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[stewie1974]

yeah well we had the lord of the rings cartoon before the peter jackson movies, that was visual form, so it's not like the peter jackson films were the first to bring the books to life.

And it translates to mass effect if the argument that the "cartoon" didn't show us live action, cuz...well..ME isn't live action either.... it's still clear that it's a "toon"..a well done toon, but still a toon.

[Terror_K]

stewie1974 wrote...



But...but, but, but Lord Of The Rings just showed you the story you'd read before!, there is the whole of middle earth to set the story in , and they just had to make a movie based off the books!

Books are static and linear, not interactive and dynamic, like a game. Mass Effect is already an interactive movie that lets you experience it first hand in different ways. LotR also never laid down the concept that "there is no set canon for X Character, it's whatever you make it," didn't entirely reboot everything (despite some changes here and there) and was very much catered towards fans of the books above all else.

[gamer_girl]

WHO CALLED THAT!? XD So bloody predictable.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K I have to ask you something. When you read a book and then watch the adapted film, which did you enjoy more? The film or the book? And if you say book, did you still enjoy the adapted films?

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

Terror_K I have to ask you something. When you read a book and then watch the adapted film, which did you enjoy more? The film or the book? And if you say book, did you still enjoy the adapted films?

Funny, I thought you weren't talking with me anymore... <_<

Despite this, I'll answer: it varies, though most of the time I prefer the books. Most times a movie just gets too much wrong and deviates too much. The good movies know what to cut and only alter small factors and generally stick to the book for the most part. With LotR there were some things I preferred in the books, and some things I preferred in the films, but while I like both I still generally prefer to read the books. The Dune movie deviated a fair bit from the novel, but I still enjoyed it for the most part, with the exception of the end. I enjoyed Blade Runner immensely and it was adapted from a novel too. I think some of the James Bond films are actually examples of movies that can quite often be quite different from the novels, but still really good.

[Quole]

Has this film`s layout ever been elaborated on? In other words; do we know when/where it will take place? The characters? The plot?
Has there literally been NO information given out?

Modifié par Quole, 12 juillet 2011 - 03:59 .

[stewie1974]

ho ho ho ho I know many a tolkien fan that will disagree with it being a film catering to the fans....

Ah on to no set canon again....

Well that's the argument..... for the game.

You seem to believe that somehow a movie depicting the movie will be adopted as game canon?

I don't see the corelation.

It's like when playing

Hitman, Tomb Raider, Doom, Mario Brothers,Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Wing Commander, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy ....

I adopt the canon of those movies when playing the games. Yeah I see your point....((<- Is sarcastic , I don't see your point as I don't actually adopt the canon of the movies, I'm playing my game))

P.S all these movies abandoned the plots from the games they were derived from.
P.P.S all these movies also sucked.

Modifié par stewie1974, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:02 .

[Terror_K]

Quole wrote...

Has this film`s layout ever been elaborated on? In other words; do we know when/where it will take place? The characters? The plot?

Not officially, no. There was the rumour from IMDb Pro from an apparently reliable contributor of it being about humanity's discovery of the Prothean ruins and the Charon relay and then the First Contact War, but that's never officially been confirmed. I'm guessing that's what this panel will be addressing: the basics of exactly what this movie is about.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...
Funny, I thought you weren't talking with me anymore... <_<

Despite this, I'll answer: it varies, though most of the time I prefer the books. Most times a movie just gets too much wrong and deviates too much. The good movies know what to cut and only alter small factors and generally stick to the book for the most part. With LotR there were some things I preferred in the books, and some things I preferred in the films, but while I like both I still generally prefer to read the books. The Dune movie deviated a fair bit from the novel, but I still enjoyed it for the most part, with the exception of the end. I enjoyed Blade Runner immensely and it was adapted from a novel too. I think some of the James Bond films are actually examples of movies that can quite often be quite different from the novels, but still really good.

Nah I decided I should try to reason with you a bit more cause I don't know if you're beyond it entirely yet. So you actually say the books are better? And why is this? Most likely because of the depth of the story and the way what you imagined in your head was way more enjoyable than what you saw on the screen. Yet you didn't really say anything about your notorious line of it being "something I've already seen". Images are still images whether they're ones you dream up in your head or ones you see perhaps in a video game. Therefore the two situations are no different. And thus the only reason you can logically have for not approving of a Mass Effect movie based around Shepard is that it will be "canon" and not your Shepard. Correct?

Quole wrote...

Has this film`s layout ever been elaborated on? In other words; do we
know when/where it will take place? The characters? The plot?

No. Stay tuned for Comic Con.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:03 .

[Quole]

Terror_K wrote...

Quole wrote...

Has this film`s layout ever been elaborated on? In other words; do we know when/where it will take place? The characters? The plot?

Not officially, no. There was the rumour from IMDb Pro from an apparently reliable contributor of it being about humanity's discovery of the Prothean ruins and the Charon relay and then the First Contact War, but that's never officially been confirmed. I'm guessing that's what this panel will be addressing: the basics of exactly what this movie is about.

WELL ****

[gamer_girl]

Quole what are you hoping it'll be about?

[Quole]

gamer_girl wrote...

Quole what are you hoping it'll be about?

Honestly, I dont care. As long as it has NOTHING to do with Cerberus. Cerberus has become too central to the ME plot. Everything from the games to the novels that take place after ME1 have been centered around Cerberus for whatever reason. It has made ME far less interesting IMO.

Modifié par Quole, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[stewie1974]

Just have to say I'm not arguing if it should be about shepard or not, I'd like to see reaper invasion, hate to sit through a tuaran human war thinking... "You know, there are bigger cuttle fish to fry out there guys" Just seems that the scope would be narrowed and not as epic as the story told through the games and thusly be a little bit of a let down compared to the games.

A television series would be better to depict smaller scale stuff...

[Terror_K]

gamer_girl wrote...

So you actually say the books are better? And why is this? Most likely because of the depth of the story and the way what you miagined in your head was way more enjoyable than what you saw on the screen. Yet you didn't really say anything about your notorious line of it being "something I've already seen". Images are still images whether they're ones you dream up in your head or ones you see perhaps in a video game. Therefore the two situations are no different. And thus the only reason you can logically have for not approving of a Mass Effect movie based around Shepard is that it will be "canon" and not your Shepard. Correct?

Not entirely. Again, a book and movie are both static. Sure, in the former there's a degree of imagination involved, but it's still always the same story that plays out exactly the same way. Mass Effect is a dynamic game, all about choices and consequences. It allows you to fully interact with and be part of the universe. The story changes depending on what you do and you can help shape it, as little or as much as you want. It's a very personal experience.

To me, Mass Effect is already a movie in a sense, and an interactive one. By adapting the story into a non-interactive movie they're taking away the factor that makes it special and unique and dynamic and making it static and set. It's the equivalent of having a holodeck simulation in Star Trek and then just saying, "instead of keeping the program, let's just record one person going through it once and then watch it over and over." To me Mass Effect was a big step forward towards the concept of interactive cinema/movies, and adapting it directly to a static movie is a step backwards. If they were to present something new and different then that's fine: it hasn't been seen before, and can help add to the mythos. Retreading the old ground in this manner adds nothing really.

On top of that, if they are going to try and branch out and make this movie a big budget blockbuster for the masses, there's a good chance of it being warped and changed entirely to suit that audience. I like Mass Effect for what it is and because it isn't a generic modern action flick with little to no real substance. It's no guarrantee that that'll be the case, but there's a greater chance of that happening than not given how Hollywood works these days. And I honestly don't see why we'd need to use the same plot from the games to get decent numbers and be a success, especially for those who know little to nothing about Mass Effect. There's a chance here to break the mould and not just be a cheap cash-in and/or rehash, but provide something that both current fans and newcomers can enjoy.

[gamer_girl]

I think a war could be turned into a movie, just it wouldn't attract large enough numbers to pay for the production we want, and it just really isn't all the compelling as far as Mass Effect goes.

[HTTP 404]

not sold on the movie....is it anime? if it is....I hope Liara wears a school girl outfit.

[Quole]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think a war could be turned into a movie, just it wouldn't attract large enough numbers to pay for the production we want, and it just really isn't all the compelling as far as Mass Effect goes.

I considered this as well. Having it take place in a setting such as the First Contact War would have potential. However, it would need to be done properly so it would not be see as generic si-fi war movie.

[Terror_K]

HTTP 404 wrote...

not sold on the movie....is it anime? if it is....I hope Liara wears a school girl outfit.

There is going to be an anime movie too, but that's a separate production, a direct-to DVD release and we already know that whatever it is it's designed to tie into the existing mythos and not interfere with it/reboot it (much like the novels and comics do).

[Quole]

HTTP 404 wrote...

not sold on the movie....is it anime? if it is....I hope Liara wears a school girl outfit.

No.. for whatevver reason theres already an anime for ME thats been announced so i doubt the movie would also b- WAIT. WHAT IF THE MOVIE IS A PILOT EPISODE FOR THE ANIME SERIES? O **** NO

[Terror_K]

Quole wrote...

I considered this as well. Having it take place in a setting such as the First Contact War would have potential. However, it would need to be done properly so it would not be see as generic si-fi war movie.

A lot of people have dismissed it as being too uninteresting, but it all depends on execution. Babylon 5 explored its own FCW with the Mimbari extremely well, and several times at that. I think a lot of people are just looking at the concept at face value and not even thinking about details such as protagonists, antagonists and characters overall, and as if it's just a war flick with no central characters to focus on or anything. Almost any situation can be made interesting with the right characters and situations.

Sure, admittedly, it'll never be as epic and grand as the main trilogy's storyline and premise, but almost nothing you could do could be. Mass Effect as it is already has already gone to the upper extreme. That said, there's no reason we couldn't explore the same circumstances from another angle. A story set during the Reaper invasion in ME3 or something focusing on another group of individuals.

[HTTP 404]

Terror_K wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

not sold on the movie....is it anime? if it is....I hope Liara wears a school girl outfit.

There is going to be an anime movie too, but that's a separate production, a direct-to DVD release and we already know that whatever it is it's designed to tie into the existing mythos and not interfere with it/reboot it (much like the novels and comics do).

ah, either way I am still not sold on it.  If they get a good director on this...might be worth a look.  I love Casey but its a movie, not a video game.

[HTTP 404]

Terror_K wrote...

Quole wrote...

I considered this as well. Having it take place in a setting such as the First Contact War would have potential. However, it would need to be done properly so it would not be see as generic si-fi war movie.

A lot of people have dismissed it as being too uninteresting, but it all depends on execution. Babylon 5 explored its own FCW with the Mimbari extremely well, and several times at that. I think a lot of people are just looking at the concept at face value and not even thinking about details such as protagonists, antagonists and characters overall, and as if it's just a war flick with no central characters to focus on or anything. Almost any situation can be made interesting with the right characters and situations.

Sure, admittedly, it'll never be as epic and grand as the main trilogy's storyline and premise, but almost nothing you could do could be. Mass Effect as it is already has already gone to the upper extreme. That said, there's no reason we couldn't explore the same circumstances from another angle. A story set during the Reaper invasion in ME3 or something focusing on another group of individuals.

perhaps a group of mid 20 something year old individuals enjoying a birthday party in New York, then Reapers arrive with husks and the friends have to escape to safety but the main character has to find his girlfriend?  all this is filmed by a camcorder from his buddy.

wait a minute, thats cloverfield.

[gamer_girl]

Terror_K wrote...

Not entirely. Again, a book and movie are both static. Sure, in the former there's a degree of imagination involved, but it's still always the same story that plays out exactly the same way. Mass Effect is a dynamic game, all about choices and consequences. It allows you to fully interact with and be part of the universe. The story changes depending on what you do and you can help shape it, as little or as much as you want. It's a very personal experience.

But the fact still remains that they're both a step down. And you bringing up interactability again only reinforces that your problem with it is that it isn't your Shepard. If you looked at it like a story instead of your story, you would see how a book -> movie is no different from a game -> movie. Like I said before, even if the images are in your head, they're still images. So then how would that not be better for new fans? They would get to see one way of doing it in a less detailed form and then make all those decisions for themselves and more when they play the games. Just because it isn't good for you doesn't mean it isn't good in general. And of the ideas that have come up, Shepard's story by far has the most compelling plot.

On top of that, if they are going to try and branch out and make this movie a big budget blockbuster for the masses, there's a good chance of it being warped and changed entirely to suit that audience. I like Mass Effect for what it is and because it isn't a generic modern action flick with little to no real substance. It's no guarrantee that that'll be the case, but there's a greater chance of that happening than not given how Hollywood works these days. And I honestly don't see why we'd need to use the same plot from the games to get decent numbers and be a success, especially for those who know little to nothing about Mass Effect. There's a chance here to break the mould and not just be a cheap cash-in and/or rehash, but provide something that both current fans and newcomers can enjoy.

Like you said yourself it isn't a guarantee that it'll turn into something non-mass-effect, and with BioWare behind it I'm confident that it won't. Here's why Shepard is the best idea for the movies success wise: They don't have to spend big bucks on idea guys getting them to think of a story that is just as good if not better than the Shepard one (because that would only delay production, waste capital that could be spent on the quality of the movie, and wouldn't be a sure win with fans or newbies alike. Shepard is something they know works well as a story and is popular among fans and newcomers.), the other ideas presented would be incredibly difficult to pair a compelling story with. All the other suggestions I've seen involve war (which are very isolated, involve few species, and honestly how many good war epics are out there compared to the amount that are actually made? Very low percentage in my opinion - even less so sci fi war epics), and lastly when new fans see it, they will get to see the story in one way (with enhanced images, and a default story) and then once they get the games, they can make all of those decisions and more for themselves (like stated above), and will get an overall complete experience with both the movie and the games. Also for the most part, if you used any other story that's been suggested, it would be hard to grasp for new people. The Shepard story explained itself well without the need for extensive lore being told at the beginning. Like I said before, it isn't a necessity that it is about Shepard, I just think it's the best idea for current and new fans, BioWare themselves, and the production team.

If that doesn't convince you to even consider how well a Shepard based movie would work, I honestly don't know what will.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 12 juillet 2011 - 04:54 .

[Dazaster Dellus]

littlezack wrote...

I'd just like to highlight one thing.

 I'm just asking for one of the only IPs I'm still interested in to actually be catered towards me, a fan, and you expect me to want it to just bend and change for the sake of a group of overcatered for masses that get more than their fill every single day of every single year?!

And you call me selfish?

THIS = PRICELESS!!!

[Drone223]

I think the pro's and con's of a movie about Shepard are

Pro's
1. People will be able to see what made the Mass effect series great
2. It will introduce new people to the univesre and expand the fanbase
3. The plot will be easy to understand
4. Given the right director it may be the first game movie to be great
5. Plenty of drama and action in the game will make it well balanced
6. A CGI movie could allow for use of original voice talent

Con's
1. Most fans will not be satisfied with the depiction of Shepard (Paragon or renagade Shepard most likely male)
2. Some of Shepards choices may be highly predictable e.g. If had to romance someone it will 100% be Liara
3. The mian plot may have to be shortted just to cover at least two hours (Feros was cut out of genesis)
4. It could be miss read as canon
5. Should the movie be successfull ME 2 will be too big to make into a movie (recuitment missions and loyalty missions)
6. There are other areas in the ME universe that could make a good film e.g. rise of Anderson or TIM