divo]

Terror_K wrote...

What's so ridiculous about simply wishing that it remain true to the ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL?!!

As a neutral party, nothing is ridiculous about that. You're entitled to argue for whatever will increase your own enjoyment of the film as much as humanly possible, even at the expense of any other viewer out there. You're not paying for a movie ticket so that others can enjoy the film.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:57 .

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

That's a shame because I can see why BioWare could use a fan with such ridiculous demands as yours. I'm sure they appreciate the scrutiny. >_>

What's so ridiculous about simply wishing that it remain true to the ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL?!!

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wishing it. We all have our opinions. What I think is wrong is the way you make BioWare sound like complete morons and totally discredit their ability to please fans thus far. I also think it's ridiculous to get all huffy and intense over something as simple as a film. A tad melodramatic if you ask me. Every adapted film I've seen has stayed true to the original source by the way. The only reason you're so critical is because of the amount of time alloted to films. They obviously can't fit every bloody detail into a 2 hour film durr.

[gamer_girl]

stewie1974 wrote...

Terror_K wrote...



Sorry, but I won't take a chill pill. I've invested too much of time, money and life into getting into Mass Effect as a fan,

This is truely frightening. It's like a remake of "misery"

inb4 Casey Hudson gets hobbled.

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

What's so ridiculous about simply wishing that it remain true to the ORIGINAL SOURCE MATERIAL?!!

There's absolutely nothing wrong with wishing it. We all have our opinions. What I think is wrong is the way you make BioWare sound like complete morons and totally discredit their ability to please fans thus far.

*cough*DragonAge2*cough*

I also think it's ridiculous to get all huffy and intense over something as simple as a film. A tad melodramatic if you ask me. Every adapted film I've seen has stayed true to the original source by the way. The only reason you're so critical is because of the amount of time alloted to films. They obviously can't fit every bloody detail into a 2 hour film durr.

It's not the film itself, it's what it would mean for the entire IP. Once the film comes along its style and influence will become the dominant one (if it's a success). Going by the way Hollywood works, it'll suck much of the stuff I love about Mass Effect out and inject a whole bunch of factors from modern Blockbusters I hate in its place. Simply put: the film would be the beginning of a mass IP degradation.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...
*cough*DragonAge2*cough*

Funny how you think one slip-up means they're on a continuous spiral down to mayhem. They take feedback for a reason. Majority of the people obviously wanted what changes came with DA2. It probably just wasn't executed exactly the way you wanted it. You're very narrow minded I've gathered. Also quite hilarious how you failed to mention the many times where they succeeded at pleasing fans.

Terror_K wrote...
It's not the film itself, it's what it would mean for the entire IP. Once the film comes along its style and influence will become the dominant one (if it's a success). Going by the way Hollywood works, it'll suck much of the stuff I love about Mass Effect out and inject a whole bunch of factors from modern Blockbusters I hate in its place. Simply put: the film would be the beginning of a mass IP degradation.

Oh? I didn't know you were prophetic.

Mass Effect will continue. Unless... Hang on - stop the presses! Terror K isn't pleased with the film, we gotta stop this franchise before we lose 1 fan. >_>

Modifié par gamer_girl, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:16 .

[SirJeal]

TMA LIVE wrote...

For a sample of Mark Protosevich's (the screenwriter) work, here's the "I Am Legend" script he wrote before it got rewritten by Akiva Goldsman.

http://www.horrorlai...ipts/legend.txt

Wow, so it was much closer to the book before it was re-written then.

[Mongerty2]

Wow, these forums are starting to become worse than Call of Duty and Halo forums. (and trust me, as a 7 year veteran of Bungie.net, that is a BAAAAAD thing).

I have confidence that they can make a good movie. If it ends up terrible, then oh well, it will not make me enjoy the games and books ANY LESS. You guys fail to realize that the movie will fail miserably if it does not appeal to people other than diehard ME fans. There is no way that the budget required to make an even mediocre version of the universe on film is waaaay higher than what they would get from people who have just played the games.

There is no magic movie that will please everyone, and that is a shame. However, that does not mean that they should simply not try.

[gamer_girl]

Mongerty2 wrote...

Wow, these forums are starting to become worse than Call of Duty and Halo forums. (and trust me, as a 7 year veteran of Bungie.net, that is a BAAAAAD thing).

I have confidence that they can make a good movie. If it ends up terrible, then oh well, it will not make me enjoy the games and books ANY LESS. You guys fail to realize that the movie will fail miserably if it does not appeal to people other than diehard ME fans. There is no way that the budget required to make an even mediocre version of the universe on film is waaaay higher than what they would get from people who have just played the games.

There is no magic movie that will please everyone, and that is a shame. However, that does not mean that they should simply not try.

I agree 100%

*Tags Mongerty2 into ring*

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

Funny how you think one slip-up means they're on a continuous spiral down to mayhem. They take feedback for a reason. Majority of the people obviously wanted what changes came with DA2. It probably just wasn't executed exactly the way you wanted it. You're very narrow minded I've gathered. Also quite hilarious how you failed to mention the many times where they succeeded at pleasing fans.

For starters, it's not just one slip up. They intentionally retooled the entire IP to branch out. They even changed the entire art style, not for existing fans, but because a few reviews docked some points for it being "too generic fantasy" and because it didn't stand out enough to newcomers. Existing ans were largely fine with Dragon Age's look. On top of that Mike Laidlaw completely changed the MO of Dragon Age entirely.

It's also not an isolated case, just the easiest one to point to. Mass Effect 2 suffered similar issues, just not on quite as large a scale. BioWare's been on the downward slope since EA took the helm. They thankfully show a few signs of backing up a bit, but I'm not sure its enough. They're already slowly been selling-out and leaving old fans behind in favour of new ones. This is just another step on a path they've already been on for about 3 years now.

Oh? I didn't know you were prophetic.

It's called experience. It's happened with almost every other IP I've got into in the past. Star Wars. Star Trek. Stargate. Transformers. Aliens. The list goes on. Why will Mass Effect suddenly be the exception to the rule?

Mass Effect will continue. Unless... Hang on - stop the presses! Terror K isn't pleased with the film, we gotta stop this franchise before we lose 1 fan. >_>

You're naive if you think I'm the only one that feels this way. You must have seen fans react to things like Liara's vanilla ME2 personality, how Kaidan and Ashley were treated on Horizon, Ashleys new ME3 appearance, etc. Do you really think these same fans will enjoy a movie that completely changes things like this even more?

We'll also see how much you like the film if I'm right about it. You got into Mass Effect for a reason yourself. What happens if those reasons no longer are part of this movie at all?

[Kurt M.]

Sadly, I feel logical that the First Contact War background is chosen. It's short, action-oriented and (most important), not excessive lore must be explained to the public.

It's a pity that most people in this society have their brains so dumbed down and stupidified that they cannot withstand several minutes of lore and background explanation (at least not unless they're flavoured with sex scenes, as seen in "Game of Thrones" HBO series). Pretty sad, really.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

For starters, it's not just one slip up. They intentionally retooled the entire IP to branch out. They even changed the entire art style, not for existing fans, but because a few reviews docked some points for it being "too generic fantasy" and because it didn't stand out enough to newcomers. Existing ans were largely fine with Dragon Age's look. On top of that Mike Laidlaw completely changed the MO of Dragon Age entirely.

It's also not an isolated case, just the easiest one to point to. Mass Effect 2 suffered similar issues, just not on quite as large a scale. BioWare's been on the downward slope since EA took the helm. They thankfully show a few signs of backing up a bit, but I'm not sure its enough. They're already slowly been selling-out and leaving old fans behind in favour of new ones. This is just another step on a path they've already been on for about 3 years now.

First of all I know a lot of people who enjoyed DA2, one of them being myself. Although I did like DA:O more, I have to commend BioWare on making a fantastic game nontheless. Your problem is that you cannot be pleased if they make even any changes at all. At least BioWare tries to fix what they've done wrong instead of sticking to the same bloody formula every single game like Call of Duty. If BioWare pulled a CoD the games wouldn't be near as popular because there'd be no evolution, just constant, boring repetition. On a side note, I wouldn't call being voted Game of the Year on many gaming sites and being nominated at the VGAs "suffering". Mass Effect 2 did very well because BioWare acted on fan feedback - just like they'll continue to do in the future.

It's called experience. It's happened with almost every other IP I've got into in the past. Star Wars. Star Trek. Stargate. Transformers. Aliens. The list goes on. Why will Mass Effect suddenly be the exception to the rule?

I'm thinking it isn't necessarily a problem with the franchises, it's a problem with you being far too picky.

You're naive if you think I'm the only one that feels this way. You must have seen fans react to things like Liara's vanilla ME2 personality, how Kaidan and Ashley were treated on Horizon, Ashleys new ME3 appearance, etc. Do you really think these same fans will enjoy a movie that completely changes things like this even more?

We'll also see how much you like the film if I'm right about it. You got into Mass Effect for a reason yourself. What happens if those reasons no longer are part of this movie at all?

If fans are so dissatisfied with the film that it stupidly turns them away from the series entirely, then they probably weren't very good fans to begin with. AKA too bloody picky and unappreciative of hard work put in by everybody (dev/writer/creator/director/etc).

Modifié par gamer_girl, 11 juillet 2011 - 12:59 .

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...
On a side note, I wouldn't call being voted Game of the Year on many gaming sites and being nominated at the VGAs "suffering". Mass Effect 2 did very well because BioWare acted on fan feedback - just like they'll continue to do in the future.

And you fell right into the trap and seemed to have avoided the obvious. I'm saying that ME2 dumbed things down and catered to the masses, and you go ahead and say that the masses loved it. That's what happens when you pander to the Masses! You just proved my point even further, just like so many others have.

Also, BioWare didn't act on "fan feedback" with what they did to ME2: they acted on professional critic and potential fan feedback. Most fans wanted ME1's issues fixed, not dumbed down and watered down and make "more accessible" and "mainstreamlined" etc. They responded to critics and players who expected the game to play and be more of a TPS because it merely had TPS combat. The exact same thing they responded to with DA2. They worry too much about making their game for "everybody" these days and not enough about what the current fans actually want.

If fans are so dissatisfied with the film that it stupidly turns them away from the series entirely, then they probably weren't very good fans to begin with. AKA too bloody picky and unappreciative of hard work put in by everybody (dev/writer/creator/director/etc).

It's exactly the opposite. I love Mass Effect for what it is and feel that Hollywood messing with it would be a betrayal and unappreciative to the original source material and those who created it. That's the very reason I'm against it in the first place.

Modifié par Terror_K, 11 juillet 2011 - 08:00 .

[stewie1974]

There must be an exception to prove the rule. It's a law.

Movies like games, need to make money. It's also a law.

Fans I'm afraid fall waaay down on the list of priorities.

Getting NEW fans of a particular demographic ((those most likely to spend money)) is where its at.

Mass Effect will probablly NOT be an adult rated film.... pg-13 maybe , but don't worry too much, there will be a porn parody if the film is successfull enough called "Mass Errect"

Starring a female Shepard or even a shemale called commander SheHard....

Modifié par stewie1974, 11 juillet 2011 - 05:48 .

[littlezack]

I'd just like to highlight one thing.

 I'm just asking for one of the only IPs I'm still interested in to actually be catered towards me, a fan, and you expect me to want it to just bend and change for the sake of a group of overcatered for masses that get more than their fill every single day of every single year?!

And you call me selfish?

[littlezack]

Mr.Kusy wrote...


Now look at Rango, movie was camouflaged as a kids 3D movie... but when you think about it, 10 year old kids can't possibly catch any of the refferences in the movie, because it's a compleate pastiche of spaghetti westerns. But it sold, because instead of actors it had small animals (that weren't even cute) and those animals burped or farted from time to time so it was "funny"... actualy it's one of those movies where parents have to explain to their kids why they are laughing

Also, and I know this is a day old, but I can't let it go - it's been a while, but I don't remember ANY burping and/or farting in Rango.

[Tessarae]

I agree that they should try to make a movie that appeals to a much wider demographic than the people who played the games. We're, sadly, way too few for that to be profitable. In a perfect world, I'd of course love it, if they made a movie tailored to please me, and me alone, but that's not how things work.

The thing I don't quite understand, is why you think that a movie based on the events of the game will appeal to more people than any other great story within the universe? The vast majority of people paying to see it, would have no idea that there was a game anyway.

[Ylhaym]

littlezack wrote...

I'd just like to highlight one thing.

 I'm just asking for one of the only IPs I'm still interested in to actually be catered towards me, a fan, and you expect me to want it to just bend and change for the sake of a group of overcatered for masses that get more than their fill every single day of every single year?!

And you call me selfish?

Thank you sir!

Really, this ongoing argument is all about "ME"... Being able to please fans, respect the lore and catering to more people other than fans is impossible to do because someones "experiences" said so. Apparently he/she already watched  a film made by Legendary that is produced by Bioware. 

Even if the movie's goal is to please its fan only and not cater to the non fans. Its still going to be criticized by "fans".

I don't know why other people fail to see the big picture.

Edit: added some stuff

stewie1974 wrote...
Movies like games, need to make money. It's also a law.

Tessarae wrote...
I agree that they should try to make a movie that appeals to a much wider demographic than the people who played the games. We're, sadly, way too few for that to be profitable. In a perfect world, I'd of course love it, if they made a movie tailored to please me, and me alone, but that's not how things work.

and this.


It boils down to money. If the movie succeeds, more money.  More money, more funding for the IP. More funding for the IP is, the better. A better game means better profitability. And so on. Its always better to have more resources than less. Try creating a masterpiece with limited resources.

Unfortunately, some people doesn't want Mass Effect to grow.

Modifié par Ylhaym, 11 juillet 2011 - 11:52 .

[gamer_girl]

Ugh I've about given up on convincing Terror_K. They're obviously too stubborn to see the truth of the matter and they'll hate the movie no matter how good it is. Go whine elsewhere, cause seriously people here are downright sick of it.

[gamer_girl]

Ylhaym wrote...

littlezack wrote...

I'd just like to highlight one thing.

 I'm just asking for one of the only IPs I'm still interested in to actually be catered towards me, a fan, and you expect me to want it to just bend and change for the sake of a group of overcatered for masses that get more than their fill every single day of every single year?!

And you call me selfish?

Thank you sir!

Really, this ongoing argument is all about "ME"... Being able to please fans, respect the lore and catering to more people other than fans is impossible to do because someones "experiences" said so. Apparently he/she already watched  a film made by Legendary that is produced by Bioware. 

Even if the movie's goal is to please its fan only and not cater to the non fans. Its still going to be criticized by "fans".

I don't know why other people fail to see the big picture.

Edit: added some stuff

stewie1974 wrote...
Movies like games, need to make money. It's also a law.

Tessarae wrote...
I agree that they should try to make a movie that appeals to a much wider demographic than the people who played the games. We're, sadly, way too few for that to be profitable. In a perfect world, I'd of course love it, if they made a movie tailored to please me, and me alone, but that's not how things work.

and this.


It boils down to money. If the movie succeeds, more money.  More money, more funding for the IP. More funding for the IP is, the better. A better game means better profitability. And so on. Its always better to have more resources than less. Try creating a masterpiece with limited resources.

Unfortunately, some people doesn't want Mass Effect to grow.

I thank you for being more articulate in conveying my opinion than I was. 

[gamer_girl]

PS Who is it smarter to appeal to from a business perspective? A small group of incredibly picky fans who aren't satisfied with anything but the original formula (AKA wanting boring and uninnovative repetition)? Or a new and larger fan base and current fans who love the franchise for what it is, not for how well they cater to a small and annoyingly bigoted demographic?

I'll go with the latter.

PPS Sorry for the triple post but this person really grinds my gears.

[Terror_K]

Ylhaym wrote...

Unfortunately, some people doesn't want Mass Effect to grow.

I want Mass Effect to grow. I just don't want it to grow into something that is no longer Mass Effect.

I also fail to see how repeating yourself instead of exploring new territory is "growing" exactly.

gamer_girl wrote...

PS Who is it smarter to appeal to from a business perspective? A small group of incredibly picky fans who aren't satisfied with anything but the original formula (AKA wanting boring and uninnovative repetition)?

That's rich. How exactly is wanting something fresh from Mass Effect for a movie "boring and uninnovative reptition" and how is rehashing the same story we've already seen before not? You've got it completely backwards. Again.

Or a new and larger fan base and current fans who love the franchise for what it is, not for how well they cater to a small and annoyingly bigoted demographic?

I'll go with the latter.

I do love the franchise for what it is. Why can't you seem to get that. Are you really as dense and backwards as you sound? Again, the whole reason I don't want it to become Mass Appeal instead of Mass Effect is because I love the franchise for WHAT IT IS. You are the one who is perfectly content with it being rebooted and retooled just to branch out. I want Mass Effect to stay Mass Effect, not be some non-fan's version of Mass Effect made for teenage douchebags who love explosions, shaky-cam, ****** and nonsensical cliches.

You don't need to dumb the whole IP down, retread old ground and sell-out to make a good movie and get people to watch it. Good, intelligent sci-fi with depth has succeeded in the past, and it can succeed again. Mass Effect has the makings of something truly special. Hell, it already is. It doesn't need to become generic Hollywood fodder and sell its soul to make money and get people interested. And if it does, then the human race and the entertainment industry as a whole is in a far worse position that I already think it is. There's a massive gap for good sci-fi entertainment at the moment, and Mass Effect could fill that gap. It doesn't need to just go along with the rest of a crowd and be like every other generic action Hollywood manufactured-blockbuster.

Modifié par Terror_K, 11 juillet 2011 - 01:22 .