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Mass Effect movie panel San Diego Comic Con 2011
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Posté 16 juillet 2011 - 03:34
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From what was said in the linked article from legendary, it sounds as if they are going to try and make the movies about the games. "Game creator, Casey Hudson and screenwriter adapting the game to film, Mark Protosevich." Take that how you will but it sound as if it's going for a one to one translation, I personally feel that its a bad move, look at how much of M.E. is just talking to people. It's a character driven action game, it will be like the Harry Potter movies, feeling rushed with too much left out.
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Posté 16 juillet 2011 - 04:41
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The Harry Potter movies were good... 
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Posté 16 juillet 2011 - 05:34
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Before I start for some reason I can't sign into my normal account Professor Panda so i created this. -__-
Now that thats said the biggest complaints I see is that:
1. First Contact War doesn't have enough material for a big screen movie. While I kind of agree with this, there a solutions. You could simply come up with more material. But I had an interesting thought. You could show the conlfict from both sides. It will fill up more time and be much more interesting than repelling another alien invsion. The only problem I have with this type of movie is that it doesn't give the sense of scale or diversity that the games give and there isnt much combat. But could be good none the less.
2. Movie based on Shepard will be canon, and make my Shepard less significant. I could not disagree with this more. But this is more of an opinion so you can't really argue that.
3. There is too much material in the Mass Effect games to fit into the movie. You could cut some things down which would upset a lot of fans. It would bother me but not to the point of hating the movie because I understand its necessary. But why not split Mass Effect 1 into two movies? I personly think the rehash of the games would be awesome. There is just so much epic in those games I think it would outstanding to see it on the big screen. That is dangerous though.
I personanly think that they should just do something original. Not connected to the games. That way there is still potential for the epicness and drama and diveristy of the games to be entertaining and represents to newcomers what Mass Effect is all about. With out having to dissapoint fans about cutting out a lot of the material from the games. Or splitting Mass Effect 1 in two movies sounds like a good idea too IMO. But thats just my two cents
Now that thats said the biggest complaints I see is that:
1. First Contact War doesn't have enough material for a big screen movie. While I kind of agree with this, there a solutions. You could simply come up with more material. But I had an interesting thought. You could show the conlfict from both sides. It will fill up more time and be much more interesting than repelling another alien invsion. The only problem I have with this type of movie is that it doesn't give the sense of scale or diversity that the games give and there isnt much combat. But could be good none the less.
2. Movie based on Shepard will be canon, and make my Shepard less significant. I could not disagree with this more. But this is more of an opinion so you can't really argue that.
3. There is too much material in the Mass Effect games to fit into the movie. You could cut some things down which would upset a lot of fans. It would bother me but not to the point of hating the movie because I understand its necessary. But why not split Mass Effect 1 into two movies? I personly think the rehash of the games would be awesome. There is just so much epic in those games I think it would outstanding to see it on the big screen. That is dangerous though.
I personanly think that they should just do something original. Not connected to the games. That way there is still potential for the epicness and drama and diveristy of the games to be entertaining and represents to newcomers what Mass Effect is all about. With out having to dissapoint fans about cutting out a lot of the material from the games. Or splitting Mass Effect 1 in two movies sounds like a good idea too IMO. But thats just my two cents
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Posté 16 juillet 2011 - 09:38
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Disclaimer: I am not, and do not pretend to be, an expert.
Let me give you the long rundown. A movie audience isn't the same as the Gaming crowd. There won't be an elaborate scene where Tali explains us in-depth how their entire race went ****** up because they created the Geth, subsequently being forced to become space gypsies and then finally being restricted to their enviro-suits.
There won't be a babbling Asari doctor rattling on about protheans and what supposed impact they had because she'd most likely be shoe-horned into the Love interest (Male Shepard, yes, because 'shockhorror' lesbianz) part and need to focus more heavily on the relationship to her mother for the Benezia part to make a lick of sense.
Neither Wrex and Garrus will be going on about their lives as a Merc and Cop respectively without being a painfull stereotype, thereby missing most of the history and culture you've been clamoring about. The history of Ashley and Kaiden, and why the potential loss of either would be such a big impact? Pff.
In short? Movie audiences won't have a small booklet labled 'Codex' on hand, handily keeping track of everything you came across by talking to all those random people and giving general background information on the rich universe that you stumbled through as Shepard.
A ME1 story would be watered down, focus too much on the essential plot, probably even leave out places like Feros, Therum; and I'd wager a guess that Virmire and Noveria would be compressed into one planet, too.
I don't believe I need to tell you what kind of outcry that would cause.
Now take the First Contact war. We have the familiarity of Earth and Humanity. The discovery of the Charon Relay, the Prothean Cache and the subsequent expansion into space at large are easily explained in a bitesize voice over or bit of text a la Star Wars at the start of the movie.
From there you simply hop to Shanxi, maybe introduce General Williams, Anderson, Admiral Grissom or hell even Jack Harper as the main protagonist, shove in Desolas Arterius as the mad Turian General and you're good to go for an epic war drama. Maybe even Saren as Desolas' good concience, and the link to the council because of his spectre candicacy - all till his brother gets killed and he tragically sets down on the embittered road to ME1.
And this, more than anything, will set up the perfect foundation if a movie representation of the Mass Effect games does actually ever get made. You have a background for the countless hints back to the FCW that ME1 gave, Ashley's family drama explained, a possible Cerberus tie-in, reason to the Galaxy's wearyness of humanity and most importantly an explanation of why Saren hates humanity so much.
Bonus being that you don't ****** off the game fans by simply nullifying the stories they've created for themselves.
That's why I see the First Contact War would be a sensible stepping stone into the ME-verse, and I actually hope they do set it as the movie plot and destroy whatever that-last-comic-that-shall-not-be-named-as-I-cannot-remember-nor-want-to tried to do.
And if that doesn't convince you, then just try this. The general (paying) moviecrowd? They want Explosions, soapy drama or/and terrible humor. Stuff that history and culture into an extended DVD or something.
Cynical? Maybe, but you'll find it hard to disapprove that claim. And I have every right to be weary of game-to-movie adaptations, given its.. colored past.
Most of the arguments that you're shooting off here can be made for the Shepard Story aswell. And from a movie point of view, I'd say the story the game has given us thus far will simply be too hard and too much to stuff into one 2h long feature alone.stewie1974 wrote...
Lets see you love mass effect for its....
Technology
Alien Cultures ((not just designs))
History
First things audience needs is a human protaganist
"Well we get that by making it humans versus Turians"
Yes and we get to see lots of Turian culture too don't we? No not really, because most of the movie involves the humans getting ambushed by taurians and making their escape... and then protecting their other human colony, only at the end of the movie an unheard of council entering and saying... "we will negotiate peace for you" ...which frankly is anti climatic in every possible media.
That's the canon for the fcw...
Like I say any sequels spurrned from that story that try to -expand- or open the story will turn into
"Highlander 2" or "chronicles of riddick" .... fans of the FCW movie who were new to the ME franchise would say.... "Heck I wasn't expecting a space opera for a sequel"...which is what ME is in a nutshell.
I maintain the shepard story arc does a better job of showcasing the universe by making shepard work -with- alien cultures...
Shooting Turians don't really teach us much about them... working with them probablly does.
Let me give you the long rundown. A movie audience isn't the same as the Gaming crowd. There won't be an elaborate scene where Tali explains us in-depth how their entire race went ****** up because they created the Geth, subsequently being forced to become space gypsies and then finally being restricted to their enviro-suits.
There won't be a babbling Asari doctor rattling on about protheans and what supposed impact they had because she'd most likely be shoe-horned into the Love interest (Male Shepard, yes, because 'shockhorror' lesbianz) part and need to focus more heavily on the relationship to her mother for the Benezia part to make a lick of sense.
Neither Wrex and Garrus will be going on about their lives as a Merc and Cop respectively without being a painfull stereotype, thereby missing most of the history and culture you've been clamoring about. The history of Ashley and Kaiden, and why the potential loss of either would be such a big impact? Pff.
In short? Movie audiences won't have a small booklet labled 'Codex' on hand, handily keeping track of everything you came across by talking to all those random people and giving general background information on the rich universe that you stumbled through as Shepard.
A ME1 story would be watered down, focus too much on the essential plot, probably even leave out places like Feros, Therum; and I'd wager a guess that Virmire and Noveria would be compressed into one planet, too.
I don't believe I need to tell you what kind of outcry that would cause.
Now take the First Contact war. We have the familiarity of Earth and Humanity. The discovery of the Charon Relay, the Prothean Cache and the subsequent expansion into space at large are easily explained in a bitesize voice over or bit of text a la Star Wars at the start of the movie.
From there you simply hop to Shanxi, maybe introduce General Williams, Anderson, Admiral Grissom or hell even Jack Harper as the main protagonist, shove in Desolas Arterius as the mad Turian General and you're good to go for an epic war drama. Maybe even Saren as Desolas' good concience, and the link to the council because of his spectre candicacy - all till his brother gets killed and he tragically sets down on the embittered road to ME1.
And this, more than anything, will set up the perfect foundation if a movie representation of the Mass Effect games does actually ever get made. You have a background for the countless hints back to the FCW that ME1 gave, Ashley's family drama explained, a possible Cerberus tie-in, reason to the Galaxy's wearyness of humanity and most importantly an explanation of why Saren hates humanity so much.
Bonus being that you don't ****** off the game fans by simply nullifying the stories they've created for themselves.
That's why I see the First Contact War would be a sensible stepping stone into the ME-verse, and I actually hope they do set it as the movie plot and destroy whatever that-last-comic-that-shall-not-be-named-as-I-cannot-remember-nor-want-to tried to do.
And if that doesn't convince you, then just try this. The general (paying) moviecrowd? They want Explosions, soapy drama or/and terrible humor. Stuff that history and culture into an extended DVD or something.
Cynical? Maybe, but you'll find it hard to disapprove that claim. And I have every right to be weary of game-to-movie adaptations, given its.. colored past.
I'll applaud them if they wish to make that leap of faith, and it might fit with the 'SEQUEL, SEQUEL, NONO TRILOGY' hype that's been going for a while, but just tossing out one now with 'potential opening' for a sequel might be the best route.3. There is too much material in the Mass Effect games to fit into the
movie. You could cut some things down which would upset a lot of fans.
It would bother me but not to the point of hating the movie because I
understand its necessary. But why not split Mass Effect 1 into two
movies? I personly think the rehash of the games would be awesome. There
is just so much epic in those games I think it would outstanding to see
it on the big screen. That is dangerous though.
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Posté 16 juillet 2011 - 07:11
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when I say "rich and textured universe" it takes no more than a -revel- early on in the movie ((example Star Wars mos Eisley cantinia)) That simple mechanic in the story allowed you to say ...
"Oh this universe has more than just those two human forces fighting each other" the first time you see Aliens in star wars, you see a whole host of them....
Again limiting the movie to a minor conflict will limit the scope, even if you introduce the council at the end, by that point its too late, and people will hardly remmeber that as the signifigant factor.
Movies can successfully portray a diverse universe with a lot of history beyond codex , they don't have to go in depth, again Star Wars Episode IV expanded the star wars universe just by obi wan's little speech in his hovel.
I'm saying you can be epic and stand up as a well done movie,
It is possible to -adapt- the events of the first game, not -all- of the events, and it in no way makes your shep less signifigant ,than any other movie adaption that for reasons of pacing and timing is changed.
There is no Tom Bombadil in the lord of the rings movies.... does this mean -tom bombadil- no longer exists in Lord Of The Rings Canon?
A less signifigant shepard?
to who? You? doubtful
My shepard playthroughs are probablly less signifigant than your own shepard playthroughs to you yourself. Why should another directors vision be any different?
If you want things your way, that's what the game is for.
As for establishing a canon..... again, I never view movies and the books and movie adaptations as having the same canon.
Find a picture , a single frame that captures "Mass Effect"
I bet it is not a picture featuring two races.... It's more likely to be a line up of most of them.
"Oh this universe has more than just those two human forces fighting each other" the first time you see Aliens in star wars, you see a whole host of them....
Again limiting the movie to a minor conflict will limit the scope, even if you introduce the council at the end, by that point its too late, and people will hardly remmeber that as the signifigant factor.
Movies can successfully portray a diverse universe with a lot of history beyond codex , they don't have to go in depth, again Star Wars Episode IV expanded the star wars universe just by obi wan's little speech in his hovel.
I'm saying you can be epic and stand up as a well done movie,
It is possible to -adapt- the events of the first game, not -all- of the events, and it in no way makes your shep less signifigant ,than any other movie adaption that for reasons of pacing and timing is changed.
There is no Tom Bombadil in the lord of the rings movies.... does this mean -tom bombadil- no longer exists in Lord Of The Rings Canon?
A less signifigant shepard?
to who? You? doubtful
My shepard playthroughs are probablly less signifigant than your own shepard playthroughs to you yourself. Why should another directors vision be any different?
If you want things your way, that's what the game is for.
As for establishing a canon..... again, I never view movies and the books and movie adaptations as having the same canon.
Find a picture , a single frame that captures "Mass Effect"
I bet it is not a picture featuring two races.... It's more likely to be a line up of most of them.
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#407
Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 03:30
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I think the movie needs to address this. This is not Star Wars!!!!
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 03:46
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There is nothing interesting in the first contact war, a stupid conflict, caused by humans being stupid and Turians being agressive.
That period in Mass Effect timeline lacks anything that represents the univers, no human biotics (no biotics at all actualy), no alien worlds, one enemy alien race.
That period in Mass Effect timeline lacks anything that represents the univers, no human biotics (no biotics at all actualy), no alien worlds, one enemy alien race.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 04:02
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If aliens arrive I will find it very interesting watching our species try to gather itself together. Yet I do agree to see a place like the Citadel for the first time will have no equal. It is my hope that we do get to see everything eventually, but I think the audience will need the backstory.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 06:41
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Had-to-say wrote...
I think the movie needs to address this. This is not Star Wars!!!!
Well, it does credit that franchise in one of its key inspirations (as well as Farscape, Star Trek, and a couple of other famous sci-fi series)... Also added that it under a Space Opera genre. Not saying it IS Star Wars, but I'm just throwing that out there.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 04:03
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I read somewhere (rumour) that this movie is going to be based on humans finding the ailen artifact on Mars and from there we learn about FLT and this then leads to us meeting the first alien race (Turians), so basically about the First Contact War (approx. 50 years before the first game)...anyhow I was wondering at what time the movie panel is going to actually talk about the movies under their belt and the Q&A session. Hopefully find out more from that.
Then again Mass Effect is now a franchise, whos to say this will be the only ME movie, perhaps a TV series in the future?
Then again Mass Effect is now a franchise, whos to say this will be the only ME movie, perhaps a TV series in the future?
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 08:08
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God yes! I would love a animated series.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 08:15
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redneckwonderland wrote...
God yes! I would love a animated series.
FUNimation Entertainment and BioWare have already announced that they are collaborating on a Mass Effect animated something or other. I cannot remember if it will be a TV series, a movie, or if they've even decided yet.
Edit: Googled. Animated movie. http://www.funimatio...ags/mass-effect
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I think a FCW movie has the potential to further seperate Mass Effect from the likes of Star Wars and Star Trek by doing that which they have never done. To really deal with exopolitics in a movie to rival the great movie "Contact". I think humanity will be defined as pre-contact and after contact for all future generations. A.D./ B.C. = P.C./ A.C.
What happens to Earth after the discovery of the Prothean Ruins in 2148? The unification of governments must have been difficult.
Does the government hide this truth from humanity? Who gets to negotiate on the behalf of mankind? What does the average human think of all of this? Who herds the stampede? I would love to be alive in these times!
I don't want a shoot the aliens movie. Battle L.A.i s ****. Skyline is ****. They forgot about the most important thing to the average adult, the exopolitics.
What happens to Earth after the discovery of the Prothean Ruins in 2148? The unification of governments must have been difficult.
Does the government hide this truth from humanity? Who gets to negotiate on the behalf of mankind? What does the average human think of all of this? Who herds the stampede? I would love to be alive in these times!
I don't want a shoot the aliens movie. Battle L.A.i s ****. Skyline is ****. They forgot about the most important thing to the average adult, the exopolitics.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 08:45
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I'm just hoping that they make the film to please the fans as well, not just some action flick to get them the most ammount of money
I hope you're joking...
M4NST33L wrote...
who do ya thinks gonna play shep...
I hope you're joking...
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 08:51
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BiO_MaN wrote...
I'm just hoping that they make the film to please the fans as well, not just some action flick to get them the most ammount of moneyM4NST33L wrote...
who do ya thinks gonna play shep...
I hope you're joking...
lol no sir im new here wanna fill me in
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M4NST33L wrote...
BiO_MaN wrote...
I'm just hoping that they make the film to please the fans as well, not just some action flick to get them the most ammount of moneyM4NST33L wrote...
who do ya thinks gonna play shep...
I hope you're joking...
lol no sir im new here wanna fill me in
Well there is speculation that the film will be based on The First Contact War. The forum is kinda divided on whether the movie should be based on the game.
I hope that they either decide to tell the FCW story, or a story that doesn't revolve around Shepard. I love Shepard's story being told the way that it is. I don't want a competing version of that story to exist.
Your take?
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 09:17
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Hmm.. thats interesting. What scares me with that is i bet 90% of ME players dont pay attention that deep into the story. Most of the people who come out for the movie are gonna be casual players who see the commercial are going to expect to see shep kicking ass.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 09:21
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Had-to-say wrote...
M4NST33L wrote...
BiO_MaN wrote...
I'm just hoping that they make the film to please the fans as well, not just some action flick to get them the most ammount of moneyM4NST33L wrote...
who do ya thinks gonna play shep...
I hope you're joking...
lol no sir im new here wanna fill me in
Well there is speculation that the film will be based on The First Contact War. The forum is kinda divided on whether the movie should be based on the game.
I hope that they either decide to tell the FCW story, or a story that doesn't revolve around Shepard. I love Shepard's story being told the way that it is. I don't want a competing version of that story to exist.
Your take?
My take it that people who play these games are understandable emotionally invested in "their" Shep. Understandable. However many seem not to grasp that Bioware didn't actually give you much choice, you get throughout the course of the game minor variations on the plot and cannot majorly affect the outcome. This is a nice trick on the part of Bioware of creating the illusion of choice.
Ergo, a film about the Shepard trilogy would not differ in any major way to any of your playthoughs. Yes you can play Paragon, or Renegade ( on a side note you seriously can't expect the movie going public to engage with renegade shep can you? Well some bits like kicking the crap out of Kelham, but then does beating a crook make you a bad guy?). You can kill the Rachni queen and different people can die on the SM but what is really different about your playthroughs?
For ME to be a sucessful movie franchise, it needs more than just the ME fanbase to survive. It needs a strong story which already exists. FCW sounds like another run of the mill sci-fi story to me, but each to their own.
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M4NST33L wrote...
Hmm.. thats interesting. What scares me with that is i bet 90% of ME players dont pay attention that deep into the story. Most of the people who come out for the movie are gonna be casual players who see the commercial are going to expect to see shep kicking ass.
You are under estimating the audience and the fans. Shep kicking ass is in every action movie. We need to celebrate the distinction Mass Effect has and market it well. How familiar are you with exopolitics?
X-files lasted 9 years talking about exopolitics.
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Posté 21 juillet 2011 - 10:30
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I agree that a film about the First Contact War or possibly based around a character in between the first and second games ((Which doesn't have anything to do with politics or the like)), might be the way to go with this. Makes it easier to not mess with each fan's 'cannon' Shepard. There have been some concerns that a FCW movie would be anti-climatic, but I think it could be quite the opposite. ME1 had more of a hopeful sort of tone to it then ME2 did and by ending it with the Council stepping in to stop this major war, it could leave it on that note. Plus, why does it have to be so BIG scope? Why not just have it about an average soldier on Shanxi, or a single crew of a frigate or something, and just their reactions and struggles through and because of the war.
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Posté 22 juillet 2011 - 01:57
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That's the most convincing argument I've heard on this topic. If the First Contact War is just like it is described as in ME1's codex, it would make a terrible movie. Something more like you described, as we've gleaned from further information in the Mass Effect universe, actually sounds quite great. It would be a good starting point into Mass Effect. How does ME1's intro start? With the Normandy, a human-Turian collaboration, showing a disgruntled pilot outlining his distrust of a high-ranking Turian. The first alien you talk to is Nihlus. At first I was worried about the lack of the other species appearing in a First Contact War movie, but they would appear in the form of the Council at the very least. Like you said, the only race we need to be introduced to as a 'stepping stone' to ME1 are the turians. The rest are introduced fairly well in the game when you visit the Citadel.Now take the First Contact war. We have the familiarity of Earth and Humanity. The discovery of the Charon Relay, the Prothean Cache and the subsequent expansion into space at large are easily explained in a bitesize voice over or bit of text a la Star Wars at the start of the movie.
From there you simply hop to Shanxi, maybe introduce General Williams, Anderson, Admiral Grissom or hell even Jack Harper as the main protagonist, shove in Desolas Arterius as the mad Turian General and you're good to go for an epic war drama. Maybe even Saren as Desolas' good concience, and the link to the council because of his spectre candicacy - all till his brother gets killed and he tragically sets down on the embittered road to ME1.
And this, more than anything, will set up the perfect foundation if a movie representation of the Mass Effect games does actually ever get made. You have a background for the countless hints back to the FCW that ME1 gave, Ashley's family drama explained, a possible Cerberus tie-in, reason to the Galaxy's wearyness of humanity and most importantly an explanation of why Saren hates humanity so much.
Bonus being that you don't ****** off the game fans by simply nullifying the stories they've created for themselves.
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Posté 22 juillet 2011 - 03:06
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When is the movie panel supposed to be, man? I needz to know about this movie.
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Posté 22 juillet 2011 - 03:25
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I hope everyone here doesn't psych each other up too much for this, we don't know the progress of this movie at all, and I don't think they're going to reveal a whole lot during this panel.
The most I would count on is announcing the director, and Del Toro is going to be on that panel himself, so...
One can only hope.
The most I would count on is announcing the director, and Del Toro is going to be on that panel himself, so...
One can only hope.
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