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[Squidbreath]

*Sigh* No Blasto, Dill or Fleet and Flotilla?

[Tech_Chick]

1upD wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

kill_switch_423 wrote...

Some news, finally? Maybe we'll finally find out if it's going to be Shepard-centric or not. Maybe.

It's basically granted it's gonna depict First Contact War.

That was never officially announced. Am I the only one who really thinks the First Contact War was too short and involved too little of the Mass Effect universe to become an entire movie?

Nope. I'd like to see something more the LOTR.

[Ylhaym]

Terror_K wrote...
I also fail to see how repeating yourself instead of exploring new territory is "growing" exactly.

Based on how you said it, yes, i also fail to see how retelling is "growing".
But thats only true when we(the current ME fans) are the only one that will watch the movie.

Repeating yourself to a different audience, does that sound like  "growing" to you?

Terror_K wrote...
You are the one who is perfectly content with it being rebooted and retooled just to branch out. I want Mass Effect to stay Mass Effect, not be some non-fan's version of Mass Effect made for teenage douchebags who love explosions, shaky-cam, ****** and nonsensical cliches..

its actually fine  by me if the story  is about  FCW, Shepard's or a new story. But Shepard's story doesn't  automatically equates to being dumb  down, nonsensical, retooled, rebooted or whatever  word you want to use. I don't  think the executive  producers (Ray, Greg and Casey)  would let that happen. As i said before, branching out doesn't automatically mean it needs to be retooled and rebooted.  And really? Shaky-cam and explosion? So if the the movie has those small things it will automatically = rebooted/retooled/dumb down?

gamer_girl wrote...
I thank you for being more articulate in conveying my opinion than I was. 

Thank you, i actually have difficulty expressing myself in english. 

Modifié par Ylhaym, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:15 .

[Melra]

As long as it's not about the games, it'll be fine.

[stewie1974]

Ya know Mass Effect the game has it's fair share of "Explosions" and "Shakey Cam" anyway. Heck the opening sequence of ME2 has just been described here.

Nonsensical Cliches?

Um End Of ME1... giant spaceship that needs blowing up?...Hmmm ya know I havn't seen this "Cliche" or "Trope " in any other movie ever ..... Oh wait!

[stewie1974]

DP

Modifié par stewie1974, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:44 .

[Hekynn]

I hope they got the right cast for this movie if their live action or full CG movie like Avatar with the Voice actors from the games.

[Il Divo]

stewie1974 wrote...

Ya know Mass Effect the game has it's fair share of "Explosions" and "Shakey Cam" anyway. Heck the opening sequence of ME2 has just been described here.

Nonsensical Cliches?

Um End Of ME1... giant spaceship that needs blowing up?...Hmmm ya know I havn't seen this "Cliche" or "Trope " in any other movie ever ..... Oh wait!

My biggest Mass Effect cliche was during the ending: "It looks like Shepard's dead, everyone's sad,...but he's really alive!" It felt like something out of a Disney movie.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

I want Mass Effect to grow. I just don't want it to grow into something that is no longer Mass Effect.

I also fail to see how repeating yourself instead of exploring new territory is "growing" exactly.

Growing meaning MORE fans, MORE media outlets than just video games and comics, and MORE profit. The way you suggest it grow is by keeping the same tiny fan base seeing as you only want current fans to have an enjoyable experience.

That's rich. How exactly is wanting something fresh from Mass Effect for a movie "boring and uninnovative reptition" and how is rehashing the same story we've already seen before not? You've got it completely backwards. Again.

I was talking about the way you crtique the video games they make which you apparently love, but I'm now wondering if you actually do. The second they stray even a bit from the original gameplay you have a minor embolism or something. It may be a story we've seen before. How about stop thinking about yourself and think of a NEW AUDIENCE.

I do love the franchise for what it is. Why can't you seem to get that. Are you really as dense and backwards as you sound? Again, the whole reason I don't want it to become Mass Appeal instead of Mass Effect is because I love the franchise for WHAT IT IS. You are the one who is perfectly content with it being rebooted and retooled just to branch out. I want Mass Effect to stay Mass Effect, not be some non-fan's version of Mass Effect made for teenage douchebags who love explosions, shaky-cam, ****** and nonsensical cliches.

I'm going to respond to this using 2 great responses from other users. No point repeating what they've said in different words.

stewie1974 wrote...
Ya know Mass Effect the game has it's fair share of "Explosions" and "Shakey Cam" anyway. Heck the opening sequence to ME2 has just been described here.

Ylhaym wrote...
its actually fine  by me if the story  is about  FCW, Shepard's or a new
story. But Shepard's story doesn't  automatically equates to being dumb
 down, nonsensical, retooled, rebooted or whatever  word you want to
use. I don't  think the executive  producers (Ray, Greg and Casey)
 would let that happen. As i said before, branching out doesn't
automatically mean it needs to be retooled and rebooted.  And really?
Shaky-cam and explosion? So if the the movie has those small things it
will automatically = rebooted/retooled/dumb down?

PS: I appreciate your insult to my intelligence. A clear sign of maturity - insults. Thanks for trying to turn this into a flame war. >_>

[littlezack]

I think the problem boils down to believing that, just because a movie has to change some things and appeal to a large market than just the fanbase, that it must be bad. This is a snobby attitude that can best be defined by 'They Changed It, Now It Sucks'.

I'll grant that this is sometimes the case, maybe even more often than not, but unless you're just a really die-hard fanboy, there are plenty of examples of movies that took their source material, condensed it or streamlined it for the screen, and turned out a quality product in the end. This summer alone we've had movies like Thor and First class, movies that changed things or added things from the source and we're all the better for it.

Edit: Also, I find it odd that Terror listed the Fifth Element in his list of 'classic' Sci-Fi. That movie is pretty much the epitome of the sort of movie he seems to not want Mass Effect to be.

Modifié par littlezack, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

I want Mass Effect to grow. I just don't want it to grow into something that is no longer Mass Effect.

I also fail to see how repeating yourself instead of exploring new territory is "growing" exactly.

Growing meaning MORE fans, MORE media outlets than just video games and comics, and MORE profit. The way you suggest it grow is by keeping the same tiny fan base seeing as you only want current fans to have an enjoyable experience.

Again, you musn't have much confidence in the Mass Effect IP if you really think it needs to do the Shepard Trilogy again in order to gain more fans. And again, there's plenty of Mass Effect lore and mythos to work with to do a good movie that can appeal to a lot of people. And again, if these people haven't experienced Mass Effect before, why is the main trilogy necessary as the adaptation? I've posed this several times but nobody has given a decent answer, despite constant insistence that it's apparently the "only way" to make Mass Effect work on the big screen.

Secondly, I never said I only want existing fans to have an enjoyable experience. I said that they should come first and foremost and shouldn't be sacrificed just for the saking of growing the brand. There's likely millions of sci-fi fans out there who don't play many games who would love to see some Mass Effect on the big screen and would get into it, but that doesn't mean needing to rehash the games' story, and that also doesn't mean having to water things down and sell-out to appeal to the lowest common denominator for the sake of making a quick buck. Growing the brand isn't the issue, it's whether it's being grown for the right people. Too many things these days are sabotaged for the mere sake of getting as many in as possible and dumbed down and twisted into something they weren't because they have to appeal to the average American cinemagoer.

Again, I'd rather Mass Effect become like Firefly: a reasonable, but overall small cult following with only a few pieces of official media that remained strong throughout, than be a sell-out that retools itself for a younger, hipper audience and no longer resembles its original form.

I was talking about the way you crtique the video games they make which you apparently love, but I'm now wondering if you actually do. The second they stray even a bit from the original gameplay you have a minor embolism or something. It may be a story we've seen before. How about stop thinking about yourself and think of a NEW AUDIENCE.

Again, why should I care about a bunch of people who already get 95% of the world's entertainment catered towards them as it is and I feel are responsible for the degradation of it as a whole? As far as I'm concerned, they're basically "the enemy" here. They already have everything they could possibly want, but now they're also (possibly) getting one of the few things that I've managed to enjoy recently, and to get it it apparently has to be changed to appeal to them.

Also, BioWare were doing fine until ME2 came along. Aside from MDK2 which I found to be fairly average, all their other games have been excellent, IMO. ME2 was the first strike and then DA2 was the second (and don't dare tell me that it only "strayed a bit" from the original... it was completely different. A dumbed-down, shallow and rushed console hack'n'slash affair instead of the proper PC-centric RPG that was a return to BioWare's roots).

Other developers seem to do a better job at sticking to their roots with their sequels. The Assassin's Creed, Hitman, Halo, etc. series' all evolved their sequels without straying too far from the original formula. Even Obsidian has done a better job with two of BioWare's sequels than BioWare has done with their own lately, despite bugs. I'd probably have more confidence in the movie if BioWare hadn't already exhibited too many cases lately of, "it's too nerdy, cut it out and simplify!" and gone from "nerd developer" to "jock developer" to put it as succinctly as possible.

I'm going to respond to this using 2 great responses from other users. No point repeating what they've said in different words.

If you (and them) can't tell the difference between something that uses something now and then to effect and something that relies on it constantly and has little real substance, then that's not my fault. There's a difference between a movie that has explosions and shaky-cam and a movie that is explosions and shaky-cam.

PS: I appreciate your insult to my intelligence. A clear sign of maturity - insults. Thanks for trying to turn this into a flame war. >_>

Then stop making non-sensical comments that miss the point repeatedly and even get things utterly backwards. And don't pretend you haven't thrown some muck too, even if it was more veiled.

Modifié par Terror_K, 12 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .

[stewie1974]

"I don't want them to tell the same story we've already played out"

"They made sequels that didn't tell the exact same story we've already played out!!!!! and I hatttess them for it"

[Terror_K]

stewie1974 wrote...

"I don't want them to tell the same story we've already played out"

"They made sequels that didn't tell the exact same story we've already played out!!!!! and I hatttess them for it"

What are you even talking about?

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

Again, you musn't have much confidence in the Mass Effect IP if you really think it needs to do the Shepard Trilogy again in order to gain more fans.

When did I ever say it had to be the Shepard trilogy? Never. Did I say I thought it would be the best idea of the ones I've encountered? Yes. Maybe actually read things before posting a wall of text that actually doesn't fit the context because of your neglegence.

Again, I'd rather Mass Effect become like Firefly: a reasonable, but overall small cult following with only a few pieces of official media that remained strong throughout, than be a sell-out that retools itself for a younger, hipper audience and no longer resembles its original form.

Ahahahahaha! In what universe are cults ok? XD Also, what part about about making it Shepard centered automatically makes BioWare a "sell-out"? You have very flawed logic if you think that feeble connection is valid.

As far as I'm concerned, they're basically "the enemy" here. They already have everything they could possibly want, but now they're also (possibly) getting one of the few things that I've managed to enjoy recently, and to get it it apparently has to be changed to appeal to them.

Well that's a switch. Last I heard you said it had to change to appeal to you. Now you're saying using the same story is it being "changed to appeal to them". Well at least now we don't have to hear you whining about it being something-I've-seen-before.

ME2 was the first strike and then DA2 was the second (and don't dare tell me that it only "strayed a bit" from the original... it was completely different. A dumbed-down, shallow and rushed console hack'n'slash affair instead of the proper PC-centric RPG that was a return to BioWare's roots).

I have to ask because this is killing me. What exactly about Mass Effect 2 was bad? Everything I saw was an improvement. Plenty of reviewers agree with me. My only complaints were that I hated the mining game and the way there were no stats displayed for weapons. We're back to the same problem with you. If they try to make any changes, even if they're for the better, you have a freak out.

Other developers seem to do a better job at sticking to their roots with their sequels. The Assassin's Creed, Hitman, Halo, etc.

Ya you know why that is? Because they stick with the same bloody concept for every single game. Which translates to the once-you've-played-one-you've-played-them-all scenario. And that is NEVER good in my mind. Main reason I despise Call of Duty. And also why Grand Theft Auto is losing its appeal for me. If they changed it up a bit it never gets stale. (And I know you were thinking it, but no that doesn't apply to the movie for me because the majority of the sudience will be new people to the series. Not picky, patronizing fans)

If you (and them) can't tell the difference between something that uses something now and then to effect and something that relies on it constantly and has little real substance, then that's not my fault. There's a difference between a movie that has explosions and shaky-cam and a movie that is explosions and shaky-cam.

And if you can't spot the many cliches in Mass Effect, you are in dire need of a pair of spectacles.

Then stop making non-sensical comments that miss the point repeatedly and even get things utterly backwards. And don't pretend you haven't thrown some muck too, even if it was more veiled.

Haha I never did. I think you should reexamine the garbage you're saying and then tell who really is "non-sensical".

If you aren't going to be civil then consider this conversation finished. It'd be about bloody time anyways. I'm sure people are growing tired of trying to convince you anyways.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

"I don't want them to tell the same story we've already played out"

"They made sequels that didn't tell the exact same story we've already played out!!!!! and I hatttess them for it"

What are you even talking about?

They're pointing out the logical flaws in your statements while mocking your intelligence all in one. Hope that helps.

[Malanek]

I think the way the ME series has been written is completely unsuitable for the movie media. It would be a much better idea to let the script writers have more free reign and not involve shepard in any way.

I have to admit, I am naturally sceptical about movies developed off computer games. Bioware games do have a bit more story and world depth than some others so there is some potential, but I think they would need a large FX budget to do it justice.

Modifié par Malanek999, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:31 .

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

When did I ever say it had to be the Shepard trilogy? Never. Did I say I thought it would be the best idea of the ones I've encountered? Yes. Maybe actually read things before posting a wall of text that actually doesn't fit the context because of your neglegence.

Geez, that's especially rich coming from you of all posters. You're the one who keeps me going in circles because you can't even seem to comprehend what I'm saying and get everything wrong.

Ahahahahaha! In what universe are cults ok? XD Also, what part about about making it Shepard centered automatically makes BioWare a "sell-out"? You have very flawed logic if you think that feeble connection is valid.

Wow. Way to miss the point. Again.

Well that's a switch. Last I heard you said it had to change to appeal to you. Now you're saying using the same story is it being "changed to appeal to them". Well at least now we don't have to hear you whining about it being something-I've-seen-before.

My God, you are so incredibly dense! It's beyond frustrating and boggles the mind! How many times do I have to say that I want Mass Effect to STAY Mass Effect?! How many times do I have to say I want the IP to stay true to ITS ROOTS?!! How many times do I have to say I want it to STAY THE SAME and NOT CHANGE for the sake of appealing to a greater audience?!!

I have to ask because this is killing me. What exactly about Mass Effect 2 was bad? Everything I saw was an improvement. Plenty of reviewers agree with me. My only complaints were that I hated the mining game and the way there were no stats displayed for weapons. We're back to the same problem with you. If they try to make any changes, even if they're for the better, you have a freak out.

I'm not getting into that here, because I've already gone into this what must be hundreds of times in topics that are actually about that. I can't be bothered reinterating it in a topic that isn't even about ME2's quality. I'll just say that the game was dumbed down and oversimplified  too much and that the RPG elements were over-culled for simple TPS ones and too much customisation and options were cut out. Simply put: Too much TPS, not enough RPG. Not to mention a little too much of a Modern Hollywood approach in some areas and not enough of a classic sci-fi one. Some changes were for the better, yes, but overall it suffered too much of BioWare trying to make it "more accessible" and "streamlined" and it introduced far too many generic TPS elements and focused far too much on combat.

Ya you know why that is? Because they stick with the same bloody concept for every single game. Which translates to the once-you've-played-one-you've-played-them-all scenario. And that is NEVER good in my mind. Main reason I despise Call of Duty. And also why Grand Theft Auto is losing its appeal for me. If they changed it up a bit it never gets stale. (And I know you were thinking it, but no that doesn't apply to the movie for me because the majority of the sudience will be new people to the series. Not picky, patronizing fans)

I find that ironic considering Mass Effect 2's answer to most of the issues from ME1 was to replace the elements with overdone, trite and overly simple action-game/TPS elements that didn't bring anything much new to the table that hasn't been seen before, such as regenerating health, an "ammo" system, standard TPS combat, loading screens, etc. And half the time it didn't do them as well as the games it stole the concepts from either (e.g. it rips off Gears of War's combat pretty much, but doesn't offer as much freedom and versatility as Gears does).

And if you can't spot the many cliches in Mass Effect, you are in dire need of a pair of spectacles.

There's a difference between cliches and classic tropes. As a homage to classic 1970/1980's sci-fi Mass Effect is filled with the latter.

Haha I never did. I think you should reexamine the garbage you're saying and then tell who really is "non-sensical".

You say you never did in the very same sentence that you do.

gamer_girl wrote...

They're pointing out the logical flaws in your statements while mocking your intelligence all in one. Hope that helps. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

No, they're missing the point entirely. Much as you have. Constantly. They clearly haven't even read what I've said properly because they've not only got the wrong end of the stick, but the wrong stick entirely. The only person's intelligence they've mocked is their own (and possibly yours now too, since you have now once again exhibited a complete lack of comphrehension).

Modifié par Terror_K, 12 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

Geez, that's especially rich coming from you of all posters. You're the one who keeps me going in circles because you can't even seem to comprehend what I'm saying get everything wrong.

Whose problem do you honestly think that is. Number of people who understand you: 0, number of people who don't know what the hell you're talking about: ERROR CANNOT COMPUTE. NUMBER EXCEDES INFINITE.

Wow. Way to miss the point. Again.

It would help if you had one. XD

My God, you are so incredibly dense! It's beyond frustrating and boggles the mind! How many times do I have to say that I want Mass Effect to STAY Mass Effect?! How many times do I have to say I want the IP to stay true to ITS ROOTS?!! How many times do I have to say I want it to STAY THE SAME and NOT CHANGE for the sake of appealing to a greater audience?!!

Then quit using ambiguous statements for god's sake. No wonder this has gone on forever. *sigh*

There's a difference between cliches and classic tropes. As a homage to classic 1970/1980's sci-fi Mass Effect is filled with the latter.

CLICHES IN MASS EFFECT
-Shepard (hero) "dies" in ME2 and is later revived.
-Hero appears to have died at the end of ME1 but oh jokes they appear out of the dust.
-Hero is romantically involved with one of the crew
-Hero struggles with a tough dilemma (When does this NOT happen in ME)
-Hero must make sacrifices for "the good of mankind"
-Hero is a spectacle among its own kind (first human spectre)
-The many close calls in ME2 with the Reaper ships arming laser and jumping to light speed JUST in time
-Sympathy for the anti-hero (Saren)
-Hero rescues damsel in distress (Tali from Haestrom)
-Samara loyalty mission with Morinth (fraternizing with the enemy)
-Nihlus (If you can't see why he's a cliche I shame you)
-Supposed impossible situation. Going up against "impossible odds".
-Hero has to earn the trust of the authority (Council not believing in Reapers)

Anyways you get the picture. I'm bored of listing cliches.

You say you never did in the very same sentence that you do.

How exactly was my saying I wasn't non-sensical, and saying you have been make no sense to you. It was a pretty clear statement. Don't know how you failed to understand that. <_<

No, they're missing the point entirely. Much as you have. Constantly. They clearly haven't even read what I've said properly because they've not only got the wrong end of the stick, but the wrong stick entirely. The only person's intelligence they've mocked is their own (and possibly yours now too, since you have now once again exhibited a complete lack of comphrehension).

See first section of this comment...

[stewie1974]

No, I'm sure I have the right end of the stick.

You will be bitterly disapointed with the movie no matter what is done.

Be it

Plot ((it's the shepard story or it's not my fan fic or anything I have suggested.))
Casting ((I don't like that actor ))
Design Elements ((I don't like how they changed the appearance of that thing))

Really all you ARE saying, is you want it to live up to YOUR very precise and somewhat ... obbsessive compulsive excpectations which ...well, that is a hell of a lottery.

Because clearly you are not a person to let even "little " things slide....

but, that's your problem.... personally I think you are blessed if such trival matters are the only things that get you worked up.

[gamer_girl]

stewie1974 your comments are enjoyable. AND here's the kicker! They present logical responses to illogical statements in support of others with the same logical point of view. (Sorry for the bold, I'm trying to give motivation for a dictionary search. This word is foreign to some people...)

Modifié par gamer_girl, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:17 .

[Terror_K]

stewie1974 wrote...

No, I'm sure I have the right end of the stick.

You will be bitterly disapointed with the movie no matter what is done.

Be it

Plot ((it's the shepard story or it's not my fan fic or anything I have suggested.))
Casting ((I don't like that actor ))
Design Elements ((I don't like how they changed the appearance of that thing))

Really all you ARE saying, is you want it to live up to YOUR very precise and somewhat ... obbsessive compulsive excpectations which ...well, that is a hell of a lottery.

Because clearly you are not a person to let even "little " things slide....

but, that's your problem.... personally I think you are blessed if such trival matters are the only things that get you worked up.

I guess that's why I hate the Lords of the Rings films then.

Oh wait a minute... I don't! I think they're fantastic! <_<

gamer_girl wrote...

stewie1974 your comments are enjoyable. AND here's the kicker! They present logical responses to illogical statements in support of others with the same logical
point of view. (Sorry for the bold, I'm trying to give motivation for a
dictionary search. This word is foreign to some people...) [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

There's a difference between a statement being "illogical" and you just being too dense to deconstruct what I'm saying and work it out. Especially when it's not even a hard concept to grasp.

Modifié par Terror_K, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:28 .

[gamer_girl]

This just isn't working. Waaaaaaay too stuck in his own little world.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:32 .

[gamer_girl]

PS: I don't feel like talking to you anymore. You're grinding my gears further.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:33 .

[stewie1974]

But...but, but, but Lord Of The Rings just showed you the story you'd read before!, there is the whole of middle earth to set the story in , and they just had to make a movie based off the books!

[gamer_girl]

stewie1974 wrote...



But...but, but, but Lord Of The Rings just showed you the story you'd read before!, there is the whole of middle earth to set the story in , and they just had to make a movie based off the books!

I can already predict what will be said:
"But that was a step forward because we were seeing it in a visual form instead of imagining."

You know I find that future comment funny because most times what I imagine while reading is a bazillion times better than what I see on screen in films.