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[Kyle]

Not to change the subject, but are we sure this is going to be a live action movie, or is it the anime that they announced earlier this year?

[Dazaster Dellus]

1 Anime and 1movie

[shepskisaac]

tdl84 wrote...

Not to change the subject, but are we sure this is going to be a live action movie, or is it the anime that they announced earlier this year?

Mark Protosevich writes the live action movie. Perhaps we will learn something more about the ME Anime as well, but only the live action movie panel's confirmed so far AFAIK.

[Domdeegrpgc]

Mark Protosevich...the writer of Thor and I Am Legend.

Wonderful.

[Getorex]

naledgeborn wrote...

No Shepard in Mass Effect movie. Why? Because I've played once or twice just the critical path. That's Eden Prime, Citadel, Feros, Therum, Noveria, Virmire, Illos, Citadel 2 and it can't be done in less than 10 hours unless you're skipping dialogue. That's 10 hours condensed into 2 hours. It would not do the game justice at all.

The flaw in your argument: you assume 1 2-hour movie.  Impossible to do the ME idea, even a side story, justice.  There is simply too much there to do a single movie.  You HAVE to go into it (the developers/producers/writers) with the intention of doing multiple movies.  

A standalone movie is impossible and shouldn't even be tried.  It would be a total failure.

You have to delve into the races, mass effect as a tech itself, into mass relays and the entire interconnected universe it allows, you have to delve into their origins, etc.  You couldn't even pull off a successful minor side story about a nobody in the setting well unless you intended more.

[Spinotech]

Although I would support and prefer a movie based on FCW, as long as the Mass Effect movie is good I do not care what the story is about.  I want to see a movie based on a videogame get good critic reviews.  However, here are my primary reasons for disliking or doubting the idea of the movie being based on the storyline from the games.

• I do not want to go through the story again in a movie format.  I believe this would be repetitive.
• It would not expand the universe or lore, both of which have high potential.
• Although the backgrond was explained well in ME1, I worry that audiece members unfamiliar with the series will have difficulty keeping track of the background and lore.
• Poor actor portrayals of the characters may tarnish the appeal of said characters.  If they ruin Wrex or Garrus....
• Too much will get cut-out to fit the movie into a 2 - 2.5 hour time frame.  If this is tough for the plotline of ME1, imagine how hard it will be for ME2.
• I believe the importance of the movie including Commander Shepard, the current iconic figure of Mass Effect, to those unfamiliar with the series is negligible.
• Other storylines could plausibly work as a movie like FCW or the conflict with the Batarians (Mindoir + Skyllian Blitz + Elysium + Torfan + any un-mentioned battles).

Modifié par Spinotech, 14 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[gamer_girl]

Spinotech wrote...
[*]I do not want to go through the story again in a movie format.  I believe this would be repetitive.

It wouldn't be repetitive for new people, and the movie would most likely make different choices than your game unless you were all default.

[*]It would not expand the universe or lore, both of which have high potential.

If it expanded, people new to the series would have a hard time following because it would be hard to explain without extensive lore. Plus it's a story the company knows will work well, whereas a whole new one would have to be made otherwise (one nobody knows how well it'd work)

[*]Although the backgrond was explained well in ME1, I worry that audiece members unfamiliar with the series will have difficulty keeping track of the background and lore.

This would be even more so if it wasn't about Shepard, as you said the background explained itself well.

[*]Poor actor portrayals of the characters may tarnish the appeal of said characters.  If they ruin Wrex or Garrus....

There's possibility to have crappy actors with new characters as well. That would be even worse in my mind because then you just have crappy characters in the movie instead of people knowing that those characters are better in the game.

[*]Too much will get cut-out to fit the movie into a 2 - 2.5 hour time frame.  If this is tough for the plotline of ME1, imagine how hard it will be for ME2.

That happens with any story. Think about how long it takes to read a 700 page book, yet those have been turned into wonderful film adaptations in the past.

[*]I believe the importance of the movie including Commander Shepard, the current iconic figure of Mass Effect, to those unfamiliar with the series is negligible.

Shepard is an icon in Mass Effect. He/she is the reason people realized the Reaper threat, and slso the first human spectre. If Shepard isn't an important character, I don't know who is. The two go hand in hand, and anyone else would be equally unimportant then.

[*]Other storylines could plausibly work as a movie like FCW or the conflict with the Batarians (Mindoir + Skyllian Blitz + Elysium + Torfan + any un-mentioned battles).

Those are very isolated and contain fewer species by themselves than the Shepard story has in it's entirety. Also wars usually make very poorly done films. Especially sci fi wars. And as said before, we know the Shepard story is good, we don't know how well a story based in the FCW or any other war would work.

That's just my opinion though.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 14 juillet 2011 - 01:18 .

[stewie1974]

First Contact war would not -expand- the Mass Effect universe. It would just focus on TWO races..and barely scratch the surface of the universe. The movie if following the main game would at least introduce us to ...more races and more locations.

I really see the argument of ....

"Mass Effect is such a rich and diverse universe full of wonder and marvels to show an audience, so lets focus in on the taurians and humans "

It just beggers belief.

[Spinotech]

[quote]gamer_girl wrote...

[quote]Spinotech wrote...
[*]I do not want to go through the story again in a movie format.  I believe this would be repetitive.[/quote]

]It wouldn't be repetitive for new people, and the movie would most likely make different choices than your game unless you were all default.                                                                                                                                           
Of course it wouldn't be repetitive to new people.  This point related more to myself, especially since I have 8 Shepards that have made different choices.

[quote]

[*]It would not expand the universe or lore, both of which have high potential.[/quote]

If it expanded, people new to the series would have a hard time following because it would be hard to explain without extensive lore. Plus it's a story the company knows will work well, whereas a whole new one would have to be made otherwise (one nobody knows how well it'd work)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In this case I am referring to FCW or the conflicts with the Batarians, both of which would be easier to explain lore-wise than Shepard's story.  

[quote]
[*]Although the backgrond was explained well in ME1, I worry that audiece members unfamiliar with the series will have difficulty keeping track of the background and lore.[/quote]

This would be even more so if it wasn't about Shepard, as you said the background explained itself well.                                                                                                                                                                                                      I disagree on your correlation between the background & lore and Shepard.  However, this issue is one of my more paranoid fears.

[quote]
[*]Poor actor portrayals of the characters may tarnish the appeal of said characters.  If they ruin Wrex or Garrus.... [/quote]

There's possibility to have crappy actors with new characters as well. That would be even worse in my mind because then you just have crappy characters in the movie instead of people knowing that those characters are better in the game.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             True.  I'll admit this is one of my minor worries.  Of course crappy new characters would be catastrophic given Bioware's record of having deeper characters than say a Halo game and since Casey Hudson is slated to be one of the producers.           

[quote]
[*]Too much will get cut-out to fit the movie into a 2 - 2.5 hour time frame.  If this is tough for the plotline of ME1, imagine how hard it will be for ME2.[/quote][quote]That happens with any story. Think about how long it takes to read a 700 page book, yet those have been turned into wonderful film adaptations in the past.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1 day.  Of course I would look like this upon finishing:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jokes aside, I felt that LOTR was well-adapted as well as some of the Harry Potter films.                                                                                                                                                                                                                      [quote][*]I believe the importance of the movie including Commander Shepard, the current iconic figure of Mass Effect, to those unfamiliar with the series is negligible.[/quote]

Shepard is an icon in Mass Effect. He/she is the reason people realized the Reaper threat, and slso the first human spectre. If Shepard isn't an important character, I don't know who is. The two go hand in hand, and anyone else would be equally unimportant then.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, Shepard is important; however that would mean little to those unfamiliar with the series.  Anyone can be important, its the scope of the event that would make the largest difference.  We'll have to agree to disagree.                                                                        
[quote]
[*]Other storylines could plausibly work as a movie like FCW or the conflict with the Batarians (Mindoir + Skyllian Blitz + Elysium + Torfan + any un-mentioned battles).[/quote]

Those are very isolated and contain fewer species by themselves than the Shepard story has in it's entirety. Also wars usually make very poorly done films. Especially sci fi wars. And as said before, we know the Shepard story is good, we don't know how well a story based in the FCW or any other war would work.

That's just my opinion though.
[/quote]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, war films are risky, but when done right they pay off in an epic fashion.  Of course I would be in favor of augmenting the "war" with deeper characters, politics, culture, and psychological and sociological elements.  Yes, the Shpard story is good, but I would prefer FCW.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's just my personal taste though.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *I commend you for responding in a well-thought and respectful manner.*

Modifié par Spinotech, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:24 .

[Spinotech]

 Grrrr...I screwed up the format.  

[gamer_girl]

Haha it's all good I got what you were saying. PS that picture grosses the snot outa me. XP

[Tessarae]

gamer_girl wrote...

I'll lay it out a bit better for you:

Shepard
-More aliens
More is not better by default. I'd prefer two fully fleshed out alien races over ten shallow ones.

-Plot that we KNOW works well
We know it works well for the game medium. My basic point is that I don't think it works well for a theatrical release, simply due to the time-limit.

-Less cost because the story is already made aside from screenplay
Cutting Shepard's story down to fit while still making sense, I think, would be equally as time consuming as creating a protagonist for the FCW setting.

-How interesting is a plot about a Hero/Heroine in a time of crisis? Many successful films about this.
FCW would also be a hero in a time of crisis really.

-Fans will get to experience the story in a different way, and new people will get to see this and then play as the hero and make their own decisions in an interactive gameplay experience. (full experience with films and games) And it's easy to understand for new people as it explains itself.
I'm trying to imagine how it would be if I'd never played the games and then went to see the movie. Keyword being 'trying' of course, because it's not easy. I'd be more inclined to play the games afterwards, provided it's a well-made movie, if I hadn't just seen all the major plot twists and instead, was told that "Hey, go play the games, it continues the story". I guess this is an individual preference, though, just as yours is, to see the same thing all over just with fancier CGI.
I have to disagree that Shepard's story compressed to two hours is easier to understand than FCW. Both have the same technologies. That's basic. Shepard's story includes things like the genophage, the geth, the Protheans and the Reapers, Cerberus and many more examples.

-Although it may not be as good as the games the plot is still interesting even in a limited time frame (see Harry Potter and LotR, great adaptations that are still enjoyable even for big fans of the series)
This is assuming that there will be more than one movie. There might, but only if the first is a success. I'd be very sad to see the legacy of ME tainted by a mediocre first part of what is obviously a trilogy, where you never get to see the rest. Kind of like Eragon and the Golden Compass movies.

FCW
-less aliens
Look above

-We know the plot of the event but not the plot of possible characters. AKA could very well be a flop.
Both have the risk of failing miserably. Just because we like the characters in the game, does not mean we will like them in the movie. Major reason being that a lot will have to be left out. We have  the option to get to know each character, their society and background, their personal struggles and their thoughts on what is happening, in the game and I think that is a huge reason why we like them.

-More cost because you have to pay for both ideas and a screenplay
Honestly, I don't know what the bottomline looks like financially in each scenario, so I can't really comment on this. I can speculate though, that the increased amount of settings and races compared to FCW might even it out. Also, do you think it is important to have the same VA's? If so, that would be a huge expense too.

-How interesting is a film about war? See the many war epics that failed.
Again, look above.

-Likely only huge fans of the series would enjoy this (even then hard to say because tons of fans are overcritical), and new people probably wouldn't follow it without extensive lore.
I really don't see why. Could you maybe explain this?

-Not compelling enough to do the series justice
I guess this is where the main difference of opinion lies. I think it wouldn't do the series justice to cram it into a two hour summer blockbuster, leaving out so many of the things that make it great, and you don't think any other story in the ME universe is worth telling compared to Shepard's story.

Modifié par Tessarae, 14 juillet 2011 - 06:47 .

[stewie1974]

Fanboys vs those who want the series to get a new audience.

Fanboys tend to want to expand on what they have not seen already.

Well there are 2 million of ya.... that's not enough and to be honest, yes you will see the movie regardless -anyway-

Id rather watch the shepard story again in the hope that it's epicness makes it something that secures

A sequel
A television series
More games.

Mass Effect FCW  -yawn- it's all those little sci fi movies that never got a sequel and are easily forgotten...

Shepard story is not to say "more is better"
It is to say "lets introduce these elements from the start"

All the council races and all the tech and history needs to be established from the start.... otherwise.. when you introduce them in the sequel.... people say.... OMFG highlander 2 made no sense! Why? because the concepts in highlander 2 were not present from the start...

So FCW as one movie....don't -ever- expect to expand beyond that box in any sequels ...because the audience will just see you as -making up stuff as you go along-

Modifié par stewie1974, 14 juillet 2011 - 07:10 .

[Ninjapino]

See, that's the main problem I see right there. You seem to have narrowed it to "people for a Shep film vs fan boys" while I think that people that want a Shep film ARE the fan boys who want to see the story they love done for the big screen. I still have not yet seen an explanation as to why showing the plot of ME1 is the best way to introduce the franchise to a new audience. With a good writer, there are a million ways you can introduce the MEU to an audience who has never seen it before. In fact, it would have to be condensed greatly to introduce even the main things the first game introduced.

Personally, I would agree that I'm not sure that FCW would be the best part, but there is one thing definitely that I see people benefiting from it. It's about humans first expanse into space and first contact with aliens. It will be the first time majority of the audience is introduced to them, too. Bring the audience along with the characters as they learn and explore the universe. That, in my opinion, is one of the things that made ME great to begin with.

[gamer_girl]

Tessarae wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I'll lay it out a bit better for you:

Shepard
-More aliens
More is not better by default. I'd prefer two fully fleshed out alien races over ten shallow ones.

-Plot that we KNOW works well
We know it works well for the game medium. My basic point is that I don't think it works well for a theatrical release, simply due to the time-limit.

-Less cost because the story is already made aside from screenplay
Cutting Shepard's story down to fit while still making sense, I think, would be equally as time consuming as creating a protagonist for the FCW setting.

-How interesting is a plot about a Hero/Heroine in a time of crisis? Many successful films about this.
FCW would also be a hero in a time of crisis really.

-Fans will get to experience the story in a different way, and new people will get to see this and then play as the hero and make their own decisions in an interactive gameplay experience. (full experience with films and games) And it's easy to understand for new people as it explains itself.
I'm trying to imagine how it would be if I'd never played the games and then went to see the movie. Keyword being 'trying' of course, because it's not easy. I'd be more inclined to play the games afterwards, provided it's a well-made movie, if I hadn't just seen all the major plot twists and instead, was told that "Hey, go play the games, it continues the story". I guess this is an individual preference, though, just as yours is, to see the same thing all over just with fancier CGI.
I have to disagree that Shepard's story compressed to two hours is easier to understand than FCW. Both have the same technologies. That's basic. Shepard's story includes things like the genophage, the geth, the Protheans and the Reapers, Cerberus and many more examples.

-Although it may not be as good as the games the plot is still interesting even in a limited time frame (see Harry Potter and LotR, great adaptations that are still enjoyable even for big fans of the series)
This is assuming that there will be more than one movie. There might, but only if the first is a success. I'd be very sad to see the legacy of ME tainted by a mediocre first part of what is obviously a trilogy, where you never get to see the rest. Kind of like Eragon and the Golden Compass movies.

FCW
-less aliens
Look above

-We know the plot of the event but not the plot of possible characters. AKA could very well be a flop.
Both have the risk of failing miserably. Just because we like the characters in the game, does not mean we will like them in the movie. Major reason being that a lot will have to be left out. We have  the option to get to know each character, their society and background, their personal struggles and their thoughts on what is happening, in the game and I think that is a huge reason why we like them.

-More cost because you have to pay for both ideas and a screenplay
Honestly, I don't know what the bottomline looks like financially in each scenario, so I can't really comment on this. I can speculate though, that the increased amount of settings and races compared to FCW might even it out. Also, do you think it is important to have the same VA's? If so, that would be a huge expense too.

-How interesting is a film about war? See the many war epics that failed.
Again, look above.

-Likely only huge fans of the series would enjoy this (even then hard to say because tons of fans are overcritical), and new people probably wouldn't follow it without extensive lore.
I really don't see why. Could you maybe explain this?

-Not compelling enough to do the series justice
I guess this is where the main difference of opinion lies. I think it wouldn't do the series justice to cram it into a two hour summer blockbuster, leaving out so many of the things that make it great, and you don't think any other story in the ME universe is worth telling compared to Shepard's story.

Pretty much this in a nutshell
                     V

stewie1974 wrote...

Fanboys vs those who want the series to get a new audience.

Fanboys tend to want to expand on what they have not seen already.

Well there are 2 million of ya.... that's not enough and to be honest, yes you will see the movie regardless -anyway-

Id rather watch the shepard story again in the hope that it's epicness makes it something that secures

A sequel
A television series
More games.

Mass Effect FCW  -yawn- it's all those little sci fi movies that never got a sequel and are easily forgotten...

Shepard story is not to say "more is better"
It is to say "lets introduce these elements from the start"

All
the council races and all the tech and history needs to be established
from the start.... otherwise.. when you introduce them in the sequel....
people say.... OMFG highlander 2 made no sense! Why? because the
concepts in highlander 2 were not present from the start...

So
FCW as one movie....don't -ever- expect to expand beyond that box in any
sequels ...because the audience will just see you as -making up stuff
as you go along-

Although I would more call it realists vs non-realists.

But you wanted me to explain that one point and I will. Only big fans would enjoy it because it just isn't a compelling enough story to attract a big audience. This would just look cliche and stupid to people just because it's such an overdone story to have a war between humans and a single alien species. Not only that but it's like the most pitiful war ever. To put it in human sense, it's like making a movie about the Cold War (only x-men would be able to pull that off and they did it brilliantly just because it was done in a very unique way)

I can see how a movie about the FCW COULD be a success and don't get me wrong, if they did it well I would applaud them, I just think it's more likely for a Shepard movie to be more widely praised by fans/critics/Joes alike, or in a more general sense, more likely to succeed.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 14 juillet 2011 - 09:13 .

[stewie1974]

Lets see you love mass effect for its....

Technology
Alien Cultures ((not just designs))
History

First things audience needs is a human protaganist
"Well we get that by making it humans versus Taurians"

Yes and we get to see lots of Turian culture too don't we? No not really, because most of the movie involves the humans getting ambushed by taurians and making their escape... and then protecting their other human colony, only at the end of the movie an unheard of council entering and saying... "we will negotiate peace for you" ...which frankly is anti climatic in every possible media.

That's the canon for the fcw...

Like I say any sequels spurrned from that story that try to -expand- or open the story will turn into
"Highlander 2" or "chronicles of riddick" .... fans of the FCW movie who were new to the ME franchise would say.... "Heck I wasn't expecting a space opera for a sequel"...which is what ME is in a nutshell.



I maintain the shepard story arc does a better job of showcasing the universe by making shepard work -with- alien cultures...

Shooting taurians don't really teach us much about them... working with them probablly does.

Modifié par stewie1974, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .

[stewie1974]

DP

Modifié par stewie1974, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .

[shepskisaac]

Created an extensive poll asking who should direct Mass Effect movie, hopefully it covers as much options as possible: social.bioware.com/3171011/polls/22164/ Vote!

[imadetheperfectshepard]

 imdb.com says its about the first human turian contact war.

[stewie1974]

Just looked at IMDB....
"

I wouldn't put to much credibility in the source untill he /she herself cites official sources.

Anyone can make a statement on IMBD, dosn't make it right.

Modifié par stewie1974, 15 juillet 2011 - 02:22 .

[shepskisaac]

stewie1974 wrote...

Just looked at IMDB....

This came from IMDB Pro, which requires paid subscription. Furthermore, all the changes to IMDB are reviewed. I follow IMDB (since I follow Angelina Jolie's career) and IMO, this is a very reliable information.

[stewie1974]

I'll await what comic con movie panel says its about. Not to doubt the credibility of a paid imdb.... but as there has been no -official- source cited , I'd say we don't know for sure. If it turns out you are right, then you can rest assured it will be the first and last mass effect movie.

[Had-to-say]

Anderson? http://www.joeyansah.com/showreels

[shepskisaac]

stewie1974 wrote...

If it turns out you are right, then you can rest assured it will be the first and last mass effect movie.

If it's a crap movie. The only thing that will make it or break it will be the quality, as with virtually every other movie out there. Having it be about First Contact War does not make it bad by default.

[gamer_girl]

IsaacShep wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

If it turns out you are right, then you can rest assured it will be the first and last mass effect movie.

If it's a crap movie. The only thing that will make it or break it will be the quality, as with virtually every other movie out there. Having it be about First Contact War does not make it bad by default.

That's true, it doesn't automatically make it bad, just it doesn't seem likely that something about such a mediocre time in the ME universe (although it may be the start of it for humans, like I said before it's comparably as exciting as the Cold War - for people not educated in history, look it up) would be executed that well.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:16 .